Recycling bad arguments: ENV on the origin of life

During the past few days, Dr. Brian Miller (whose Ph.D. is in physics) has written a series of articles on the origin of life over at Evolution News and Views:

Thermodynamics of the Origin of Life (June 19, 2017)
The Origin of Life, Self-Organization, and Information (June 20, 2017)
Free Energy and the Origin of Life: Natural Engines to the Rescue (June 22, 2017)
Origin of Life and Information — Some Common Myths (June 26, 2017)

Dr. Miller’s aim is to convince his readers that intelligent agency was required to coordinate the steps leading to the origin of life. I think his conclusion may very well be correct, but that doesn’t make his arguments correct. In this post, I plan to subject Dr. Miller’s arguments to scientific scrutiny, in order to determine whether Dr. Miller has made a strong case for Intelligent Design.

While I commend Dr. Miller for his indefatigability, I find it disappointing that his articles recycle several Intelligent Design canards which have been refuted on previous occasions. Dr. Miller also seems to be unaware of recently published online articles which address some of his concerns.

1. Thermodynamics of the Origin of Life

White smokers emitting liquid carbon dioxide at the Champagne vent, Northwest Eifuku volcano, Marianas Trench Marine National Monument. Image courtesy of US NOAA and Wikipedia.

In his first article, Thermodynamics of the Origin of Life, Dr. Miller critiques the popular scientific view that life originated in a “system strongly driven away from equilibrium” (or more technically, a non-equilibrium dissipative system), such as “a pond subjected to intense sunlight or the bottom of the ocean near a hydrothermal vent flooding its surroundings with superheated water and high-energy chemicals.” Dr. Miller argues that this view is fatally flawed, on three counts:

First, no system could be maintained far from equilibrium for more than a limited amount of time. The sun is only out during the day, and superheated water at the bottom of the ocean would eventually migrate away from any hydrothermal vents. Any progress made toward forming a cell would be lost as the system reverted toward equilibrium (lower free energy) and thus away from any state approaching life. Second, the input of raw solar, thermal, or other forms of energy actually increase the entropy of the system, thus moving it in the wrong direction. For instance, the ultraviolet light from the sun or heat from hydrothermal vents would less easily form the complex chemical structures needed for life than break them apart. Finally, in non-equilibrium systems the differences in temperature, concentrations, and other variables act as thermodynamic forces which drive heat transfer, diffusion, and other thermodynamic flows. These flows create microscopic sources of entropy production, again moving the system away from any reduced-entropy state associated with life. In short, the processes occurring in non-equilibrium systems, as in their near-equilibrium counterparts, generally do the opposite of what is actually needed.

Unfortunately for Dr. Miller, none of the foregoing objections is particularly powerful, and most of them are out-of-date. I would also like to note for the record that while the hypothesis that life originated near a hydrothermal vent remains popular among origin-of-life theorists, the notion that this vent was located at “the bottom of the ocean” is now widely rejected. Miller appears to be unaware of this. In fact, as far back as 1988, American chemist Stanley Miller, who became famous when he carried out the Miller-Urey experiment in 1952, had pointed out that long-chain molecules such as RNA and proteins cannot form in water without enzymes to help them. Additionally, leading origin-of-life researchers such as Dr. John Sutherland (of the Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge, UK) and Dr. Jack Szostak (of Harvard Medical School) have discovered that many of the chemical reactions leading to life depend heavily on the presence of ultraviolet light, which only comes from the sun. This rules out a deep-sea vent scenario. That’s old news. Let us now turn to Dr. Miller’s three objections to the idea of life originating in a non-equilibrium dissipative system.

(a) Could a non-equilibrium be kept away from equilibrium?

Miller’s first objection is that non-equilibrium systems can’t be maintained for very long, which would mean that life would never have had time to form in the first place. However, a recent BBC article by Michael Marshall, titled, The secret of how life on Earth began (October 31, 2016), describes a scenario, proposed by origin-of-life researcher John Sutherland, which would evade the force of this objection. Life, Sutherland believes, may have formed very rapidly:

Sutherland has set out to find a “Goldilocks chemistry”: one that is not so messy that it becomes useless, but also not so simple that it is limited in what it can do. Get the mixture just complicated enough and all the components of life might form at once, then come together.

In other words, four billion years ago there was a pond on the Earth. It sat there for years until the mix of chemicals was just right. Then, perhaps within minutes, the first cell came into existence.

“But how, and where?” readers might ask. One plausible site for this event, put forward by origin-of-life expert Armen Mulkidjanian, is the geothermal ponds found near active volcanoes. Because these ponds would be continually receiving heat from volcanoes, they would not return to equilibrium at night, as Dr. Miller supposes.

Another likely location for the formation of life, proposed by John Sutherland, is a meteorite impact zone. This scenario also circumvents Miller’s first objection, as large-scale meteorite impacts would have melted the Earth’s crust, leading to geothermal activity and a continual supply of hot water. The primordial Earth was pounded by meteorites on a regular basis, and large impacts could have created volcanic ponds where life might have formed:

Sutherland imagines small rivers and streams trickling down the slopes of an impact crater, leaching cyanide-based chemicals from the rocks while ultraviolet radiation pours down from above. Each stream would have a slightly different mix of chemicals, so different reactions would happen and a whole host of organic chemicals would be produced.

Finally the streams would flow into a volcanic pond at the bottom of the crater. It could have been in a pond like this that all the pieces came together and the first protocells formed.

(b) Would an input of energy increase entropy?

What about Miller’s second objection, that the input of energy would increase the entropy of the system, thus making it harder for the complex chemical structures needed for life to form, in the first place?

Here, once again, recent work in the field seems to be pointing to a diametrically opposite conclusion. A recent editorial on non-equilibrium dissipative systems (Nature Nanotechnology 10, 909 (2015)) discusses the pioneering work of Dr. Jeremy England, who maintains that the dissipation of heat in these systems can lead to the self-organization of complex systems, including cells:

The theoretical concepts presented are not new — they have been rigorously reported before in specialized physics literature — but, as England explains, recently there has been a number of theoretical advances that, taken together, might lead towards a more complete understanding of non-equilibrium phenomena. More specifically, the meaning of irreversibility in terms of the amount of work being dissipated as heat as a system moves on a particular trajectory between two states. It turns out, this principle is relatively general, and can be used to explain the self-organization of complex systems such as that observed in nanoscale assemblies, or even in cells.

Dr. England, who is by the way an Orthodox Jew, has derived a generalization of the second law of thermodynamics that holds for systems of particles that are strongly driven by an external energy source, and that can dump heat into a surrounding bath. All living things meet these two criteria. Dr. England has shown that over the course of time, the more likely evolutionary outcomes will tend to be the ones that absorbed and dissipated more energy from the environment’s external energy sources, on the way to getting there. In his own words: “This means clumps of atoms surrounded by a bath at some temperature, like the atmosphere or the ocean, should tend over time to arrange themselves to resonate better and better with the sources of mechanical, electromagnetic or chemical work in their environments.”

There are two mechanisms by which a system might dissipate an increasing amount of energy over time. One such mechanism is self-replication; the other, greater structural self-organization. Natalie Wolchover handily summarizes Dr. England’s reasoning in an article in Quanta magazine, titled, A New Physics Theory of Life (January 22, 2014):

Self-replication (or reproduction, in biological terms), the process that drives the evolution of life on Earth, is one such mechanism by which a system might dissipate an increasing amount of energy over time. As England put it, “A great way of dissipating more is to make more copies of yourself.” In a September paper in the Journal of Chemical Physics, he reported the theoretical minimum amount of dissipation that can occur during the self-replication of RNA molecules and bacterial cells, and showed that it is very close to the actual amounts these systems dissipate when replicating. He also showed that RNA, the nucleic acid that many scientists believe served as the precursor to DNA-based life, is a particularly cheap building material. Once RNA arose, he argues, its “Darwinian takeover” was perhaps not surprising…

Besides self-replication, greater structural organization is another means by which strongly driven systems ramp up their ability to dissipate energy. A plant, for example, is much better at capturing and routing solar energy through itself than an unstructured heap of carbon atoms. Thus, England argues that under certain conditions, matter will spontaneously self-organize. This tendency could account for the internal order of living things and of many inanimate structures as well. “Snowflakes, sand dunes and turbulent vortices all have in common that they are strikingly patterned structures that emerge in many-particle systems driven by some dissipative process,” he said.

Dr. Jeremy England is an MIT physicist. Dr. Miller is also a physicist. I find it puzzling (and more than a little amusing) that Dr. Miller believes that increasing the entropy of a non-equilibrium dissipative system will inhibit the formation of complex chemical structures required for life to exist, whereas Dr. England believes the exact opposite!

(c) Would local variations within non-equilibrium dissipative systems prevent life from forming?

What of Dr. Miller’s third objection, that differences in temperature, concentrations, and other variables arising within a non-equilibrium dissipative system will generate entropy on a microscopic scale, creating disturbances which move the system away from a reduced-entropy state, which is required for life to exist? Dr. David Ruelle, author of a recent Arxiv paper titled, The Origin of Life seen from the point of view of non-equilibrium statistical mechanics (January 29, 2017), appears to hold a contrary view. In his paper, Dr. Ruelle refrains from proposing a specific scenario for the origin of life; rather, his aim, as he puts it, is to describe “a few plausible steps leading to more and more complex states of pre-metabolic systems so that something like life may naturally arise.” Building on the work of Dr. Jeremy England and other authors in the field, Dr. Ruelle contends that “organized metabolism and replication of information” can spontaneously arise from “a liquid bath (water containing various solutes) interacting with some pre-metabolic systems,” where the pre-metabolic systems are defined as “chemical associations which may be carried by particles floating in the liquid, or contained in cracks of a solid boundary of the liquid.” At the end of his paper, Dr. Ruelle discusses what he calls pre-biological systems, emphasizing their ability to remain stable in the face of minor fluctuations, and describing how their complexity can increase over time:

In brief, a pre-biological state is generally indecomposable. This means in particular that the fluctuations in its composition are not large. The prebiological state is also stable under small perturbations, except when those lead to a new metabolic pathway, changing the nature of the state.

We see thus a pre-biological system as a set of components undergoing an organized set of chemical reactions using a limited amount of nutrients in the surrounding fluid. The complexity of the pre-biological system increases as the amount of available nutrients decreases. The system can sustain a limited amount of disturbance. An excessive level of disturbance destroys the organized set of reactions on which the system is based: it dies.

Evidently Dr. Ruelle believes that non-equilibrium dissipative systems are resilient to minor fluctuations, and even capable of undergoing an increase in complexity, whereas Dr. Miller maintains that these fluctuations would prevent the formation of life.

If Dr. Miller believes that Dr. Ruelle is wrong, perhaps he would care to explain why.

2. The Origin of Life, Self-Organization, and Information

The three main structures phospholipids form spontaneously in solution: the liposome (a closed bilayer), the micelle and the bilayer. Image courtesy of Lady of Hats and Wikipedia.

I turn now to Dr. Miller’s second article, The Origin of Life, Self-Organization, and Information. In this article, Dr. Miller argues that there are profound differences between self-organizational order and the cellular order found in living organisms. Non-equilibrium dissipative systems might be able to generate the former kind of order, but not the latter.

The main reason for the differences between self-organizational and cellular order is that the driving tendencies in non-equilibrium systems move in the opposite direction to what is needed for both the origin and maintenance of life. First, all realistic experiments on the genesis of life’s building blocks produce most of the needed molecules in very small concentrations, if at all. And, they are mixed together with contaminants, which would hinder the next stages of cell formation. Nature would have needed to spontaneously concentrate and purify life’s precursors…

Concentration of some of life’s precursors could have taken place in an evaporating pool, but the contamination problem would then become much worse since precursors would be greatly outnumbered by contaminants. Moreover, the next stages of forming a cell would require the concentrated chemicals to dissolve back into some larger body of water, since different precursors would have had to form in different locations with starkly different initial conditions…

In addition, many of life’s building blocks come in both right and left-handed versions, which are mirror opposites. Both forms are produced in all realistic experiments in equal proportions, but life can only use one of them: in today’s life, left-handed amino acids and right-handed sugars. The origin of life would have required one form to become increasingly dominant, but nature would drive a mixture of the two forms toward equal percentages, the opposite direction.

(a) Why origin-of-life theorists are no longer obsessed with purity

Dr. Miller’s contention that contaminants would hinder the formation of living organisms has been abandoned by modern origin-of-life researchers, as BBC journalist Michael Marshall reports in his 2016 article, The secret of how life on Earth began. After describing how researcher John Sutherland was able to successfully assemble a nucleotide using a messy solution that contained a contaminant (phosphate) at the outset, leading Sutherland to hypothesize that for life to originate, there has to be “an optimum level of mess” (neither too much nor too little), Marshall goes on to discuss the pioneering experiments of another origin-of-life researcher, Jack Szostak, whose work has led him to espouse the same conclusion as Sutherland:

Szostak now suspects that most attempts to make the molecules of life, and to assemble them into living cells, have failed for the same reason: the experiments were too clean.

The scientists used the handful of chemicals they were interested in, and left out all the other ones that were probably present on the early Earth. But Sutherland’s work shows that, by adding a few more chemicals to the mix, more complex phenomena can be created.

Szostak experienced this for himself in 2005, when he was trying to get his protocells to host an RNA enzyme. The enzyme needed magnesium, which destroyed the protocells’ membranes.

The solution was a surprising one. Instead of making the vesicles out of one pure fatty acid, they made them from a mixture of two. These new, impure vesicles could cope with the magnesium – and that meant they could play host to working RNA enzymes.

What’s more, Szostak says the first genes might also have embraced messiness.

Modern organisms use pure DNA to carry their genes, but pure DNA probably did not exist at first. There would have been a mixture of RNA nucleotides and DNA nucleotides.

In 2012 Szostak showed that such a mixture could assemble into “mosaic” molecules that looked and behaved pretty much like pure RNA. These jumbled RNA/DNA chains could even fold up neatly.

This suggested that it did not matter if the first organisms could not make pure RNA, or pure DNA…

(b) Getting it together: how the first cell may have formed

Dr. Miller also argues that even if the components of life were able to form in separate little pools, the problem of how they came to be integrated into a living cell would still remain. In recent years, Dr. John Sutherland has done some serious work on this problem. Sutherland describes his own preferred origin-of-life scenario in considerable detail in a paper titled, The Origin of Life — Out of the Blue (Angewandte Chemie, International Edition, 2016, 55, 104 – 121.

Several years ago, we realised that … polarisation of the field was severely hindering progress, and we planned a more holistic approach. We set out to use experimental chemistry to address two questions, the previously assumed answers to which had led to the polarisation of the field: “Are completely different chemistries needed to make the various subsystems?” [and] “Would these chemistries be compatible with each other?”

With twelve amino acids, two ribonucleotides and the hydrophilic moiety of lipids synthesised by common chemistry, we feel that we have gone a good way to answering the first of the questions we posed at the outset. “Are completely different chemistries needed to make the various subsystems?” — we would argue no! We need to find ways of making the purine ribonucleotides, but hydrogen cyanide 1 is already strongly implicated as a starting material. We also need to find ways of making the hydrophobic chains of lipids, and maybe a few other amino acids, but there is hope in reductive homologation chemistry or what we have called “cyanosulfidic protometabolism.” …

The answer to the second question — “Would these chemistries be compatible with each other?” — is a bit more vague (thus far). The chemistries associated with the different subsystems are variations on a theme, but to operate most efficiently some sort of separation would seem to be needed. Because a late stage of our scenario has small streams or rivulets flowing over ground sequentially leaching salts and other compounds as they are encountered (Figure 17), it provides a very simple way in which variants of the chemistry could play out separately before all the products became mixed.

Separate streams might encounter salts and other compounds in different orders and be exposed to solar radiation differently. Furthermore streams might dry out and the residues become heated through geothermal activity before fresh inflow of water. If streams with different flow chemistry histories then merged, convergent synthesis might occur at the confluence and downstream thereof, or products might simply mix. It would be most plausible if only a few streams were necessary for the various strands of the chemistry to operate efficiently before merger. Our current working model divides the reaction network up such that the following groups of building blocks would be made separately: ribonucleotides; alanine, threonine, serine and glycine; glycerol phosphates, valine and leucine; aspartic acid, asparagine, glutamic acid and glutamine; and arginine and proline. Because the homologation of all intermediates uses hydrogen cyanide (1), products of reductive homologation of (1) — especially glycine — could be omnipresent.

Since then, Sutherland has written another paper, titled, Opinion: Studies on the origin of life — the end of the beginning (Nature Reviews Chemistry 1, article number: 0012 (2017), doi:10.1038/s41570-016-0012), in which he further develops his scenario.

(c) How did life come to be left-handed?

Two enantiomers [mirror images] of a generic amino acid which is chiral [left- or right-handed]. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

The left-handedness of amino acids in living things, coupled with the fact that that organisms contain only right-handed nucleotides, has puzzled origin-of-life theorists since the time of Pasteur. Does this rule put a natural origin for living things, as Dr. Miller thinks? It is interesting to note that Pasteur himself was wary of drawing this conclusion, according to a biography written by his grandson, and he even wrote: “I do not judge it impossible.” (René Dubos, Louis Pasteur: Free Lance of Science, Da Capo Press, Inc., 1950. p 396.)

Pasteur’s caution turns out to have been justified. According to a 2015 report by Claudia Lutz in Phys.org titled, Straight up, with a twist: New model derives homochirality from basic life requirements, scientists at the University of Illinois have recently come up with a simple model which explains the chirality found in living organisms in terms of just two basic properties: self-replication and disequilibrium.

The Illinois team wanted to develop a … model, … based on only the most basic properties of life: self-replication and disequilibrium. They showed that with only these minimal requirements, homochirality appears when self-replication is efficient enough.

The model … takes into account the chance events involving individual molecules — which chiral self-replicator happens to find its next substrate first. The detailed statistics built into the model reveal that if self-replication is occurring efficiently enough, this incidental advantage can grow into dominance of one chirality over the other.

The work leads to a key conclusion: since homochirality depends only on the basic principles of life, it is expected to appear wherever life emerges, regardless of the surrounding conditions.

More recent work has provided a detailed picture of how life’s amino acids became left-handed. In 2016, Rowena Ball and John Brindley proposed that since hydrogen peroxide is the smallest, simplest molecule to exist as a pair of non-superimposable mirror images, or enantiomers, its interactions with ribonucelic acids may have led to amplification of D-ribonucleic acids and extinction of L-ribonucleic acids. Hydrogen peroxide was produced on the ancient Earth, more than 3.8 billion years ago, around the time that life emerged. Ball explains how this favored the emergence of right-handed nucleotide chains, in a recent article in Phys.org:

It is thought that a small excess of L-amino acids was “rained” onto the ancient Earth by meteorite bombardment, and scientists have found that a small excess of L-amino acids can catalyse formation of small excesses of D-nucleotide precursors. This, we proposed, led to a marginal excess of D-polynucleotides over L-polynucleotides, and a bias to D-chains of longer mean length than L-chains in the RNA world.

In the primordial soup, local excesses of one or other hydrogen peroxide enantiomer would have occurred. Specific interactions with polynucleotides destabilise the shorter L-chains more than the longer, more robust, D-chains. With a greater fraction of L-chains over D-chains destabilised, hydrogen peroxide can then “go in for the kill”, with one enantiomer (let us say M) preferentially oxidising L-chains.

Overall, this process works in favour of increasing the fraction and average length of D-chains at the expense of L-species.

An outdated argument relating to proteins

In his article, Dr. Miller puts forward an argument for proteins having been intelligently designed, which unfortunately rests on faulty premises:

Proteins eventually break down, and they cannot self-replicate. Additional machinery was also needed to constantly produce new protein replacements. Also, the proteins’ sequence information had to have been stored in DNA using some genetic code, where each amino acid was represented by a series of three nucleotides know as a codon in the same way English letters are represented in Morse Code by dots and dashes. However, no identifiable physical connection exists between individual amino acids and their respective codons. In particular, no amino acid (e.g., valine) is much more strongly attracted to any particular codon (e.g., GTT) than to any other. Without such a physical connection, no purely materialistic process could plausibly explain how amino acid sequences were encoded into DNA. Therefore, the same information in proteins and in DNA must have been encoded separately.

The problem with this argument is that scientists have known for decades that its key premise is false. Dennis Venema (Professor of Biology at Trinity Western University in Langley, British Columbia) explains why, in a Biologos article titled, Biological Information and Intelligent Design: Abiogenesis and the origins of the genetic code (August 25, 2016):

Several amino acids do in fact directly bind to their codon (or in some cases, their anticodon), and the evidence for this has been known since the late 1980s in some cases. Our current understanding is that this applies only to a subset of the 20 amino acids found in present-day proteins.

In Venema’s view, this finding lends support to a particular hypothesis about the origin of the genetic code, known as the direct templating hypothesis, which proposes that “the tRNA system is a later addition to a system that originally used direct chemical interactions between amino acids and codons.” Venema continues: “In this model, then, the original code used a subset of amino acids in the current code, and assembled proteins directly on mRNA molecules without tRNAs present. Later, tRNAs would be added to the system, allowing for other amino acids—amino acids that cannot directly bind mRNA — to be added to the code.” The model also makes a specific prediction: if it is correct, then “amino acids would directly bind to their codons on mRNA, and then be joined together by a ribozyme (the ancestor of the present-day ribosome).”

Venema concludes:

The fact that several amino acids do in fact bind their codons or anticodons is strong evidence that at least part of the code was formed through chemical interactions — and, contra [ID advocate Stephen] Meyer, is not an arbitrary code. The code we have — or at least for those amino acids for which direct binding was possible — was indeed a chemically favored code. And if it was chemically favored, then it is quite likely that it had a chemical origin, even if we do not yet understand all the details of how it came to be.

I will let readers draw their own conclusions as to who has the better of the argument here: Venema or Miller.

3. Free Energy and the Origin of Life: Natural Engines to the Rescue

Photograph of American scientist Josiah Willard Gibbs (1839-1903), discoverer of Gibbs free energy, taken about 1895. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

In his third article, Free Energy and the Origin of Life: Natural Engines to the Rescue, Dr. Miller argues that the emergence of life would have required chemicals to move from a state of high entropy and low free energy to one of low entropy and high free energy. (Gibbs free energy can be defined as “a thermodynamic potential that can be used to calculate the maximum of reversible work that may be performed by a thermodynamic system at a constant temperature and pressure.”) However, spontaneous natural processes always tend towards lower free energy. An external source of energy doesn’t help matters, either, as it increases entropy. Miller concludes that life’s formation was intelligently directed:

Now, I will address attempts to overcome the free-energy barriers through the use of natural engines. To summarize, a fundamental hurdle facing all origin-of-life theories is the fact that the first cell must have had a free energy far greater than its chemical precursors. And spontaneous processes always move from higher free energy to lower free energy. More specifically, the origin of life required basic chemicals to coalesce into a state of both lower entropy and higher energy, and no such transitions ever occur without outside help in any situation, even at the microscopic level.

Attempted solutions involving external energy sources fail since the input of raw energy actually increases the entropy of the system, moving it in the wrong direction. This challenge also applies to all appeals to self-replicating molecules, auto-catalytic chemical systems, and self-organization. Since all of these processes proceed spontaneously, they all move from higher to lower free energy, much like rocks rolling down a mountain. However, life resides at the top of the mountain. The only possible solutions must assume the existence of machinery that processes energy and directs it toward performing the required work to properly organize and maintain the first cell.

But as we saw above, Dr. Jeremy England maintains that increasing the entropy of a non-equilibrium dissipative system can promote the formation of complex chemical structures required for life to exist. Miller’s claim that external energy sources invariably increase the entropy of the system is correct if we consider the system as a whole, including the bath into which non-equilibrium dissipative systems can dump their heat. Internally, however, self-organization can reduce entropy- a fact which undermines Miller’s attempt to demonstrate the impossibility of abiogenesis.

4. Origin of Life and Information — Some Common Myths

A game of English-language Scrabble in progress. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

In his final installment, Origin of Life and Information — Some Common Myths, Dr. Miller takes aim at the view that a reduction in entropy is sufficient to account for the origin of biological information. Miller puts forward three arguments which he believes demonstrate the absurdity of this idea.

(a) Could a reduction in entropy generate functional information?

A bowl of alphabet soup nearly full, and nearly empty, spelling “THE END” in the latter case. Image courtesy of strawberryblues and Wikipedia.

Let’s look at Miller’s first argument, that a reduction in entropy could never account for the highly specific sequencing of amino acids in proteins, or nucleotides in DNA:

A common attempt to overcome the need for information in the first cell is to equate information to a reduction in entropy, often referred to as the production of “negative entropy” or N-entropy. … However, entropy is not equivalent to the information in cells, since the latter represents functional information. To illustrate the difference, imagine entering the kitchen and seeing a bowl of alphabet soup with several letters arranged in the middle as follows:

REST TODAY AND DRINK PLENTY OF FLUIDS

I HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON

You would immediately realize that some intelligence, probably your mother, arranged the letters for a purpose. Their sequence could not possibly be explained by the physics of boiling water or the chemistry of the pasta.

… You would immediately recognize that a reduction in thermal entropy has no physical connection to the specific ordering of letters in a meaningful message. The same principle holds true in relation to the origin of life for the required sequencing of amino acids in proteins or nucleotides in DNA.

This, I have to say, is a fallacious argument, which I refuted in my online review of Dr. Douglas Axe’s recently published book, Undeniable. Dr. Miller, like Dr. Axe, is confusing functional information (which is found in living things) with the semantic information found in a message written with the letters of the alphabet, such as “REST TODAY AND DRINK PLENTY OF FLUIDS.” In fact, functional information is much easier to generate than semantic information, because it doesn’t have to form words, conform to the rules of syntax, or make sense at the semantic level:

The concepts of meaning and function are quite different, for reasons I shall now explain.

In order for an accidentally generated string of letters to convey a meaningful message, it needs to satisfy three very stringent conditions, each more difficult than the last: first, the letters need to be arranged into meaningful words; second, the sequence of words has to conform to the rules of syntax; and finally, the sequence of words has to make sense at the semantic level: in other words, it needs to express a meaningful proposition. For a string of letters generated at random to meet all of these conditions would indeed be fantastically improbable. But here’s the thing: living things don’t need to satisfy any of these conditions... The sequence of amino acids in a protein needs to do just one thing: it needs to fold up into a shape that can perform a biologically useful task. And that’s it. Generating something useful by chance – especially something with enough useful functions to be called alive – is a pretty tall order, but because living things lack the extra dimensions of richness found in messages that carry a semantic meaning, they’re going to be a lot easier to generate by chance than (say) instruction manuals or cook books… In practical terms, that means that given enough time, life just might arise.

Let me be clear: I am not trying to argue that a reduction in entropy is sufficient to account for the origin of biological information. That strikes me as highly unlikely. What I am arguing, however, is that appeals to messages written in text are utterly irrelevant to the question of how biological information arose. I might also add that most origin-of-life theorists don’t believe that the first living things contained highly specific sequences of “amino acids in proteins or nucleotides in DNA,” as Miller apparently thinks, because they probably lacked both proteins and DNA, if the RNA World hypothesis (discussed below) is correct. Miller is attacking a straw man.

(b) Can fixed rules account for the amino acid sequencing in proteins?

Dr. Miller’s second argument is that fixed rules, such as those governing non-linear dynamics processes, would be unable to generate the arbitrary sequences of amino acids found in proteins. These sequences perform useful biological functions, but are statistically random:

A related error is the claim that biological information could have come about by some complex systems or non-linear dynamics processes. The problem is that all such processes are driven by physical laws or fixed rules. And, any medium capable of containing information (e.g., Scrabble tiles lined up on a board) cannot constrain in any way the arrangement of the associated symbols/letters. For instance, to type a message on a computer, one must be free to enter any letters in any order. If every time one typed an “a” the computer automatically generated a “b,” the computer could no longer contain the information required to create meaningful sentences. In the same way, amino acid sequences in the first cell could only form functional proteins if they were free to take on any order…

…To reiterate, no natural process could have directed the amino acid sequencing in the first cell without destroying the chains’ capacity to contain the required information for proper protein folding. Therefore, the sequences could never be explained by any natural process but only by the intended goal of forming the needed proteins for the cell’s operations (i.e., teleologically).

Dr. Miller has a valid point here: it is extremely unlikely that fixed rules, by themselves, can explain the origin of biological information. Unfortunately, he spoils his case by likening the information in a protein to a string of text. As we have seen, the metaphor is a flawed one, on three counts. Proteins contain functional information, not semantic information.

Dr. Miller also makes an illicit inference from the statement that “no natural process could have directed the amino acid sequencing in the first cell” to the conclusion that “the sequences could never be explained by any natural process,” but only by a teleological process of Intelligent Design. This inference is unwarranted on two counts. First, it assumes that the only kind of natural explanation for the amino acid sequences in proteins would have to be some set of fixed rules (or laws) directing their sequence, which overlooks the possibility that functional sequences may have arisen by chance. (At this point, Intelligent Design advocates will be sure to cite Dr. Douglas Axe’s estimate that only 1 in 10^77 sequences of 150 amino acids are capable of folding up and performing some useful biological function, but this figure is a myth.)

Second, teleology may be either intrinsic (e.g. hearts are of benefit to animals, by virtue of the fact that they pump blood around the body) or extrinsic (e.g. a machine which is designed for the benefit of its maker), or both. Even if one could show that a teleological process was required to explain the origin of proteins, it still needs to be shown that this process was designed by an external Intelligence.

(c) Can stereochemical affinity account for the origin of the genetic code?

Origin-of-life researcher Eugene Koonin in May 2013. Koonin is a Russian-American biologist and Senior Investigator at the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI). Image courtesy of Konrad Foerstner and Wikipedia.

Dr. Miller then goes on to criticize the stereochemical affinity hypothesis for the origin of the genetic code, citing the work of Dr. Eugene Koonin:

A third error relates to attempts to explain the genetic code in the first cell by a stereochemical affinity between amino acids and their corresponding codons. According to this model, naturally occurring chemical processes formed the basis for the connection between amino acids and their related codons (nucleotide triplets). Much of the key research promoting this theory was conducted by biochemist Michael Yarus. He also devised theories on how this early stereochemical era could have evolved into the modern translation system using ribosomes, tRNAs, and supporting enzymes. His research and theories are clever, but his conclusions face numerous challenges.

…For instance, Andrew Ellington’s team questioned whether the correlations in these studies were statistically significant, and they argued that his theories for the development of the modern translation system were untenable. Similarly, Eugene Koonin found that the claimed affinities were weak at best and generally unconvincing. He argued instead that the code started as a “frozen accident” undirected by any chemical properties of its physical components.

I should point out here that some of the articles which Miller links to here are rather old. For example, the article by Andrew Ellington’s team questioning the statistical significance of the correlations identified by Yarus dates back to 2000, while Koonin’s critique dates back to 2008. This is significant, as Yarus et al. published an article in 2009 presenting some of their strongest statistical evidence for the stereochemical model they were proposing:

Using recent sequences for 337 independent binding sites directed to 8 amino acids and containing 18,551 nucleotides in all, we show a highly robust connection between amino acids and cognate coding triplets within their RNA binding sites. The apparent probability (P) that cognate triplets around these sites are unrelated to binding sites is [about] 5.3 x 10-45 for codons overall, and P [is about] 2.1 x 10-46 for cognate anticodons. Therefore, some triplets are unequivocally localized near their present amino acids. Accordingly, there was likely a stereochemical era during evolution of the genetic code, relying on chemical interactions between amino acids and the tertiary structures of RNA binding sites. (Michael Yarus, Jeremy Joseph Widmann and Rob Knight, “RNA–Amino Acid Binding: A Stereochemical Era for the Genetic Code,” in Journal of Molecular Evolution, November 2009; 69(5):406-29, DOI 10.1007/s00239-009-9270-1.)

Dr. Miller also neglects to mention that while Dr. Eugene Koonin did indeed critique Yarus’ claims in the more recent 2017 article he linked to, Koonin actually proposed his own variant of the stereochemical model for the origin of the genetic code:

The conclusion that the mRNA decoding in the early translation system was performed by RNA molecules, conceivably, evolutionary precursors of modern tRNAs (proto-tRNAs) [89], implies a stereochemical model of code origin and evolution, but one that differs from the traditional models of this type in an important way (Figure 2). Under this model, the proto-RNA-amino acid interactions that defined the specificity of translation would not involve the anticodon (let alone codon) that therefore could be chosen arbitrarily and fixed through frozen accident. Instead, following the reasoning outlined previously [90], the amino acids would be recognized by unique pockets in the tertiary structure of the proto-tRNAs. The clustering of codons for related amino acids naturally follows from code expansion by duplication of the proto-tRNAs; the molecules resulting from such duplications obviously would be structurally similar and accordingly would bind similar amino acids, resulting in error minimization, in accord with Crick’s proposal (Figure 2).

Apparently, the reason why Koonin considers that “attempts to decipher the primordial stereochemical code by comparative analysis of modern translation system components are largely futile” is that “[o]nce the amino acid specificity determinants shifted from the proto-tRNAs to the aaRS, the amino acid-binding pockets in the (proto) tRNAs deteriorated such that modern tRNAs showed no consistent affinity to the cognate amino acids.” Koonin proposes that “experiments on in vitro evolution of specific aminoacylating ribozymes that can be evolved quite easily and themselves seem to recapitulate a key aspect of the primordial translation system” might help scientists to reconstruct the original code, at some future date.

Although (as Dr. Miller correctly notes) Koonin personally favors the frozen accident theory for the origin of the genetic code, he irenically proposes that “stereochemistry, biochemical coevolution, and selection for error minimization could have contributed synergistically at different stages of the evolution of the code [43] — along with frozen accident.”

Positive evidence against the design of the genetic code

But there is much more to Koonin’s article. Koonin presents damning evidence against the hypothesis that the standard genetic code (or SGC) was designed, in his article. The problem is that despite the SGC’s impressive ability to keep the number of mutational and translational errors very low, there are lots of other genetic codes which are even better:

Extensive quantitative analyses that employed cost functions differently derived from physico-chemical properties of amino acids have shown that the code is indeed highly resilient, with the probability to pick an equally robust random code being on the order of 10−7–10−8 [14,15,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68]. Obviously, however, among the ~1084 possible random codes, there is a huge number with a higher degree of error minimization than the SGC [standard genetic code – VJT]. Furthermore, the SGC is not a local peak on the code fitness landscape because certain local rearrangements can increase the level of error minimization; quantitatively, the SGC is positioned roughly halfway from an average random code to the summit of the corresponding local peak [15] (Figure 1).

Let’s do the math. There are about 1084 possible genetic codes. The one used by living things is in the top 1 in 100 million (or 1 in 108). That means that there are 1076 possible genetic codes that are better than it. To make matters worse, it’s not even the best code in its local neighborhood. It’s not “on top of a hill,” as it were. It’s about half-way up the hill. Now ask yourself: if the genetic code were intelligently designed, is this a result that one would expect?

It is disappointing that Dr. Miller fails to appreciate the significance of this evidence against design, presented by Koonin. Sadly, he never even mentions it in his article.

The RNA World – fatally flawed?

A comparison of RNA (left) with DNA (right), showing the helices and nucleobases each employs. Image courtesy of Access Excellence and Wikipedia.

Finally, Dr. Miller concludes with a number of critical remarks about the RNA world hypothesis. Before we proceed further, a definition of the hypothesis might be in order:

All RNA World hypotheses include three basic assumptions: (1) At some time in the evolution of life, genetic continuity was assured by the replication of RNA; (2) Watson-Crick base-pairing was the key to replication; (3) genetically encoded proteins were not involved as catalysts. RNA World hypotheses differ in what they assume about life that may have preceded the RNA World, about the metabolic complexity of the RNA World, and about the role of small-molecule cofactors, possibly including peptides, in the chemistry of the RNA World.
(Michael P. Robertson and Gerald F. Joyce, The Origins of the RNA World, Cold Spring Harbor Perspectives in Biology, May 2012; 4(5): a003608.)

In the article cited above, Robertson and Joyce summarize the evidence for the RNA World:

There is now strong evidence indicating that an RNA World did indeed exist on the early Earth. The smoking gun is seen in the structure of the contemporary ribosome (Ban et al. 2000; Wimberly et al. 2000; Yusupov et al. 2001). The active site for peptide-bond formation lies deep within a central core of RNA, whereas proteins decorate the outside of this RNA core and insert narrow fingers into it. No amino acid side chain comes within 18 Å of the active site (Nissen et al. 2000). Clearly, the ribosome is a ribozyme (Steitz and Moore 2003), and it is hard to avoid the conclusion that, as suggested by Crick, “the primitive ribosome could have been made entirely of RNA” (1968).

A stronger version of the RNA World hypothesis is that life on Earth began with RNA. In the article cited above, Robertson and Joyce are very frank about the difficulties attending this hypothesis, even referring to it as “The Prebiotic Chemist’s Nightmare.” Despite their sympathies for this hypothesis, the authors suggest that it may be fruitful to consider “the alternative possibility that RNA was preceded by some other replicating, evolving molecule, just as DNA and proteins were preceded by RNA.”

The RNA World hypothesis has its scientific advocates and critics. In a recent article in Biology Direct, Harold S. Bernhardt describes it as “the worst theory of the early evolution of life (except for all the others),” in a humorous adaptation of Sir Winston Churchill’s famous comment on democracy. Referee Eugene Koonin agrees, noting that “no one has achieved bona fide self-replication of RNA which is the cornerstone of the RNA World,” but adding that “there is a lot going for the RNA World … whereas the other hypotheses on the origin of life are outright helpless.” Koonin continues: “As Bernhardt rightly points out, it is not certain that RNA was the first replicator but it does seem certain that it was the first ‘good’ replicator.”

In 2009, Gerald Joyce and Tracey Lincoln of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, managed to create an RNA enzyme that replicates itself indirectly, by joining together two short pieces of RNA to create a second enzyme, which then joins together another two RNA pieces to recreate the original enzyme. Although the cycle was capable of being continued indefinitely, given an input of suitable raw materials, the enzymes were only able to do their job if they were given the correct RNA strands, which Joyce and Lincoln had to synthesize.

The RNA world hypothesis received a further boost in March 2015, when NASA scientists announced for the first time that, using the starting chemical pyrimidine, which is found in meteorites, they had managed to recreate three key components of DNA and RNA: uracil, cytosine and thymine. The scientists used an ice sample containing pyrimidine exposed to ultraviolet radiation under space-like conditions, in order to produce these essential ingredients of life. “We have demonstrated for the first time that we can make uracil, cytosine, and thymine, all three components of RNA and DNA, non-biologically in a laboratory under conditions found in space,” said Michel Nuevo, research scientist at NASA’s Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California. “We are showing that these laboratory processes, which simulate conditions in outer space, can make several fundamental building blocks used by living organisms on Earth.”

As if that were not enough, more good news for the hypothesis emerged in 2016. RNA is composed of four different chemical building blocks: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and uracil (U). Back in 2009, a team of researchers led by John Sutherland showed a plausible series of chemical steps which might have given rise to cytosine and uracil, which are also known as pyrimidines, on the primordial Earth.However, Sutherland’s team wasn’t able to explain the origin of RNA’s purine building blocks, adenine and guanine. At last, a team of chemists led by Thomas Carell, at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich in Germany, has filled in this gap in scientists’ knowledge. They’ve found a synthetic route for making purines. To be sure, problems remain, as reporter Robert Service notes in a recent article in Science magazine (‘RNA world’ inches closer to explaining origins of life, May 12, 2016):

…Steven Benner, a chemist and origin of life expert at the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution in Alachua, Florida… agrees that the newly suggested purine synthesis is a “major step forward” for the field. But even if it’s correct, he says, the chemical conditions that gave rise to the purines still don’t match those that Sutherland’s group suggests may have led to the pyrimidines. So just how As, Gs, Cs, and Us would have ended up together isn’t yet clear. And even if all the RNA bases were in the same place at the same time, it’s still not obvious what drove the bases to link up to form full-fledged RNAs, Benner says.

I conclude that whatever difficulties attend the RNA World hypothesis, they are not fatal ones. Miller’s case for the intelligent design of life is far from closed.

Conclusion

James M. Tour is a synthetic organic chemist, specializing in nanotechnology. Dr. Tour is the T. T. and W. F. Chao Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering, and Professor of Computer Science at Rice University in Houston, Texas. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

At the beginning of this post, I invited my readers to consider the question of whether Dr. Miller has made a strong scientific case for Intelligent Design. Now, I would happily grant that he has highlighted a number of difficulties for any naturalistic theory of the origin of life. But I believe I have shown that Dr. Miller’s positive case for Intelligent Design consists largely of trying to put a full stop where science leaves a comma. Dr. Miller seems to have ignored recent developments in the field of origin-of-life research, which remove at least some of the difficulties he alludes to in his articles. I think an unbiased reader would have to conclude that Miller has failed to demonstrate, to even a high degree of probability, the need for a Designer of life.

I’d like to finish with two quotes from an online essay (Origin of Life, Intelligent Design, Evolution, Creation and Faith) by Dr. James Tour, a very fair-minded chemist who has written a lot about the origin of life:

I have been labeled as an Intelligent Design (sometimes called “ID”) proponent. I am not. I do not know how to use science to prove intelligent design although some others might. I am sympathetic to the arguments and I find some of them intriguing, but I prefer to be free of that intelligent design label. As a modern-day scientist, I do not know how to prove intelligent design using my most sophisticated analytical tools— the canonical tools are, by their own admission, inadequate to answer the intelligent design question. I cannot lay the issue at the doorstep of a benevolent creator or even an impersonal intelligent designer. All I can presently say is that my chemical tools do not permit my assessment of intelligent design.

and

Those who think scientists understand the issues of prebiotic chemistry are wholly misinformed. Nobody understands them. Maybe one day we will. But that day is far from today.

Amen to both.

528 thoughts on “Recycling bad arguments: ENV on the origin of life

  1. walto: The point is that the real dread is not of “the spiritual world.” It’s of disappearing into nothingness. The spiritual world is a sop for scaredy cats.

    It would have been better if you had formatted this so that it was clear that I and not Rumraket provided the quote.

    Anyway, if disappearing into nothingness were such a dread we would be afraid to go to sleep every night. There are very many people who when reality gets too much for them would like nothing better than to go to sleep and not wake up.
    Notwithstanding whether you think it is a fiction or not, if you knew that you had to go through the same trials and experiences as Christ would you not prefer to just go to sleep and not wake up? Surely it is the easier option.

  2. CharlieM,

    Instead of these absurd speculations that most people think it’s better to disappear from their loved ones along with all their memories than to be unhappy, or of nonsensical ruminations regarding how people (who have reason to believe they won’t “die before they wake”) mostly would prefer not to wake up if they had a bad day at work, why not just admit what YOU are really afraid of in your own case? I take it you might actually have some idea about that.

    Be honest now Charlie, it’s not a fear of permanent punishment, is it? Spirits? The stink of Brimstone? That’s not what you told your shrink about, was it? That’s not what wakes you in the middle of the night in utter terror, right? That’s not what appealed to you about Steiner.

  3. CharlieM: It would have been better if you had formatted this so that it was clear that I and not Rumraket provided the quote.

    Anyway, if disappearing into nothingness were such a dread we would be afraid to go to sleep every night.

    We expect to wake up.

    There are very many people who when reality gets too much for them would like nothing better than to go to sleep and not wake up.

    Very many might hope to leave this life for a better one, to be rid of pain.

    Notwithstanding whether you think it is a fiction or not, if you knew that you had to go through the same trials and experiences as Christ would you not prefer to just go to sleep and not wake up?

    It was His choice.

    Surely it is the easier option.

    Only if one was destined for eternal punishment, if you are destined for a paradise enduring temporary pain would be much easier.

  4. CharlieM:
    In case you missed it, Michael Marshall. belives the case can be argued.

    “Arguably there can be no life without cells”

    Once again, the creator seems to have to operate within externally imposed constraints.

    How odd.

  5. CharlieM: The properties of water is not contained in the properties of hydrogen nor oxygen, and likewise the properties of living substance is not contained in the properties of molecules nor elements.

    This is not the analogy you want to use for your position. We can, in fact, explain the properties of water in terms of the properties of oxygen and hydrogen. (Just FYI, this is covered in most first-year college chemistry courses.)

    If you want to claim that we cannot explain the properties of “life” in terms of the properties of molecules, the analogy with water won’t do the work.

    (I put ‘life’ in scare-quotes here because a good deal here depends on whether one thinks that everything alive is either a cell or composed of cells. If you think that stars and galaxies can be alive without being made of cells, you don’t have a complaint with Darwinism; you have a complaint with the past two hundred years of science.)

  6. walto: The sad truth (as if you cared) is that Steiner, like you and millions of others, was filled with dread at the idea of NOT EXISTING AT ALL. And so made up a bunch of ridiculous stories to make him and a small band of gullible followers (like you, but unlike most of the millions of others) feel better.

    Just wanted to point out that the possibility of non-existence is not a source of anxiety for Buddhists — but on the contrary.

  7. Fair Witness: Once again, the creator seems to have to operate within externally imposed constraints.

    How odd.

    It’s not odd if the designer is not the God of the philosophers.

  8. Kantian Naturalist: Just wanted to point out that the possibility of non-existence is not a source of anxiety for Buddhists — but on the contrary.

    FWIW, I think Buddhism is a bit mercurial on the subject, myself. It depends which Buddhist you talk to about, e.g., reincarnation, satori, sadhana.

    All is bliss, you know?

  9. walto: FWIW, I think Buddhism is a bit mercurial on the subject, myself. It depends which Buddhist you talk to about, e.g., reincarnation, satori, sadhana.

    That’s a reasonable criticism, certainly. I only brought up Buddhism because I think that lots of folks (and not just at TSZ) tend to think with a very broad brush — like talking about “religion” when they are only referring to Christianity, or talking about “Christianity” when they are only referring to very specific versions of Christianity.

  10. Hi Rumraket,

    Thanks very much for alerting me to those two papers suggesting that the ribosome itself is a distant descendant of the first RNA replicating molecule. Cheers.

  11. Kantian Naturalist: That’s a reasonable criticism, certainly. I only brought up Buddhism because I think that lots of folks (and not just at TSZ) tend to think with a very broad brush — like talking about “religion” when they are only referring to Christianity, or talking about “Christianity” when they are only referring to very specific versions of Christianity.

    I try to qualify my comments with “revealed religion,” or Abrahamic religion.

    But qualifying every comment gets tiresome.

  12. Kantian Naturalist: It’s not odd if the designer is not the God of the philosophers.

    Which leads me to ask what is it that designer is supposed to have done? Started life? Keeps poking at life? The poking option seems to require serious supernatural type powers.

    That’s all I’ve really been asking phoodoo for example. Did his god create life and then leave it alone, or does it actively ensure dangerous parasites are able to continue to infect us? Or set it all going at the big bang? Or what?
    Tweaker or theistic evolution via intelligent designer is all I’m asking. And he’ll never say I’m quite sure 😛

  13. OMagain: Which leads me to ask what is it that designer is supposed to have done? Started life? Keeps poking at life? The poking option seems to require serious supernatural type powers.

    That’s all I’ve really been asking phoodoo for example. Did his god create life and then leave it alone, or does it actively ensure dangerous parasites are able to continue to infect us? Or set it all going at the big bang? Or what?
    Tweaker or theistic evolution via intelligent designer is all I’m asking. And he’ll never say I’m quite sure

    Well, this is the bait-and-switch of the ID position. The designer is invoked to do everything that the laws of physics and chemistry can’t do. But how do we know what the laws of physics and chemistry can’t do? That’s obvious — they can’t do anything that obviously required a designer. All the talk of “specified complexity” or “functional information” is just a rhetorical dodge that conceals the circular reasoning.

    As a result, the designer gets called upon do all sorts of things: cause the universe with its fine-tuned laws to come into being, cause life to emerge (but why does life require another intervention if the laws of the universe are already fine-tuned for life?), turn prokaryotes into eukaryotes, create novel metazoan body-plans at the phylum level, and also — of course! — get from hominoids to humans.

    To do all this, the designer cannot be completely determined by the laws of physics and chemistry. So it must be non-physical or ‘supernatural’.

    But it also cannot be a Creator in the theistic sense, since the Creator isn’t constrained by material that confronts it. The designer is given some externally imposed constraints, and has to operate intelligently within those constraints in order to implement what it intends to produce.

    In short, the Designer is like the Demiurge of Plato’s Timaeus. The Designer might be wholly amoral, or it may be downright evil — as believed by the Gnostics.

    It’s actually a bit surprising that the ID movement hasn’t led to a resurgence of Gnosticism. The socio-political conditions are ripe for an apocalyptic doomsday cult.

  14. Kantian Naturalist: In short, the Designer is like the Demiurge of Plato’s Timaeus. The Designer might be wholly amoral, or it may be downright evil — as believed by the Gnostics.

    And the Cathars neatly sidestepped the problem of “evil” by claiming this world was a creation of the Devil and withdrawal from all worldly temptation – effectively suicide – was the route to the real world of God. Understandably, the concept died out.

  15. Alan Fox: And the Cathars neatly sidestepped the problem of “evil” by claiming this world was a creation of the Devil and withdrawal from all worldly temptation – effectively suicide – was the route to the real world of God. Understandably, the concept died out.

    Yes, the Cathars abstained from reproductive sex on the grounds that they shouldn’t trap any more souls in prisons of evil matter. They had a holy rite called the endura: suicide by starvation.

    But they didn’t die out entirely. There’s some evidence suggesting that the Cathars were an influence on the occult beliefs that fed into Nazism. Some Nazis held that there were only two pure races: the Aryans and the Jews. All other races were mixed. The Aryans were purely good and the Jews were purely evil. This dichotomy gave a metaphysical twist to the standard anti-semitic association of Jews with money, capitalism, business — all that material stuff. Within the terms of Nazi ideology, the Holocaust is about restoring balance to the Force.

  16. Kantian Naturalist: But it also cannot be a Creator in the theistic sense, since the Creator isn’t constrained by material that confronts it. The designer is given some externally imposed constraints, and has to operate intelligently within those constraints in order to implement what it intends to produce.

    Thank you KN, this is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind when I was arguing with Vincent that if the fine tuning argument had some footing, then the “designer” of the universe couldn’t be the designer of the laws themselves, since those would have necessarily been imposed to her.

    That’s a God that can’t explain the natural world. Isn’t it?

  17. Kantian Naturalist,

    Well, this is the bait-and-switch of the ID position. The designer is invoked to do everything that the laws of physics and chemistry can’t do. But how do we know what the laws of physics and chemistry can’t do? That’s obvious — they can’t do anything that obviously required a designer. All the talk of “specified complexity” or “functional information” is just a rhetorical dodge that conceals the circular reasoning.

    As a result, the designer gets called upon do all sorts of things: cause the universe with its fine-tuned laws to come into being, cause life to emerge (but why does life require another intervention if the laws of the universe are already fine-tuned for life?), turn prokaryotes into eukaryotes, create novel metazoan body-plans at the phylum level, and also — of course! — get from hominoids to humans.

    Do you have an opinion whether we live in a created universe (requiring intelligence) or that intelligence evolved through a set of random changes directed by the laws of nature?

    Do you have an opinion whether matter and the laws of nature required intelligent creation?

    (but why does life require another intervention if the laws of the universe are already fine-tuned for life?), turn prokaryotes into eukaryotes, create novel metazoan body-plans at the phylum level, and also — of course! — get from hominoids to humans

    If the laws of nature cannot ultimately account for genetic information and cellular organization then it requires fine tuning plus information and organization.

  18. dazz: Thank you KN, this is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind when I was arguing with Vincent that if the fine tuning argument had some footing, then the “designer” of the universe couldn’tbe the designer of the laws themselves, sincethose would have necessarily been imposed to her.

    That’s a God that can’t explain the natural world. Isn’t it?

    Right. The Designer must have been a god, but it couldn’t have been God.

    One might think here of Marduk creating the earth and heavens from the halved carcass of the dragon Tiamat, or Odin and his brothers creating Midgard from the body of the slain giant Ymir.

    Steven Fuller has a nice quip — that for ID, biology is divine technology.

    My consideration here is that since every designer is constrained by the material properties of the raw materials that are shaped or modified in the design process, and hence cannot be creating ex nihilo, then if biology is divine technology, then it is the technology of a pagan god.

  19. colewd: If the laws of nature cannot ultimately account for genetic information and cellular organization then it requires fine tuning plus information and organization.

    Just because you can type “if” and “then” doesn’t mean you’re able to make a logical argument. Unsurprisingly you missed the point completely

  20. Kantian Naturalist: My consideration here is that since every designer is constrained by the material properties of the raw materials that are shaped or modified in the design process, and hence cannot be creating ex nihilo, then if biology is divine technology, then it is the technology of a pagan god.

    Seems to me classical theism lost the epistemological battle to science, and all IDists could come up with was to demote God to the level of a part time incompetent handyman

  21. Kantian Naturalist: There’s some evidence suggesting that the Cathars were an influence on the occult beliefs that fed into Nazism.

    I’ve heard the Nazis were looking for something in the Languedoc prior to their expulsion. The Ark, the Holy Grail, who knows.

  22. dazz: …all IDists could come up with was to demote God to the level of a part time incompetent handyman

    It was a poor choice as a political move. But the goalposts moved and now you have Trump. The US religious right have their new puppet.

  23. Alan Fox: It was a poor choice as a political move. But the goalposts moved and now you have Trump. The US religious right have their new puppet.

    Scary, really scary. And then there’s Mike friggin Pence… ugh
    If someone had told me 10 years ago that there will be a POTUS that will make George W. Bush look like a fucking genius I would’ve never believed it.

  24. dazz: Seems to me classical theism lost the epistemological battle to science, and all IDists could come up with was to demote God to the level of a part time incompetent handyman

    I don’t think that classical theism has lost any epistemological battles, to science or otherwise.

    If ID turns God into a part-time incompetent handyman, it’s because IDists do not understand what classical theism was or is.

    The only person I know of who understands classical theism and also supports ID is Vincent Torley, and he’s been much more critical of ID lately.

    There’s a reason why advocates of classical theism like Ed Feser and David Bentley Hart are severe critics of ID. They understand with perfect clarity that it would be a theological disaster to identity the Designer of ID with the God of Scripture.

  25. dazz: If someone had told me 10 years ago that there will be a POTUS that will make George W. Bush look like a fucking genius I would’ve never believed it.

    No Schadenfreude for me. Post Brexit, I too am suffering from buyers remorse. And I voted to remain in the EU so it wasn’t even my own remorse! 🙁

  26. Kantian Naturalist: There’s a reason why advocates of classical theism like Ed Feser and David Bentley Hart are severe critics of ID. They understand with perfect clarity that it would be a theological disaster to identity the Designer of ID with the God of Scripture.

    I’m somewhat skeptical that the bulk of, say, Catholic adherents give much thought to such lofty issues. But once folk like Feser begin to entertain the idea that they can reason to their position…

  27. Alan Fox: No Schadenfreude for me. Post Brexit, I too am suffering from buyers remorse. And I voted to remain in the EU so it wasn’t even my own remorse!

    Then it won’t make you feel any better that we’re also having our own struggles here in Spain with president Rajoy (known for many Bush-esque retarded quotes, really fun stuff) and his revolting corrupt government (not so much fun)

  28. Kantian Naturalist: I don’t think that classical theism has lost any epistemological battles, to science or otherwise.

    I guess I just made the very mistake you pointed out early on… in my case conflating classical theism with some other general idea of Christianity or religion.

    Egg on my face

  29. dazz, I’m just up the road from Catalunya. The Spanish Civil War casts a long shadow. On the other hand, Spain’s recovery from the recession (from an outsider’s view) has been impressive.

  30. Do you have an opinion whether we live in a created universe (requiring intelligence) or that intelligence evolved through a set of random changes directed by the laws of nature?

    I would say that

    (1) the only kinds of intelligence that are able to verify consist of certain kinds of animal behaviors;

    (2) we have good reason to believe that intelligent animal behavior can be explained in terms of natural selection and other empirically verifiable causal processes (e.g. self-organization of themodynamically open systems);

    (3) natural selection and other processes are not random in strict sense of “any event is equally probable as any other event”.

    (4) the causal processes that explain biology are constrained by the laws of physics, but there are no laws of biology, though there are law-like generalizations about regularities.

    I would need to think about this a bit more, but I think there are good reasons why we’re not going to have laws about systems that are complex (in Kauffman’s “order at the edge of chaos” sense) and thermodynamically open — they’re too sensitive to contingency.

    If a law is an exceptionless statement that entails counterfactuals across adjacent physically possible worlds. (e.g. “the interconvertability of matter and energy entails that it is impossible for any physical object to accelerate to the speed of light”), then there aren’t any any laws of biology.

    Do you have an opinion whether matter and the laws of nature required intelligent creation?

    Speaking someone who aspires to tailor his beliefs to the evidence, I have no good reason to believe that the physical universe was caused by some trans-cosmic intelligence — whether Marduk, Odin, Zeus, or Yaldabaoth.

    If the laws of nature cannot ultimately account for genetic information and cellular organization then it requires fine tuning plus information and organization.

    This makes no sense.

    If the laws of physics are fine-tuned for the emergence of life from the very beginning of the universe, then there’s no need for any subsequent intervention to get from physics to biology. Conversely, you only need some subsequent intervention to get life from non-life if the laws of physics aren’t already fine-tuned for life.

    You seem to want both a fine-tuning of the laws of physics and physical constants that holds of the universe as a whole and some subsequent interventions necessary to get cellular life started on this planet, and presumably to get life over some hurdles here and there.

    Why both?

    Never mind that there’s no evidence for either — I don’t even understand why both are necessary. If you have one, you don’t need the other.

  31. Alan Fox: The Spanish Civil War casts a long shadow

    Too true, Alan

    Alan Fox: On the other hand, Spain’s recovery from the recession (from an outsider’s view) has been impressive.

    I would consider myself an “outsider” too, just because I know next to nothing about economics, but I wonder how much of that recovery was due to our government and how much was about the ECB buying tons of our debt bonds, and the depreciation of the Euro and crude oil.

    Corruption has been estimated to cost us around 40000 millions per year. No kidding

    Hope you had a great time here!

  32. dazz: I would consider myself an “outsider” too, just because I know next to nothing about economics, but I wonder how much of that recovery was due to our government and how much was about the ECB buying tons of our debt bonds, and the depreciation of the Euro and crude oil.

    I suspect Germany gave Greece so much leeway because they weren’t unhappy about the depreciation of the euro. (Trump grumbles about Germany’s trade surplus) But I admire Spain (and Ireland (and Portugal, perhaps) for pulling themselves together post-recession.

    Corruption has been estimated to cost us around 40000 millions per year. No kidding.

    It’s how the world turns, or a

    Hope you had a great time here!

  33. dazz: I would consider myself an “outsider” too, just because I know next to nothing about economics, but I wonder how much of that recovery was due to our government and how much was about the ECB buying tons of our debt bonds, and the depreciation of the Euro and crude oil.

    I suspect Germany gave Greece so much leeway because they weren’t unhappy about the depreciation of the euro. (Trump grumbles about Germany’s trade surplus) But I admire Spain (and Ireland (and Portugal, perhaps) for pulling themselves together post-recession.

    Corruption has been estimated to cost us around 40000 millions per year. No kidding.

    It’s how the world turns, or at least in my corner of it.

    Hope you had a great time here!

    Cap de Creuz, Empordà, Cadaqués, Port Ligat Dali’s house and museum , Las Ramblas, Gaudi… what’s not to like?

  34. Kantian Naturalist,

    There can’t be physical laws, and also an intelligence behind those physical laws which harnesses them and causes them to do things which defy chaos of the laws?

    For instance, what if wind suddenly created a giant swirl of clouds which spelled out perfectly, in Serif fonts in the sky, “I AM NEW USING SERIF FONTS TO WRITE IN THE SKY, DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW?” Would this be using physical laws, or something beyond physical laws?

    Would this be outside the purveyor of a non-materialist God? Would it be illogical? Would it be foolish for humans to be impressed?

  35. phoodoo: Would this be outside the purveyor of a non-materialist God?

    Who can say?

    Would it be illogical?

    Who can say and does reality defer to logic?

    Would it be foolish for humans to be impressed?

    Who can say but does one have a choice about being impressed?

  36. Alan Fox: Who can say?

    Who can say and does reality defer to logic?

    Who can say but does one have a choice about being impressed?

    Well, isn’t this what KN seems to be saying? He says its a bait and switch of ID. He says, how do we know what the laws of physics can and can’t do.

    What exactly is KN getting at when he says :

    Kantian Naturalist: As a result, the designer gets called upon do all sorts of things: cause the universe with its fine-tuned laws to come into being, cause life to emerge (but why does life require another intervention if the laws of the universe are already fine-tuned for life?), turn prokaryotes into eukaryotes, create novel metazoan body-plans at the phylum level, and also — of course! — get from hominoids to humans.

    To do all this, the designer cannot be completely determined by the laws of physics and chemistry. So it must be non-physical or ‘supernatural’.

    But it also cannot be a Creator in the theistic sense, since the Creator isn’t constrained by material that confronts it. The designer is given some externally imposed constraints, and has to operate intelligently within those constraints in order to implement what it intends to produce.

    In short, the Designer is like the Demiurge of Plato’s Timaeus. The Designer might be wholly amoral, or it may be downright evil — as believed by the Gnostics.

    Why is this any problem for ID? Can’t ID logically believe that God can harness the laws HE CREATED, and use them to do things, that some might be impressed by? Why is this “bait and switch”?

  37. Alan Fox,

    I guess I don’t understand anything about KN’s point. Seems to me God can use the physical laws that exist. He can also use other laws that we don’t know exist. He could use vodoo, and magic, crazy coincidence, and who knows what.

    Does ID need to explain how he uses this?

    Do you understand what KN is getting at?

  38. phoodoo: Seems to me God can use the physical laws that exist. He can also use other laws that we don’t know exist. He could use vodoo, and magic, crazy coincidence, and who knows what.

    God could even use random laws and processes

  39. Kantian Naturalist,

    (1) the only kinds of intelligence that are able to verify consist of certain kinds of animal behaviors;

    I agree from an observation stand point. How about inductive reasoning based on evidence?

    (2) we have good reason to believe that intelligent animal behavior can be explained in terms of natural selection and other empirically verifiable causal processes (e.g. self-organization of themodynamically open systems);

    How would you support this belief with evidence?

    (3) natural selection and other processes are not random in strict sense of “any event is equally probable as any other event”.

    All events are random or equally probable until selection fixes a feature in the population. This becomes problematic where evidence is showing a long journey to selection.

    (4) the causal processes that explain biology are constrained by the laws of physics, but there are no laws of biology, though there are law-like generalizations about regularities.

    I would need to think about this a bit more, but I think there are good reasons why we’re not going to have laws about systems that are complex (in Kauffman’s “order at the edge of chaos” sense) and thermodynamically open — they’re too sensitive to contingency.

    I am interested to hear your thoughts.

    This makes no sense.

    If the laws of physics are fine-tuned for the emergence of life from the very beginning of the universe, then there’s no need for any subsequent intervention to get from physics to biology. Conversely, you only need some subsequent intervention to get life from non-life if the laws of physics aren’t already fine-tuned for life.

    You seem to want both a fine-tuning of the laws of physics and physical constants that holds of the universe as a whole and some subsequent interventions necessary to get cellular life started on this planet, and presumably to get life over some hurdles here and there.

    Why both?

    Never mind that there’s no evidence for either — I don’t even understand why both are necessary. If you have one, you don’t need the other.

    Ok. I think I understand what you mean here; that if fine tuning includes the ability to generate information and organization in biology what more do you need.

    What I am observing is a staging of capability over time. It appears that genetic information is getting complex over time. Assuming this is the work of the creator it could be either front loaded or inserted over time. According to Behe the design inference is agnostic to either argument.

    I don’t see any mechanism in the cells that generates genetic information over long sequences. The adaptive immune system does this through hyper mutation but the sequences are only 5 to 10 AA long. The cell in fact is architected to minimize variation primary through DNA repair. Random change would appear to degrade information unless serendipity was able to find advantage with only a few mutations. This has been observed but only for an in species adaption.

    So if the timeline of the fossil record is accurate it appears that information was infused over time if you believe in the design argument.

  40. phoodoo: Seems to me God can use the physical laws that exist.He can also use other laws that we don’t know exist.He could use vodoo, and magic, crazy coincidence, and who knows what.

    Does ID need to explain how he uses this?

    I would say that ID should be making a concerted effort to do so. Otherwise, the only argument ID presents is “I don’t think YOUR explanation is persuasive enough.” This complaint is somewhat hollow, because ANY explanation is better than none, and “not persuasive enough” can ONLY mean, “not as persuasive as what I consider a superior one.” So what IS this superior explanation, and what empirical support does it have?

    How would you test for voodoo? If no voodoo is involved, how would you demonstrate this?

  41. colewd: What I am observing is a staging of capability over time.It appears that genetic information is getting complex over time.Assuming this is the work of the creator it could be either front loaded or inserted over time.

    I believe Stephen Jay Gould wrote an entire book about this. His core argument was that, at “random” (in the sense of mutations), life is no more likely to become more complex than less complex (and indeed, about half of phenotypic changes make the organisms LESS complex). However, there is a limit to how UN-complex anything can be and still replicate. There is apparently no effective limit to how complex things can be.

    Gould imagined a drunk on the sidewalk. On one side was a building, on the other was a field. The drunk, encountering the building, could only turn away from it. Over time, the drunk’s path ventures further and further afield. NOT because there is any natural tendency of the drunk to head for the field, but because this is the only space not blocked off.

    By analogy, life can only get so simple, but endlessly more complex. And most life today clings closely to the simplest possible (a virus). A very few organisms have become highly complex because they CAN. And even those are as likely to become less as to become more complex with each mutation.

  42. Flint,

    Great analogy.

    Do you think if a drunk stumbled around enough, they might accidentally cause a spinal column surrounded by a series of interconnected bones with hinges to form around it? Or perhaps at least a small wing with feathers?

  43. Flint,

    I would say that ID should be making a concerted effort to do so. Otherwise, the only argument ID presents is “I don’t think YOUR explanation is persuasive enough.” This complaint is somewhat hollow, because ANY explanation is better than none, and “not persuasive enough” can ONLY mean, “not as persuasive as what I consider a superior one.” So what IS this superior explanation, and what empirical support does it have?

    I would argue that no explanation is better than one that is a story without reasonable supporting evidence.

    I grant you that the design argument is limited and is problematic as a scientific argument which leads to deeply understanding the process.

    The story that random mutation and selection can explain the diversity of life is just a story until real evidence surfaces to support this claim.

  44. Flint,

    By analogy, life can only get so simple, but endlessly more complex. And most life today clings closely to the simplest possible (a virus). A very few organisms have become highly complex because they CAN. And even those are as likely to become less as to become more complex with each mutation.

    Until you establish through testing a mechanism that can generate genetic complexity there is no explanation for how how life becomes more complex. Without lots of serendipity random change will degrade information.

  45. colewd:
    Flint,

    I would argue that no explanation is better than one that is a story without reasonable supporting evidence.

    I grant you that the design argument is limited and is problematic as a scientific argument which leads to deeply understanding the process.

    The story that random mutation and selection can explain the diversity of life is just a story until real evidence surfaces to support this claim.

    There are entire universities, natural history museums, and libraries a city block long filled with the evidence. Over 150 years’ worth from dozens of different scientific disciplines.

    If you’re too stupid / too lazy / both to do the slightest bit of reading yourself you’ll stay a willfully ignorant git the rest of your life.

  46. Flint

    By analogy, life can only get so simple, but endlessly more complex. And most life today clings closely to the simplest possible (a virus). A very few organisms have become highly complex because they CAN. And even those are as likely to become less as to become more complex with each mutation.

    Life evolves more complexity when the energy cost of the extra complexity is outweighed by the additional reproductive fitness the extra complexity provides. Life can and does become less complex when the environment changes and the extra complexity now costs more in energy than the reproductive benefits it provides. That’s why we see blind cave fish, flightless birds, cetaceans which have lost their hind limbs.

    Are all creationists so fucking stupid that not one can understand the effect feedback from selection has on evolutionary pathways?

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