Moderation Issues (6)

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  1. phoodoo
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    J-Mac,

    I agree that sort of website would be very useful.

    I am a big fan of Dr. Wolf-Ekkehard Lonnig.

  2. Entropy Entropy
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    phoodoo:
    http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/the-science-of-the-supernatural/comment-page-6/#comment-242458

    Its just the usual nonsense of Entropy’s telling everyone how they don’t understand anything because of their reading comprehension. Its basically the same post he has written here about 1208 times. One day maybe he will see the irony (just joking, he won’t)

    1. The link doesn’t point to any comment.

    2. I have four comments in that page.

    3. The only one mentioning reading comprehension is the one directed at J-Mac.

    4. That comment answers one by J-Mac, and I quote J-Mac’s whining verbatim, It’s interesting that you didn’t find J-Mac’s to be her/his usual whining, that you don’t find that repetitive, and that you don’t complain that J-Mac’s whining is insulting, uninteresting, and wasn’t guanoed.

    5. You cannot know if I’ve written the very same thing that many times, since you confessed that you don’t read my comments.

    6. It cannot be the same thing I’ve written before, since it gives specific answers to J-Mac’s claims, unless J-Mac’s claims have been repeated that many times, and J-Mac won’t understand the counterclaims, perhaps confirming J-Mac’s inability to read for comprehension.

    7. A sure way to stop me from talking about your inability to read for comprehension would be for you to try and read carefully before commenting or complaining.

    8. The irony is in you having so much trouble understanding my comments and complaining that I point to creationists’ inabilities to read for comprehension.

    phoodoo:
    The important point being that he is such an incredible bore.

    Even if that was so, it would not be a reason to guano the comment. Being a bore isn’t against the rules. May I suggest that you might have problems with reading for comprehension?

    😀

  3. Gregory Gregory
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    Neil Rickert,

    Got it. Thanks. Done.

  4. walto walto
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    Entropy: If you don’t like the rules, too bad.

    No, no. I understand they’re changing soon!

  5. Neil Rickert
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    Gregory: Got it. Thanks. Done.

    Now published.

  6. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    Gregory should get an award appropriate to the effort he has invested in coming up with the least snappy title for an OP ever!!!

  7. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    walto: The first (“Godot”) should contain only posts by Lizzie regarding how she’ll be back soon–with those that give a date certain having priority.

    Fair point. As far as I know at the moment, Lizzie is happy to keep paying for the site so there’s no issue other than Lizzie’s absence, her excuse for which is pressure of work. She’s active elsewhere on the internet which raises questions regarding whether her absence is solely due to lack of available time. I’ve contacted her at intervals as her various deadlines have expired, eliciting further promises but I don’t have much confidence currently that she intends to return in the near future. I guess there will have to be a point at which TSZ (or the members) should move out of Limbo. Have we reached that point?

  8. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    walto,

    Like Brexit, any change needs an idea of what to change to.

  9. phoodoo
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    Alan Fox,

    Translation:

    Can Alan give himself full power to do whatever the fuck he wants now?

    Which is odd,, because that’s what he does on a daily basis already. Good Ol,Twistedbeard.

  10. phoodoo
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    Alan Fox:
    walto,

    Like Brexit, any change needs an idea of what to change to.

    Alan II, Duke of Brittany.

  11. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    phoodoo: Twistedbeard.

    Oh, that’s me is it? Is it meant to be insulting or flattering?

  12. phoodoo
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    Alan Fox: Oh, that’s me is it? Is it meant to be insulting or flattering?

    How should I know how you would consider being a nondescript Monarch whose only claim to fame was lucky heritage and a mangled beard?

  13. walto walto
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    Alan Fox:
    walto,

    Like Brexit, any change needs an idea of what to change to.

    Righteo! Let’s get some threads on rule changes going post haste!!!

  14. Mung Mung
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    walto: Let’s get some threads on rule changes going post haste!!!

    That would be against the rules.

  15. BruceS
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    Alan Fox: She’s active elsewhere on the internet which raises questions regarding whether her absence is solely due to lack of available time.

    If where she is active is another discussion forum, then maybe she is trying to tell us something about where we should be posting.

  16. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    BruceS,

    It’s possible. It might also be linked to the fact moderation disputes are handled privately. Dunno.

  17. J-Mac
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    Alan Fox: I guess there will have to be a point at which TSZ (or the members) should move out of Limbo. Have we reached that point?

    What do you really mean by “TSZ (or the members) should move out of the Limbo” , Alan?
    Are you saying that Lizzy is done with TSZ or perhaps TSZ is done?

  18. Neil Rickert
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    BruceS: If where she is active is another discussion forum, then maybe she is trying to tell us something about where we should be posting.

    No. She (Lizzie) is just telling us something about her own priorities.

  19. phoodoo
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    Alan Fox:
    BruceS,

    It’s possible. It might also be linked to the fact moderation disputes are handled privately. Dunno.

    You are suggesting she prefers websites without transparency? So she she starts a website which claims to be completely transparent (ha) but she actually prefers secrecy.

    Maybe you are just projecting Alan.

  20. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    J-Mac: Are you saying that Lizzy is done with TSZ

    I don’t know but I certainly hope not.

    …or perhaps TSZ is done?

    Don’t think so. Traffic is steady.

  21. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    phoodoo: You are suggesting she prefers websites without transparency? So she she starts a website which claims to be completely transparent (ha) but she actually prefers secrecy.

    It’s no secret Lizzie came to dislike the moderating part of administering TSZ. She’s not involved at all in admin where she posts currently.

  22. phoodoo
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    Alan Fox: It’s no secret Lizzie came to dislike the moderating part of administering TSZ. She’s not involved at all in admin where she posts currently.

    Its no secret you would love secrecy Alan.

  23. walto walto
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    Alan Fox: I’ve contacted her at intervals as her various deadlines have expired, eliciting further promises but I don’t have much confidence currently that she intends to return in the near future. I guess there will have to be a point at which TSZ (or the members) should move out of Limbo. Have we reached that point?

    Yes, what does that Limbo remark mean?

    Oh, also, “Fool me 12 times, shame on me.”

  24. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    walto: Yes, what does that Limbo remark mean?

    Only that we’ve gone on for at least a couple of years with almost no input from the site owner. I’m just wondering if we should just carry on regardless indefinitely.

  25. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    walto: Oh, also, “Fool me 12 times, shame on me.”

    If you are referring to expired deadlines, well, quite!

  26. phoodoo
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    Alan Fox: Only that we’ve gone on for at least a couple of years with almost no input from the site owner. I’m just wondering if we should just carry on regardless indefinitely.

    Why do you need more input Alan. If lLizzie gave her aims and rules for the site, why are you so bent on changing them-other then the fact that you want to give yourself even more control of the content than you have now?

    Remember when you said you were quitting?

  27. Neil Rickert
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    Alan Fox: It’s no secret Lizzie came to dislike the moderating part of administering TSZ.

    I have considerable sympathy with that. And you probably do, too.

  28. walto walto
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    Alan Fox: If you are referring to expired deadlines, well, quite!

    I was. I mean, why in the world would anybody believe her at this point? And yet her promissory notes get dutifully pinned time after time after time. It kind of embarrassing.

    I’m not sure when I first registered for this place, but she’s never been here for much more than a spot of tea since I came.

    {Note to self: Could I have driven her off?!?}

  29. BruceS
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    Alan Fox:
    BruceS,

    It’s possible. It might also be linked to the fact moderation disputes are handled privately. Dunno.

    If that is the case and is a reason she prefers that forum, then why not change the rules here to match, if that is the majority view of the moderators.

  30. BruceS
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    Neil Rickert: I have considerable sympathy with that.And you probably do, too.

    Is that because of the work of moderation in general? Or only because of the invective and time-wasting associated with public airing of disputes? If only the latter, it seems easy to fix, and based on Alan’s post, Lizzie would have no objections.

  31. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    Neil Rickert,
    Yup! 🙂

  32. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    walto: And yet her promissory notes get dutifully pinned time after time after time. It kind of embarrassing.

    That was what I was getting at. At some point, should we stop waiting for Godot?

  33. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    walto: {Note to self: Could I have driven her off?!?}

    Don’t think you were the sole cause! 🙂

  34. petrushka
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    This place isn’t free. Guess who owns it and pays for it?

  35. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    BruceS: Is that because of the work of moderation in general? Or only because of the invective and time-wasting associated with public airing of disputes?

    When Lizzie was active here, she managed a huge output of OPs and comments. I suspect (on little more than my own supposition) that she was finding that level of interaction too much of a commitment (and moderation wrangles surely didn’t help) and it was simpler just to stop participating.

    If only the latter, it seems easy to fix, and based on Alan’s post, Lizzie would have no objections.

    On the whole, I think TSZ still provides the venue Lizzie intended and I don’t think we need to reinvent the wheel. It would just be great either to have Lizzie back at the helm or that she hand the torch on.

    (I do love mixing my metaphors)

  36. Neil Rickert
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    walto: {Note to self: Could I have driven her off?!?}

    Not a chance.

  37. Neil Rickert
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    BruceS: Is that because of the work of moderation in general?

    Moderation is a thankless job.

  38. BruceS
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    Neil Rickert: Moderation is a thankless job.

    Thanks for doing it despite that.

  39. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    petrushka:
    This place isn’t free. Guess who owns it and pays for it?

    I don’t know how much Lizzie pays for domain registration and site hosting but it’s not bargain basement. I guess 100€ annually would buy an adequate service depending on the traffic.and the software demands.

  40. petrushka
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    Alan Fox: I don’t know how much Lizzie pays for domain registration and site hosting but it’s not bargain basement. I guess 100€ annually would buy an adequate service depending on the traffic.and the software demands.

    So the experiment is still on, and the proof of support is in the continued payment of hosting fees.

  41. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    petrushka: So the experiment is still on

    Darn tootin’!

    …and the proof of support is in the continued payment of hosting fees.

    An inference, perhaps! 🙂

  42. Mung Mung
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    I feel like I need to complain about something.

  43. Allan Miller
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    Mung:
    I feel like I need to complain about something.

    I have a complaint about complaints.

  44. phoodoo
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    Neil Rickert: Alan Fox: It’s no secret Lizzie came to dislike the moderating part of administering TSZ.

    I have considerable sympathy with that. And you probably do, too.

    But the thought of quitting… Oh how it must send collective shivers down your non -existent spines.

  45. newton
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    phoodoo: But the thought of quitting… Oh how it must send collective shivers down your non -existent spines.

    I would think the fear of never being able to quit is what would send the chill down their spine.

  46. J-Mac
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    Maybe Lizzy wants to sell the domain???
    This is an opportunity for someone to create a much better blog where people like Behe, Axe, Gauger, Nelson, Lonnig, Dawkins could post their OPs… with self-moderation: lock it, and allow only those who they would like to discuss the topic with…
    If Behe or others don’t like my comments they block them…If I want to challenge them, I create my own OP and self-moderate …something like that…
    TSZ current software has not such capabilities as for as I I can tell…

  47. walto walto
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    J-Mac,

    Not to worry. The good news is that software with capability for stream-of-consciousness bimbling blogs seems to be just around the corner.

  48. Alan Fox Alan Fox
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    J-Mac:
    Maybe Lizzy wants to sell the domain???

    I very much doubt that.

    This is an opportunity for someone to create a much better blog where people like Behe, Axe, Gauger, Nelson, Lonnig, Dawkins could post their OPs… with self-moderation: lock it, and allow only those who they would like to discuss the topic with…

    There are web-hosting companies galore. Packages are available with pre-loaded software. Domain names are often bundled in or available for a few dollars a year. I bet even you could set up a blog.

    If Behe or others don’t like my comments they block them…If I want to challenge them, I create my own OP and self-moderate …something like that…

    I wonder if Mike Behe would want to share with you. His previous venture into blogging didn’t run to allowing comments at all.

    TSZ current software has not such capabilities as for as I I can tell…

    It’s the standard WordPress platform with a few off-the-shelf plugins. I’d suggest starting afresh with whatever software appeals. You could also ask our member, nonlin.org, for advice on how to set up a blog. I suggest it’s dead easy.

    The hard part will be getting traffic. 🙂

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