Coronavirus: Evolution vs ID

Another deadly virus is just around the corner: coronavirus, as predicted by evolution…

Since it was predicted, what had been done to prevent it?

We have all sorts of experts visiting TSZ, such as immunologists, population geneticists, biochemists, and the like…

What have they done in this field?  How about ID?

What are you doing personally to protect yourself, and your family,  from another possible epidemic?

I have lived through SARS, wearing full protective gear for many days. My wife was doing initial screening at the hospital entrance, while few months pregnant…

Is same, or worse, yet to come?

255 thoughts on “Coronavirus: Evolution vs ID

  1. Corneel: Are you referring to his business organization as an “empire”? Didn’t he inherit that from his daddy?

    No. The well known Trump buildings all over the US have been built by him (Donald), not his dad… to not speak of The Apprentice, etc. And of course, you and I and most people also inherited something from their parents.

    More importantly, DJT beat both the republican and democratic political machines. And with half the money spent by the Crooked. This is simply amazing.

    Not only that, but its unheard of a private citizen to become president of a major world power. Think about it.

    This is not what dumb people do, Kool Aid drinker.

  2. Nonlin.org: Synthetic organisms made by whom?

    By anyone

    You know full well “evolution” without “abiogenesis” IS creation.

    If Craig Venter made a synthetic organism in his lab, then allowed it to continue replicating in a LTEE, his input would be only at the start, so no, I know no such thing. Evolution is separate from origin. Like comparative linguistics.

  3. Nonlin.org: And of course, you and I and most people also inherited something from their parents.

    It was 14,000 euros. I bought a new car. I feel Donald Trumps starting position might have been a *tiny* bit better.

    Nonlin.org: More importantly, DJT beat both the republican and democratic political machines. And with half the money spent by the Crooked. This is simply amazing.

    What amazes me is how he managed to stay in power. During the elections, many republicans made no secret of the fact that they loathed the guy, and he is definitely not the person to build bridges. I am still puzzled why they kept unanimously supporting him through all his transparant lies and stupid blunders. I strongly doubt that this had anything to do with his intellectual capabilities though.

  4. Allan Miller: If Craig Venter made a synthetic organism in his lab, then allowed it to continue replicating in a LTEE, his input would be only at the start, so no, I know no such thing. Evolution is separate from origin.

    Nope. If Craig Venter made something, he would give that something the properties he desired. And he would be the creator of that something in perpetuity.

    There is no LTEE. E. coli in – E. coli out. See? No “evolution” of any kind.

  5. Nonlin.org: Nope. If Craig Venter made something, he would give that something the properties he desired. And he would be the creator of that something in perpetuity.

    So whichever way it went, he’d have chosen that path? Nonsense.

    There is no LTEE. E. coli in – E. coli out. See? No “evolution” of any kind.

    Evolution does not require that we name a new species before it can be declared to have happened.

  6. Corneel: It was 14,000 euros. I bought a new car. I feel Donald Trumps starting position might have been a *tiny* bit better.

    Don’t be a liar by omission. I bet you also inherited an education, culture, family, etc. Much more important than 14k.

    Corneel: What amazes me is how he managed to stay in power. During the elections, many republicans made no secret of the fact that they loathed the guy, and he is definitely not the person to build bridges. I am still puzzled why they kept unanimously supporting him through all his transparant lies and stupid blunders. I strongly doubt that this had anything to do with his intellectual capabilities though.

    You not understanding the phenomenon is much more telling of your subpar capabilities. Then again, as a subject of the EUSSR, your deficiencies are understandable if not excusable.

  7. Calling Trump stupid is a bit like calling JK Rowing a bad writer.

    Perhaps the words don’t mean what you think they mean.

    Or perhaps your meaning is irrelevant.

    By irrelevant, I mean how smart does he have to be to run against a guy who doesn’t know what state he’s in and frequently remembers things that never happened? And those stories are printed by a friendly press.

    Or against a gazillionaire who says poor people have too much money and would only waste more on booze and crack? There’s a book full of these quotes, published by his friends,

    Or a guy who admires Castro, when he really needs to win Florida?

    I’m not making moral judgements here. Just wondering what the hell happened to the democrats. I’m old enough to remember Stevenson, Humphrey, Lieberman, Nunn, JFK, even Johnson and Carter.

  8. Nonlin.org:
    [Assertion 1]
    Denial 1.
    [Assertion 2]
    Denial 2.

    Of course, you can insist that abiogenesis and evolution are the same thing if you like, just as you can insist that evolution and genetics have nothing to do with each other, Trump is a genius or making a pun out of someone’s name is the acme of political commentary. You’re doing just great!

  9. Nonlin.org: Don’t be a liar by omission. I bet you also inherited an education, culture, family, etc. Much more important than 14k.

    Much more important indeed. But not a very solid foundation for building an “empire”.

    Nonlin.org: You not understanding the phenomenon is much more telling of your subpar capabilities.

    You not explaining the phenomenon while feigning understanding is very telling of your subpar skills at bluffing.

    Nonlin.org: Then again, as a subject of the EUSSR, your deficiencies are understandable if not excusable.

    You really need to work on your sense of humour, Nonlin.

  10. petrushka: I’m not making moral judgements here. Just wondering what the hell happened to the democrats. I’m old enough to remember Stevenson, Humphrey, Lieberman, Nunn, JFK, even Johnson and Carter.

    I always wondered how a country that size could get by with effectively only two political parties. No wonder every single issue becomes polarized, without any hope of ever reaching compromise.

  11. Corneel: I always wondered how a country that size could get by with effectively only two political parties. No wonder every single issue becomes polarized, without any hope of ever reaching compromise.

    Wealth softens the pain.

  12. Seriously, we have lots of parties, but just 1.5 at the national. We have semi-autonomous states. And cities that can tell the federal police to fuck off.

    It’s — god help us — like having diversity. Political diversity.

    We can’t get marijuana reform at the national level, so state and local governments ignore federal law. Happens on lots of issues. People can move freely to places where they like the politics.

    We had a failed version, like EU. Ditched it and started from scratch. We were 60 years behind Britain in eliminating slavery, but we got there.

    Assuming Europe is a super nation (shared royal families and what not) they have had a lot more civil wars. Still can’t figure out how to balance federalism with local autonomy, or even figure out why both are needed.

  13. Corneel: I always wondered how a country that size could get by with effectively only two political parties. No wonder every single issue becomes polarized, without any hope of ever reaching compromise.

    I live somewhere there’s only one, effectively. And the People’s manipulated hatred of socialism sees them celebrate efforts to keep it that way.

  14. petrushka: It’s — god help us — like having diversity. Political diversity.

    Well, it was bound to be there but, I assure you, quite invisible from outside. Why doesn’t it manifest at the national level?

    petrushka: Assuming Europe is a super nation (shared royal families and what not) they have had a lot more civil wars.

    We have had a LOT of wars, but most thankfully in the distant past. We got a Nobel prize for not beating each other up any more, you know.

    petrushka: Still can’t figure out how to balance federalism with local autonomy, or even figure out why both are needed.

    There is too much history here and, with the memory of WW2 withering away, nationalism has become fashionable again lately. I am not quite ready to give up on European federalism, but it is true that we haven’t found the right balance yet.

  15. Joe Biden just said, at a rally, that all men and women are created equal by… you know,… the thing.

    I get that people think Trump is a boor, and they hate his politics. That comes with the territory. I wasn’t happy being shuffled off to Vietnam. That was a macro aggression.

    But a major political party should not go insane when they lose to a populist. Obama was a populist. Republicans responded with Romney, who was qualified and sane. Then Trump went to the primaries opposed by a raft of qualified and sane republicans.

    He is a born salesman who spent 14 years polishing his performance skills on TV. He’s good at it. That does not explain the complete collapse of the democratic party, or why they can’t find a candidate or a non crazy platform.

  16. Allan Miller: I live somewhere there’s only one, effectively. And the People’s manipulated hatred of socialism sees them celebrate efforts to keep it that way.

    Socialist democrats have been in decline here as well. They simply didn’t thrive in coalitions where they constantly needed to compromise, were unable to explain this to their voters, and always got punished for it in elections. Thankfully, we have too many parties here for this to result in the dominance of one.

  17. I think you conflate nationalism with the cause of war. I can’t give the specific cause of any particular war, but it will involve money. Follow the money.

    The people who are pissed off by the prospects of peace are military relics who cannot get promoted without a wartime command. And the Daddy Warbucks, who make weapons. And the intelligence agencies, which can’t abide the thought of being dispensable.

    Trick question: which American presidents, since Vietnam, have used the least military force?

  18. Allan Miller: I live somewhere there’s only one, effectively. And the People’s manipulated hatred of socialism sees them celebrate efforts to keep it that way.

    A success story might help.

  19. I lived most of my life in florida. I went to school with Cubans. My nearest neighbor in recent years was from Venezuela.

    Countries Bernie speaks highly of. Not so much this week. Word of mouth from a schoolmate or neighbor is more persuasive than political speeches.

  20. Corneel: Haven’t got the faintest idea. Why? Does he get to claim the difference?

    He apparently inherited around 250 million, was given the rights to Atlantic casinos and blew that, then proceeded to go bankrupt multiple times, and then when he became President was worth probably less than what he inherited. That of course doesn’t include all of the money he didn’t pay back from the bankruptcies, which if it did, would put him in the homeless category of wealth.

  21. phoodoo,

    You can be sure this is one of the reasons he is petrified about releasing his taxes. It will show he is nothing like the business man he brags to be.

  22. petrushka: I get that people think Trump is a boor, and they hate his politics. That comes with the territory. I wasn’t happy being shuffled off to Vietnam. That was a macro aggression.

    They love him for that , both victim and bully. Too bad you didn’t have bone spurs

  23. petrushka: But a major political party should not go insane when they lose to a populist. Obama was a populist. Republicans responded with Romney, who was qualified and sane. Then Trump went to the primaries opposed by a raft of qualified and sane republicans.

    Too bad a majority of Republicans were not worried about qualifications or sanity in a candidate. He was on TV was enough.

  24. Allan Miller,

    Countries where people are happiest to live:

    Finland.
    Denmark.
    Norway.
    Iceland.
    Netherlands.
    Switzerland.
    Sweden.
    New Zealand
    Canada
    Australia

    What’s the one thing they all have in common…hmmmm.

    Next you could look at the countries with the least income inequality. Almost the exact same results.

    So the crazy Americans, all they can say is, yea, but look at the taxes they have to pay….

    Gee, all those poor happy people. Why can’t they be greedy and miserable like Americans?

  25. petrushka: We had a failed version, like EU. Ditched it and started from scratch. We were 60 years behind Britain in eliminating slavery, but we got there.

    At the cost of oceans of blood.

  26. Turns out, cutthroat, unfettered capitalism, is not as fun as the name implies.

    Who would have guessed?

  27. There is no country in the world that wouldn’t benefit from laws that prevent giant income inequality from happening. Does anyone really believe that Japan’s innovation and efficiency is harmed by the fact that top bosses can only earn 50 times their employees, instead of 10,000 times?

    (Switzerland was proposing to limit the top CEO’s pay to 12 times the lowest paid employee. Oh, those poor bosses. They are all going to quit! Why bother!)

  28. newton: At the cost of oceans of blood.

    Wars do that. So I ask again, since Vietnam, which presidents have used the least military force?

    It’s one of a couple of issues I care about. Why is there no press coverage of the attempt to end the war in Afghanistan?

  29. petrushka: Wars do that.

    That is what it took here, most places just outlawed slavery.

    So I ask again, since Vietnam, which presidents have used the least military force?

    So Carter, Reagan, HW Bush ,Clinton, George Bush, Obama , Trump.

    Least military force, okay. We have some Presidents that served two terms, some one term .one still in office.

    We can eliminate Reagan, HW, George , Obama, so two term Presidents, Clinton ; one term Carter, and Trump yet to be determined . Do you consider the build up of the Southern Border as military force, certainly using military funding to build wall and ICE is at least has military trappings as well as Trump’s description of the US being invaded?

    It’s one of a couple of issues I care about. Why is there no press coverage of the attempt to end the war in Afghanistan?

    I read about it, I think there are already snags about prisoners. You mean The US part of the war ,right?

  30. Corneel: Much more important indeed. But not a very solid foundation for building an “empire”.

    If only you inherited some millions, right? You would have become the best ballerina in the world, right?

    Corneel: You not explaining the phenomenon while feigning understanding is very telling of your subpar skills at bluffing.

    Lame comeback.

    Corneel: You really need to work on your sense of humour, Nonlin.

    Is it not dark enough for your drab soviet republic? 🙂

  31. phoodoo: Countries where people are happiest to live:

    Finland.
    Denmark.
    Norway.
    Iceland.
    Netherlands.
    Switzerland.
    Sweden.
    New Zealand
    Canada
    Australia

    The key is very low expectations. I forgot the book – some Brit married to a Dane. Low expectations are in their culture. How else could anyone be happy in Finland? In Finland?!? Would you even go visit Finland? All expenses paid and all? I wouldn’t bother.

  32. petrushka: Why is there no press coverage of the attempt to end the war in Afghanistan?

    Cynicism, probably. It might end but probably badly. Folks in charge of US diplomacy should look at Iraq for clues as to how things can turn out.

  33. DNA_Jock,
    I thought you were referring to the Eurovision Song Contest; I’m confusing Finland with Norway, I guess.

  34. Nonlin.org: If only you inherited some millions, right? You would have become the best ballerina in the world, right?

    Didn’t work for Donald, he is not even the best golfer in the world though he does cheat his way to club championships.Ever wonder why this man above all others feels it is necessary to constantly lie about everything? Just seems insecure.
    .

  35. Alan Fox: Cynicism, probably. It might end but probably badly. Folks in charge of US diplomacy should look at Iraq for clues as to how things can turn out.

    Or to Vietnam.

  36. phoodoo: (Switzerland was proposing to limit the top CEO’s pay to 12 times the lowest paid employee. Oh, those poor bosses. They are all going to quit! Why bother!)

    Not too long ago Bill Gates commented that if he had to pay a 90% tax on his fortune he’d be afraid and “wonder what would be left?”. Lets’ recall that he has over 107 billion dollars. What would be left? About 11 billion dollars.

    Eleven. Billion. Dollars. Poor guy.

  37. Rumraket,

    Bill Gates has the same issue as Steve Jobs wife (worth 27 Billion). She recently said she doesn’t think its good for one individual to have so much wealth, especially if they haven’t earned it (how ironic!) so she won’t give it to her kids, but will give it away instead. Bill Gates has said the same thing, that he will give it all away to charity.

    But here’s the thing, if he already knows which charities he will give it to, why not give it to them now? And if he doesn’t know the charities, what happens if he dies tomorrow, he didn’t choose any charities?

    So to both Jobs and Gates, I say it is just a PR campaign, so they can live as extravagantly as they want without too many complaints (which they both do, Jobs wife owns the largest yacht in the world-which Steve was building, and when he died she said, Oh, yea, finish it, I still want it!, collects expensive art and real estate). My question to both of them would be, if that is how you REALLY feel, is there something wrong with today?

  38. I suspect they both have financial advisers, who told them, “Just tell everyone you are going to give it all away, one day. Just keep saying it.” Its been 20 years ago since Gates said that. Still waiting…

    I think Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos have the same adviser. One day, you just wait…

  39. phoodoo:
    I suspect they both have financial advisers, who told them, “Just tell everyone you are going to give it all away, one day. Just keep saying it.”Its been 20 years ago since Gates said that.Still waiting…

    I think Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos have the same adviser.One day, you just wait…

    We might note in passing that Gates has so far contributed a total of $35 BILLION to charities. Yeah, he has a lot more, but that’s a sizeable wad.

  40. petrushka: I think you conflate nationalism with the cause of war. I can’t give the specific cause of any particular war, but it will involve money. Follow the money.

    Nationalism surely is not the sole cause of war, but I view it as an impediment to the maintenance good international relationships and a source of petty tribalism. Both are known to fuel international conflicts.

  41. Flint: We might note in passing that Gates has so far contributed a total of $35 BILLION to charities. Yeah, he has a lot more, but that’s a sizeable wad.

    Yea, I take that number with a huge grain of salt frankly. The reports are that this is what the foundation has given away since 1994. We don’t know where all of the money from the foundation came from, there is nothing that says it all came out of his pocket.

    In 2000 he gave 4.6 billion worth of Microsoft shares (supposedly worth) which at the time was only 5% of his wealth. That is the biggest donation he has ever given, so it seems he doesn’t even give more than 5% per year to charity. In 2018 he only gave 138 million, which is way less than 1%. So I still say it is just a clever way of getting publicity and holding back the pitchforks for his throat.

    I think once someone gets their first 50 Billion, the second 50 billion is pretty easy to come back, you don’t have to be all that clever.

  42. newton: I read about it, I think there are already snags about prisoners. You mean The US part of the war ,right?

    Seems we bombed the Taliban today after an attack on our allies. No worries Trump is on it

    The strike comes hours after a telephone call between President Donald Trump and Taliban chief negotiator Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar on Tuesday amid reports that the Taliban had resumed violence in Afghanistan days after the US and the Taliban signed a historic agreement in Qatar on Saturday.

    “Following his call on Tuesday, Trump told reporters that he “had a very good talk with the leader of the Taliban” and that they “have agreed there is no violence, don’t want violence.”
    “We will see what happens. They’re dealing with Afghanistan but we will see what happens,” Trump said.”
    His comments come as the Taliban have resumed hostilities in Afghanistan, carrying out dozens of attacks in the past day, according to the Interior Ministry. Marwa Amini, a deputy spokeswoman for the ministry, said there were attacks in 16 provinces, targeting civilians and security forces.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/taliban-airstrikes-afghanistan-us/index.html

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