Moderation Issues (5)

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  1. Mung:
    My account was blocked very briefly.

    Oh, okay. It seems that the number of scholars is shrinking at PS mainly due to Swamidass’s militia hiding and blocking the accounts of those who expose their preconceived ideas and hypocrisy…

  2. I hold all of PS’s moderators with higher esteem than I hold you J-Mac.

    There’s a real danger with pseudo-religiosity packaged as individualist piety while believing in nonsense, even when that person has some minimal level of scientific understanding. Everybody else is wrong, only that person is right; a religion of one.

    The only ‘militant’ at PS is Patrick the ‘freethinking atheist,’ who puffed his chest up as a ‘militant atheist’ previously, which Joshua approved.

  3. Gregory: I hold all of PS’s moderators with higher esteem than I hold you J-Mac.

    Thank you! I did expect this privilege…
    I guess PS moderators don’t hold you in as high esteem that’s why they banned you…Another alternative would be that you banned yourself…lol

  4. Gregory: There’s a real danger with pseudo-religiosity packaged as individualist piety while believing in nonsense, even when that person has some minimal level of scientific understanding. Everybody else is wrong, only that person is right; a religion of one.

    You’re telling me?! Why don’t you make sure first that you are not a victim pseudoreligiosity yourself?

  5. Gregory: The only ‘militant’ at PS is Patrick the ‘freethinking atheist,’ who puffed his chest up as a ‘militant atheist’ previously, which Joshua approved.

    Anyone who only wants to listen to what he wants to hear is a militant one way or another … in other words a waste of time…Swamidass deserves what he stands for…

  6. “I guess PS moderators don’t hold you in as high esteem that’s why they banned you.”

    Joshua did it himself. I asked the other mods if they’d been consulted. They hadn’t.
    Joshua has his reasons, which amount to my calm, clear & coherent critique making him look bad on his own site in response to him mangling & distorting a certain few terms the way he does. Without those terms, his message isn’t all that unique or special.

    Yet I am not going to question LCMS or call him un-Christian for the way he mixes science with ideology.

    You, otoh, have no honour in the way you attack his views with unsuitable phrases. It lowers you, not him. And you will likely thank me for that too, out of self-flagellation for the non-Christian, non-Muslim, non-Jewish, non-Baha’i syncretist mess of a worldview that you won’t defend here because it’s incoherent, or at least ungrateful. No more time for you.

  7. Gregory: You, otoh, have no honour in the way you attack his views with unsuitable phrases. It lowers you, not him. And you will likely thank me for that too, out of self-flagellation for the non-Christian, non-Muslim, non-Jewish, non-Baha’i syncretist mess of a worldview that you won’t defend here because it’s incoherent, or at least ungrateful. No more time for you.

    I do what I do best: expose hypocrisy whether religious or scientific.. If there were such a thing as hell you and Swamidass would be going straight to it…
    Good bye!

  8. J-Mac: It seems that the number of scholars is shrinking at PS mainly due to Swamidass’s militia hiding and blocking the accounts of those who expose their preconceived ideas and hypocrisy…

    I think mine was only blocked for the time it took the moderator who suspended it to go walk his dog. 🙂

    As I understand it he unblocked it when he got back. Apparently he wasn’t buying into Joshua’s claim that I was “harassing” him.

  9. Moderation issues is meant to be for, you know,…
    Perhaps you folks could take your Emo Philips routine to Noyau.
    Thanks.

  10. This was put in guano??

    The moderators are still trying to kick their meth habit?:

    J-Mac says:
    December 26, 2018 at 5:20 am

    timothya: What has this to do with your assertions about Jerry Coyne?

    Oh boy! I have no time to read the comments for you and explain…
    Good bye!

  11. Wait a second. Jock has just declared that he has the right to move posts that he decides don’t have enough content according to him. Ah ha.

    Ah ha. Ah hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahhahahhahhahahaaaahhhahahhahahhhaa hahahhahhhhahaaaaaahhhh

    The is the fucking funniest post ever posted in the years this site has been online. He is a fucking clown that Jock. Emmett Kelly, Ronald McDonald and Bozo, all rolled into one! Hahahahaha..I can’t stop laughing!!!!

    Ah, hahahaha!!!!

    Fuck you Jock! Is that enough content for you, you drunk Grock Bozo?

    Not enough content, HAHA!

  12. Mung:
    Presumably for starting more fires after being asked to not start any more fires.

    It’s only Swamidassian fires that are allowed to be started at PS. That’s the prize or the price of tenure! ; )

  13. Mung: I think mine was only blocked for the time it took the moderator who suspended it to go walk his dog.

    As I understand it he unblocked it when he got back. Apparently he wasn’t buying into Joshua’s claim that I was “harassing” him.

    Joshua confuses ‘debate’ with ‘harassment’ & ‘abuse,’ in particular when he’s unfit to debate. He’s got the accusation thing down quite well though. It’s clearly massive YEC victimisation thinking that buoys Joshua.

  14. DNA_Jock:
    Lack of content, J-Mac

    A lack of content ought to be against the rules, but it isn’t. And we’ve collectively agreed that we’re unable to change any rules, no matter how much doing so make the site work better for us. So J-Mac’s remark should not have been Guaoned, despite being vacuous and puerile.

  15. J-Mac’s comment addressed the poster, not the post. Specifically, the “Good-bye” is used to say “I am putting you on ignore”, which is a violation of the spirit of the site.
    Such comments get a pass if they contain content. This one did not.
    “Lack of substantive content” is one of the Lizzie-approved criteria for deciding whether to guano or not.

  16. DNA_Jock: J-Mac’s comment addressed the poster, not the post. Specifically, the “Good-bye” is used to say “I am putting you on ignore”, which is a violation of the spirit of the site.

    I agree that “Good-bye” and “I’m putting you on ignore” are juvenile and mean-spirited but at least they’re better than endless name-calling.<bl

    Such comments get a pass if they contain content. This one did not. “Lack of substantive content” is one of the Lizzie-approved criteria for deciding whether to guano or not.

    I didn’t see that in The Rules section — is it elsewhere? Or did I just scroll right past it?

  17. phoodoo:
    This was put in guano??

    The moderators are still trying to kick their meth habit?:

    You don’t know? It’s a retaliation for exposing the impotence of the experimental science to prove evolution….Mindless processes did it but intelligent scientists can’t replicate it…not even one step of evolution.? This is the undeniable proof of a prediction I had made a long time ago when I realized that life was designed and created in top-down way rather than bottom-up by some gradual evolutionary or not processes…Craig Veter is responsible for it and partially Larry Moran…

    Veter said once that to create life from scratch “…we would have to cheat to a degree…” something like that…

    https://youtu.be/xIHMnD2FDeY

    Intelligent scientists would have to cheat to create life, so how did mindless processes do it? By mindlessly cheating for billions of years? There is only one logical conclusion: It had have been some kind of superior intelligence to humans involved in special creation of life…

    I said: “There’s just no way that scientists will be able to re-create life or any real gaps in the evolutionary theory because it never happened…”
    If they could, like making the bacterium without a flagellum to evolve anything resembling a flagellum, that would cast doubt on the special creation processes top-down and the credit for the creation of life could go to mindless processes rather than superior intelligence of ID/God…

    Since the owner of this blog doesn’t care and doesn’t seem to be returning DNA-Jerk can do what he wants…Alan Faux does it…
    Imgine what would happen if Mung had removed the same or similar comment but by say dazz…It’s happened before…

  18. DNA_Jock:
    J-Mac’s comment addressed the poster, not the post. Specifically, the “Good-bye” is used to say “I am putting you on ignore”, which is a violation of the spirit of the site.
    Such comments get a pass if they contain content. This one did not.
    “Lack of substantive content” is one of the Lizzie-approved criteria for deciding whether to guano or not.

    Then several thousand comments are due to be guanoed… Do your job!!!
    Even people on the other side of the controversy are against you DNA-Jerk…

    The spirit of this site? Ha! What’s that? Finding peace between two belief systems?

  19. Gregory: It’s only Swamidassian fires that are allowed to be started at PS. That’s the prize or the price of tenure! ; )

    What a bloody joke PS is!
    That’s why I wanted to be banned there, so that I wouldn’t be tempted to comment there…

  20. Kantian Naturalist,
    Last section (13th December 2015), immediately before the comments.

    J-Mac,
    When Mung guano’ed a comment of dazz’s, he and I had a conversation about the appropriateness of that action. I encourage you to re-read the whole page. I hope you can see the irony in certain contributions.

  21. J-Mac,

    The idea, J-Mac, is that you park your priors at the door. Putting other posters on ignore is rather obviously an example of failing to park your priors. Announcing that you are putting other posters on ignore is the equivalent of [fingers in the ears] “Nyah nyah ni nyah nyah, I can’t hear you”.
    It’s rather childish, and makes you appear unwilling to debate on the merits.

  22. DNA_Jock:
    J-Mac,

    The idea, J-Mac, is that you park your priors at the door. Putting other posters on ignore is rather obviously an example of failing to park your priors. Announcing that you are putting other posters on ignore is the equivalent of [fingers in the ears] “Nyah nyah ni nyah nyah, I can’t hear you”.
    It’s rather childish, and makes you appear unwilling to debate on the merits.

    You’ve embarrassed yourself many times especially yesterday and today…Your attempts to smokescreen them make you look like someone with no integrity…
    Kantian Naturalist has exposed that and won my respect back…
    If I cared I would do an OP and have people vote to have you removed as moderator…
    Since Alan Faux calls the shots it would be just as effective as asking Santa Clown…

    How can you tell my goodbyes = putting some on ignore?
    Even then, is putting some on ignore against the rules?

  23. DNA_Jock:
    J-Mac,

    The idea, J-Mac, is that you park your priors at the door. Putting other posters on ignore is rather obviously an example of failing to park your priors. Announcing that you are putting other posters on ignore is the equivalent of [fingers in the ears] “Nyah nyah ni nyah nyah, I can’t hear you”.
    It’s rather childish, and makes you appear unwilling to debate on the merits.

    What’s the ignore button for? Isn’t it against the rules then? Isn’t it a tool against leaving one’s priors at the door?
    No matter how you answer, it will make you look like a double DNA-Jerk…

    Welcome to reality!

  24. J-Mac,
    The ignore button is provided as a service for those flowers too delicate to scroll past comments they dislike. Its existence is antithetical to the goals of the site, but it is pragmatically provided to provide a quantum of solace to the easily offended. Announcing your intention to ignore a commenter is doubly antithetical, but (as I noted previously) does provide a shibboleth of sorts. Heh.
    I guess your “Good bye!” ‘s could be merely serial attempted flounces. I’m not sure that makes them any more mature, but were you to succeed in sticking the landing, then I admit I would not deem them guano-worthy. If only because “I am leaving” would be considered content, were you able to keep your word.

    I thought that the post I guano’ed was rule-breaking, given the context.
    timothya had explained to you multiple ways in which you were factually incorrect, but ended with the Jefferson quote that upset you. You responded

    Einstein called it “spooky”. He was wrong…I’m not going to ridicule you… You would have understand something first…

    which had just enough content to avoid guano, IMO.
    timothya asked

    What has this to do with your assertions about Jerry Coyne?

    Your “Oh boy! I have no time to read the comments for you and explain…Good bye!” had zero content & addresses the poster.

  25. DNA_Jock,

    Fuck off- Not against the rules according to Jock.

    Good Bye- Against the rules.

    Telling someone you will put them on ignore-Against the rules.

    More opioid fueled nonsense from Jock.

    Think of all of the grant money Alan and Jock must have caused this site to lose….

    Is there a way I can sticky Jocks post at the end of all my posts, I want everyone to continue to have a good laugh when they visit here-Jock the stoned clown. See when happens when you do drugs kids. You can be so funny, unintentionally.

  26. DNA_Jock: J-Mac,
    When Mung guano’ed a comment of dazz’s, he and I had a conversation about the appropriateness of that action. I encourage you to re-read the whole page. I hope you can see the irony in certain contributions.

    I hope you aren’t indicating here that you Guano’d J-Mac’s comment because of dazz’s post that I sent to Guano.

  27. DNA_Jock: J-Mac,
    When Mung guano’ed a comment of dazz’s, he and I had a conversation about the appropriateness of that action. I encourage you to re-read the whole page. I hope you can see the irony in certain contributions.

    Mung:
    I hope you aren’t indicating here that you Guano’d J-Mac’s comment because of dazz’s post that I sent to Guano.

    Freudian slip, perhaps???
    What a bloody Jock…

  28. Jock has no idea whatsoever why he guanoed that post. Maybe it was an act of defiance against Lizzie for not coming out of retirement after her twelfth announcement. Maybe it was all the Vick’s cough syrup shots he was using to cut his glue sniffing buzz. Maybe he just wanted to say fuck this site I will do whatever I want, you think anyone can stop me, I just killed my cat.

    Meanwhile Alan just looks over his shoulder and mumbles, I think I just saw a squirrel. Then stammers, um , the niche?

  29. phoodoo:
    Jock has no idea whatsoever why he guanoed that post.Maybe it was an act of defiance against Lizzie for not coming out of retirement after her twelfth announcement. Maybe it was all the Vick’s cough syrup shots he was using to cut his glue sniffing buzz.Maybe he just wanted to say fuck this site I will do whatever I want,you think anyone can stop me,I just killed my cat.

    Meanwhile Alan just looks over his shoulder and mumbles,I think I just saw a squirrel. Then stammers,um , the niche?

    “Don’t let imbecils ruin your day! If you can, move on. If you can’t, you need to find a way to move on or you are likely to join the imbecility and get frustrated at the same time “

  30. J-Mac: “Don’t let imbecils ruin your day! If you can, move on. If you can’t, you need to find a way to move on or you are likely to join the imbecility and get frustrated at the same time ”

    It’s true! I’m sorry if I wound you up.

  31. Well folks,

    J-Mac seems upset that others have wondered aloud why he hasn’t been banned for anti-semitism.

    viz: (and following comments on the same thread)

    Can the conversation about what some think racism or antisemitism are be moved somewhere else?
    It’s pretty pathetic that admins are doing nothing about the baseless acussations…
    Would it change if I emailed Lizzy and threatened with a legal action for libel?

    This not a hypothetical scenario… False accusation of racism or antisemitism carries the same weight of legal responsibility… It’s administrator’s responsibility to decide that and not ask others what they think…

    Read the thread… some think my comments about Einstein being the hero of Jews was racist and anti-Semitic. I say that these are false accusations and demand this to be rectified…Alan seems lost as the admin and asks others for advise…

    Let’s review:
    First

    Einstein was proven wrong about one thing in particular (quantum entanglement). Some of my Jewish friends reluctantly accept that… If it turns out that he was wrong more than people think, what would that mean for the Jewish people and especially for the scientific society?

    which drew WTF? responses from, I think, three commenters.
    Then this

    When the initial results of the particle accelerator showed that particles can travel faster than the speed of light there were a lot of somber faces among the Jews all over the world…When the apparent discrepancy in the measuring equipment was found I was bombarded with calls and reminders that Einstein still stands vindicated…

    This reads (to me, at least) as an admission that he had been baiting people with his opinion of Einstein’s failure. Why else would he be “bombarded” with calls. Makes no sense otherwise.
    So there’s an “honest opinion” view that J-Mac is (perhaps inadvertently) admitting to anti-semitic behavior. I don’ t see explicit racism/anti-semitic views being directly espoused, rather he is revealing a rather unpleasant aspect of his personality.
    Thus per the rules, neither his tone-deaf pontifications on Einstein the Jewish hero, nor other commenters noting that he appears racist, are deletable or bannable, in my opinion.
    Let’s keep moderation discussions on THIS thread please.
    I’m looking at you, phoodoo.

  32. DNA_Jock: Thus per the rules, neither his tone-deaf pontifications on Einstein the Jewish hero, nor other commenters noting that he appears racist, are deletable or bannable, in my opinion.

    Judaism is a race to you as well Jock?

    Can I convert to being Asian?

    Don’t know much history I guess Jock.

  33. phoodoo: Judaism is a race to you as well Jock?

    Can I convert to being Asian?

    Don’t know much history I guess Jock.

    That’s cute, phoodoo, but I was referring to what others had written when I wrote ” nor other commenters noting that he appears racist”. I did make a distinction between J-Mac’s apparent anti-semitism and the fact that other commenters had called him racist.
    In their defence, I will indulge in argumentum ad wkipedia and note that the 3rd sentence of the wikepedia article on antisemitism reads “Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism”.
    What surprises me a bit is that J-Mac writes what he did, and what concerns you is the confabulation of antisemitism with racism. Really?
    If you knew a little more history you would know that the Nuremburg Laws defined Jews primarily on the basis of ancestry and only secondarily by religion.

  34. DNA_Jock: “Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism”.

    Hey dope, you can quote Wikipedia, and the Torah and The Muppets if you want, it still want change the fact that Judaisim is a religion not a race.

    Or do we just get to choose if something is a race if we feel like it? I changed my mind, my race is now Mormon. So no making fun of Mormons is allowed. But I am also one quarter Yazdanist, 3 percent Orthodontist, 4.5 percent Polytheistic Reconstructionist, 2 percent Polyester, and a sprinkling of Wicca. So no making fun of polyester either.*

    But hey, everyone here already knows that you just make up facts and rules anytime you want, because Alan is happy to have a circle jerk with you and let you do whatever you want. I think its the first instance on record of two people dying and then making themselves King and Queen. So again, fuck off.

    *I reserve the right to change my ethnicity at any future date without warning.

  35. phoodoo: I reserve the right to change my ethnicity at any future date without warning.

    Pity that view didn’t prevail in Nazi Germany.

  36. Alan Fox:
    Just to be clear, antisemitism is a subset of racism.

    Then what about making fun of Christians is that a subset of racism?

    Lizzie said you get to make up any rules you want?

    When will you admit you have been a failure as a moderator and retire for good Alan?

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