Sandbox (4)

Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.

I’ve opened a new “Sandbox” thread as a post as the new “ignore commenter” plug-in only works on threads started as posts.

5,806 thoughts on “Sandbox (4)

  1. aleta:
    Good point. I assumed he would offer specific items, but if the general idea is that they must be hiding something but he doesn’t know what it is because it’s hidden, then expecting any detail is fruitless.

    Also, we should bear in mind that Pfizer is in competition with several other companies, their products are not identical, they can contain trade secrets kept secret to avoid someone copying the products or reverse engineering their processes. I think we can be fairly confident that there are ingredients not published, on the part of every competing company. I think the problem lies in assuming these ingredients are harmful because they are hidden.

  2. I agree that it is irrational to believe corporations hide or fail to disclose adverse information.

  3. petrushka:
    I agree that it is irrational to believe corporations hide or fail to disclose adverse information.

    This is not about whether corporations hide adverse information. This is about how you spew irrational drivel about covid policies without any reference point, putting your wacky ignorance to full display regarding how similar pandemics have been handled before (if you think there have not been similar pandemics, then yup, that’s your wacky ignorance speaking), and blowing out of proportion the mask and vaccine policies without the faintest idea why masks and vaccines exist. And you tied this in earlier pages further into partisan anti-Biden politics of your own country, completely forgetting that the vaccine policies started under Trump and the pandemic was worldwide and pretty much every country had lockdowns and masks and vaccines and those that did not faired worse, not better.

    These are not characteristics of a critical thinker or a healthy skeptic. These are characteristics of a Q/MAGA cultist.

    To avoid displaying such characteristics in the future is not too hard: Just don’t spew Q/MAGA talking points. Try to stay on one topic. If vaccine, then vaccine. If corporate policies, then corporate policies. If pandemics policies, then that. If partisan politics and elections, then that. And whichever you pick, it is a good idea to be reasonably informed and follow the factual timeline at least. My prediction is that you are incapable of this. You will continue your current line after again whining a bit about how this discussion is not nice, whereas actually you have been treated far too nicely here, as if Q/MAGA propaganda were worth discussing the same way as academic research or plain common sense. It really is not. People here are too nice to confront it.

    ETA: When it comes to the covid vaccines, J-Mac and petrushka have the same cultist post-truth agenda.

  4. Certainly corporations hide adverse information. Think of tobacco companies 50 years ago.

    That doesn’t mean Pfizer has done so.

    Why are specifics as opposed to unsupported generalities to hard to come up with, I wonder?

  5. aleta:
    Certainly corporations hide adverse information. Think of tobacco companies 50 years ago.

    That doesn’t mean Pfizer has done so.

    Why are specifics as opposed to unsupported generalities to hard to come up with, I wonder?

    Wel, yes, adverse information is least likely to be publicized. I suspect a great deal of “classified” information has less to do with national security than to cover up stupid things someone doesn’t want the public to know.

    Still, I think you have it somewhat backwards. Opposition to masks and vaccines is the initial “policy” (more like cult groupthink) position. OK, this requires that masks and vaccines are some sort of harmful conspiracy. And that in turn means those producing the vaccines must be a central part of the conspiracy. And THAT in turn means they are hiding the details that would prove they’re out to harm us.

    And I think the initial opposition to masks and vaccines was derived from a deep distrust of government, and big business, and other shadowy evil forces that surround us and wreck our lives! It’s these forces responsible for the groomers, and CRT, etc.

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