Noyau (2)

…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation

Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.

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2,821 Replies to “Noyau (2)”

  1. Mung Mung says:

    Alan Fox: Never met him. Just agree with his Bible editing.

    Like the bits about slavery?

  2. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    walto:
    OK, thanks. I’ve been thinking about some of his political writings recently.

    Oh, I thought you were going to take issue, him being a slave owner. You’ve piqued my curiosity now.

  3. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    Mung,

    Did he do that? His black family were treated reasonably well by the standard of the time.

    ETA The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy I linked to above has a section on race that’s worth a read.

  4. walto walto says:

    Alan Fox: Oh, I thought you were going to take issue, him being a slave owner. You’ve piqued my curiosity now.

    Mostly I’m curious about his disagreements with Madison regarding democracy, the Constitution, stuff like that.

  5. stcordova says:

    Here is a 7-minute video that explains my journey from nearly leaving the Christian faith in 2001 and then eventually returning to it. I explain this in the context of the 2018 holiday season. It also (indirectly) explains how I got involved in ID and Creation Science.

    https://youtu.be/L-O-6aA5rPQ

  6. Gregory Gregory says:

    Mung,

    It disappeared behind ‘login required.’ Do send highlights. ; )

  7. BruceS says:

    Mung:
    Before the thread disappears, lol.

    https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/mung-and-swamidas-again/3434

    I skimmed it. Makes me wonder whatever happened to “turn the other cheek”. Especially given the site’s purpose. But perhaps you mean it as some kind of meta-irony (if that is a thing) for that site?

  8. stcordova says:

    Jordan Peterson on evidence engineers biologically tend to be male and nurses female. This could be extend to so many other questions and the mythical wage gap.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-gender-scandal-in-scandinavia-and-canada

    The best explanation, so far, for the fact of the growing differences is that there are two reasons for the differences between men and women: biology and culture. If you minimize the cultural differences (as you do with egalitarian social policies) then you allow the biological differences to manifest themselves fully. I have seen social scientists struggle to offer a cultural explanation, but I haven’t heard any such hypothesis that is the least bit credible, and have been unable to formulate one myself.

    There are also those who insist that we just haven’t gone far enough in our egalitarian attempts — that even Scandinavia and The Netherlands, arguably the world’s most egalitarian societies, are still rampantly patriarchal — but that doesn’t explain why the sex differences have grown, rather than shrunk, as those cultures have become demonstrably more equal in social policy.

    Peterson pointed out elsewhere Engineers in the scandinavian countries are 95% male, and nurses 95% female, or something like that. I have to ask, why should feminist see this as a problem??? I mean 90% of prisoners and criminals are male, do feminist want equality there? Hey, lets impose a gender quota on the prison population. That means releasing 80% of the prisoners so we have half men and half women. Absurdity!

  9. Mung Mung says:

    Gregory: It disappeared behind ‘login required.’ Do send highlights.

    For one thing I posted a screenshot, which somehow got turned into a picture of something completely different from what I posted. Deja Vu.

    ETA: They have a “Back Porch” category which requires you to be logged in to view. So if a thread gets moved to “Back Porch” only people who are logged in will be able to see it.

  10. stcordova says:

    A 5-minute explanation for one of the reasons I don’t think the fossil record represents millions of years:

    https://youtu.be/VvX5yQloHrg

  11. Mung Mung says:

    It’s not that I hate ignorance, but that I hate ignorance posing as knowledge or understanding.

  12. stcordova says:

    Jordan Peterson vs Brett Weinstein.

    Peterson explains that Marxism fails to account for Pareto principle:

    https://youtu.be/i0iL0ixoZYo

  13. stcordova says:

    Jesus said: “those who have, more will be given, those who have not, what little they have will be taken away.” The Pareto Principle.

  14. Kantian Naturalist Kantian Naturalist says:

    stcordova,

    That would be interesting if Peterson had a correct understanding of Marx.

  15. stcordova says:

    KantianNaturalist,

    Whatever Marx said or meant, what counts as far as I’m concerned personally is how his proponents like Mao and Stalin and countries like Venezuela and Cuba North Korea or Pol Pot in Cambodia have interpreted and implemented Marxism. The outcome was not good.

    There are probably systemic reasons why strongly centralized state control of everything eventually results in all sorts of brutality. Part of the reason is if the government leaders have no morals and have no motivation to seek the welfare of the people rather than themselves, it’s natural they will treat the populace badly and they eventually ignore all the written principles and promises they made during their rise to power.

    It’s extremely presumptuous to think that socialist leaders have motivation to be ethical once they are in power. It’s an unfortunate side of human nature that has a long history of playing out when power is given to someone that may have been reasonably idealistic at the start of their careers but then slowly become corrupt over time.

  16. Mung Mung says:

    I think I’ve been misunderstood throughout the thread, lol. So no worries.

    I could care less about the “is it really a motor” or “is it really an engine” debate. We may as well debate whether gravity is a propellant.

    The point I was trying to make was how one could misread what someone else wrote and then try to make a big deal over it. If I say “the RX-7 motor” am I claiming that the RX-7 IS A MOTOR? Obviously not. But the idea floated in this thread is that Brian Miller was saying the flagellum IS A MOTOR. It’s silly. It diminishes the site.

    What do you think Brian was referring to when he wrote “the bacterial rotary motor”? If he meant to say that the flagellum is a motor why did he fail to mention the flagellum?

    The opening post offers us a pretense. A fiction. That Brian Miller thinks the flagellum is a motor. Not that there is a motor at the base of the flagellum, not that the flagellum has a motor which drives its rotation, but that the flagellum IS A MOTOR. It’s dishonest. It’s unbecoming. This entire thread is a perfect example of the things that are wrong with this site.

    Just take a look at the exchange between Joshua and Dale. What a disgrace.

    https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/the-flagella-is-not-a-motor/3801/230

    LoL. Post hidden. 🙂

  17. J-Mac says:

    Mung: Just take a look at the exchange between Joshua and Dale. What a disgrace.

    Maybe it should be renamed? How about Disgraceful Science?

  18. Mung Mung says:

    New thread at Peaceful Science, aka Peaceful Creationism.

    Who Josh Trusts

    It’s been relegated to the Back Porch. So members only.

    His list of who he trusts…

  19. J-Mac says:

    Mung: The opening post offers us a pretense. A fiction. That Brian Miller thinks the flagellum is a motor. Not that there is a motor at the base of the flagellum, not that the flagellum has a motor which drives its rotation, but that the flagellum IS A MOTOR. It’s dishonest. It’s unbecoming. This entire thread is a perfect example of the things that are wrong with this site.

    “Bacteria swim by means of flagella, which are locomotive chemiosmotic nanomachines that are widely distributed among this kingdom. This structure utilizes the energy from the electrochemical gradient to generate torque and propel the cell through its environment”

    https://jb.asm.org/content/189/22/7998

    “The bacterial flagellar motor is a complex biological rotary molecular motor, which is situated in the cell envelopes of bacteria. Whereas most biological motors use adenosine triphosphate as their energy source, the rotation of the flagellar motor is driven by a flow of charged ions across the bacterial plasma membrane. The motor powers the rotation of helical flagellar filaments at speeds of up to several hundred hertz. These rotating filaments act like propellers, pushing the cells through their environment. The motors are regulated by one of the best‐characterised biological signalling pathways, the chemotaxis pathway. This pathway changes the swimming pattern of the bacteria in response to changes in the concentration of external chemicals so that they move into environments, which are optimal for their growth. Other pathways can regulate the flagellar motor and the motor itself can respond to changing conditions by adapting parts of its structure.”

    http://www.els.net/WileyCDA/ElsArticle/refId-a0000744.html

    The official belief is that “…the bacterial flagellum motors use adenosine triphosphate as their energy source, the rotation of the flagellar motor is driven by a flow of charged ions across the bacterial plasma membrane.”

    However:

    “The flagellum is highly energy efficient and uses very little energy.[23][unreliable source?] The exact mechanism for torque generation is still poorly understood.[24] Because the flagellar motor has no on-off switch, the protein epsE is used as a mechanical clutch to disengage the motor from the rotor, thus stopping the flagellum and allowing the bacterium to remain in one place.[25]”
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellum

    Since the bacterial flagellum propelling is a highly energy efficient process and bacteria use photosynthesis, and we now know that photosynthesis is quantum because it is almost 100% efficient, then the question still remains whether bacterium flagellum could possibly use some known or unknown quantum processes for the mechanism of torque generation…
    Until someone can experimentally prove it one way or another, it remains a matter of speculations…well… officially at least…lol

    I can’t wait to review Dr. Swamidass’ upcoming book…I have more than a few surprises for him… 😉

  20. timothya timothya says:

    J-MacSince the bacterial flagellum propelling is a highly energy efficient process and bacteria use photosynthesis, and we now know that photosynthesis is quantum because it is almost 100% efficient, then the question still remains whether bacterium flagellum could possibly use some known or unknown quantum processes for the mechanism of torque generation.

    Where does the “100% efficiency of photosynthesis” come from? For sugar cane, which is regarded as close to the most efficient photosynthesiser, about eight per cent of light energy is preserved as chemical energy by photosynthesis.

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