Moderation Issues (5)

Please use this thread for (and only for) alerting admins to moderation issues and for raising complaints arising from particular decisions. We remind participants that TSZ is a benign dictatorship, the property of Dr. Elizabeth Liddle. All decisions regarding policy and implementation are hers alone.

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  1. dazz dazz says:

    phoodoo,

    It must be sad to be you.

  2. phoodoo says:

    DNA_Jock: Zero substantive content.
    Addresses the poster, not the post.

    Which rule is that?

    Fuck off is addressing the poster and not the post now?

    Is your severe head trauma caused amnesia causing you problems again?

    Or are you just an amazing fuckwad of a hypocrite, that doesn’t even care how dishonest you are?

    You and Alan want commentators from other sites to come here and discuss things. And you wonder why they wouldn’t?

    The only difficult decision in all of this is deciding who is more morally bankrupt, you or Alan.

  3. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    phoodoo,

    Would phoodoo consider not posting so many rule-breaking comments. It’s making unnecessary work for admins.

  4. phoodoo says:

    Alan Fox:
    phoodoo,

    Would phoodoo consider not posting so many rule-breaking comments. It’s making unnecessary work for admins.

    Would you consider not making up more rules? And then breaking them and claiming others broke the rules? Or how about just quitting as a moderator? Again!

    I will make you a deal. You quit for real, then I won’t break your rules you make up. Deal?

    You have been a disaster as a moderator. How about we just make it official.

  5. phoodoo says:

    What rule was broken here Alan? DNA Jock wholly endorses it.:

    phoodoo says:
    December 3, 2018 at 4:22 am

    DNA_Jock:
    You are correct, phoodoo, that Entropy makes a good ‘thief’ argument, although youhave quoted from the wrong Entropy post, which leads me to believe that you don’t understand the ‘thief’ argument.
    This is his many roads lead to Rome argument.
    The post you quoted from is unhelpful, but pretty accurate.

    Well, so says you honorable moderator Jock.

    I wonder why gpuccio hasn’t taken up Alan’s offer and responded to him here?

    Wait, maybe, maybe he thinks Alan is an Idiot that doesn’t have a hair of seriousness in him. That he’s a dishonest piece of shit. Oozing misconceptions and bare-faced lies that can only pass for arguments to his stupid admirers.

    Maybe, who knows?

    Maybe he thinks YOU are a dishonest piece of shit that oozes misconceptions and bare faced lies that can only pass for arguments to your stupid admirers (are there some?) Who can really say for sure the reason Jock?

    Anyway, carry on.

    Oh, and Fuck off. Or jerk off a hobo. As you wish.

  6. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    phoodoo,

    Well, you’ve been warned. If you can’t restrain yourself, we may have to consider pre-moderation.

  7. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    phoodoo,

    I’d say it’s subject is moderation, so it should be here, plus insult plus zero content. If DNA_Jock disagrees we can discuss with other admins.

  8. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    phoodoo: Or how about just quitting as a moderator? Again!

    Just to clarify, I took a break from moderating (notice the verb) and carried on as admin (notice the noun). At the moment, while Lizzie is still absent, I’m happy enough to continue. So, no to the deal.

  9. phoodoo says:

    Alan Fox,

    Then no to the deal.

    I will continue to call out your hypocrisy and dishonesty, whether you like it or not.

  10. Mung Mung says:

    phoodoo: I will continue to call out your hypocrisy and dishonesty, whether you like it or not.

    Just make sure you do so in a manner that addresses the content of the post, not the perceived failings of the poster.

  11. phoodoo says:

    Mung,

    Why didn’t you guano Alan post for talking about how the Gpuccio would be treated if he posted here?

    I know gpuccio has declined to post here in the past but let me assure him that any comment (or opening post) he cares to make here* will remain visible and unaltered. He should also be reassured that at least two of our admins, Mung and vjtorley**, are, or have been, regular contributors to UD and will, I’m sure, ensure that he will be treated fairly.

    *subject to the rules, legal stuff, spam, porn excepted. Comments that step outside “address the post, not the poster” may be moved by admins to “Guano” but nevertheless will remain visible.

    **Not sure whether Vincent still has posting rights at UD.

    So Alan was allowed to talk about moderation issues on another thread,, but I was not allowed to respond to that? He guanoed my post for saying I don’t think he would be treated fairly.

    And I am clearly right, because people have attacked Gpuccio here, not just his post, and you have not moved any of those posts nor have you warned any of the people who do that that if they continue you will put them in pre-moderation.

    Is there one set of rules for Alan?

  12. Entropy Entropy says:

    phoodoo: And I am clearly right, because people have attacked Gpuccio here, not just his post, and you have not moved any of those posts nor have you warned any of the people who do that that if they continue you will put them in pre-moderation.

    Look ass-hole, gpuccio is not a commenter here, so I can give him what he worked so hard to sow. He earned it by sweating, oozing, dishonesty from every one of his pores. I had given him the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was just honestly mistaken, only to get bullshit as an answer from him. As if bullshitting wasn’t enough, he delivered it with condescending tones. If you didn’t witness him doing so, that’s your fucking problem. Now go fuck yourself already.

  13. Mung Mung says:

    phoodoo: Is there one set of rules for Alan?

    At least one.

  14. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    Entropy:…gpuccio is not a commenter here…

    Ah!

    I should have pointed this out. Lizzie decided a while ago that in over-the-garden-wall discussions, participants would be granted honorary membership and TSZ rules would apply equally. Specifically, this happened when the UD commenter kairosfocus was being addressed using his real name.

    So I did guano a comment of yours that was insulting gpuccio as he is currently enjoying honorary TSZ membership. (I know!) Apologies for not pointing that out. One day, I hope the rules will be reviewed and condensed into one easy-reference section. One day…

  15. DNA_Jock says:

    Here I disagree with you, Alan.
    I do not think that gpuccio deserves such protection.
    Do you have a specific statement from Lizzie?
    I would extend honorary TSZ membership to anyone who engaged in an over-the-wall discussion in an honest manner.

    Entropy was incentivizing gpuccio to join us here, despite what phoodoo might think. By offering protection without obligation, you are creating a perverse incentive.

  16. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    DNA_Jock: Do you have a specific statement from Lizzie?

    Might take me a while to find it. As I say, it was to do with KF and outing and must have been at least 3 – 4 years ago. It’ll have to wait till tomorrow.

  17. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    DNA_Jock: By offering protection without obligation, you are creating a perverse incentive

    I agree. It would make much more sense for gpuccio to engage directly here.

  18. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    DNA_Jock…in an honest manner…

    Difficult criterion to evaluate. I used to think people holding bizarre views must be mad or mendacious. These days, I’m not so certain.

  19. Entropy Entropy says:

    Alan Fox,

    Hum. Well, that was not insults, that was giving him what he earned. But no hard feelings.

  20. phoodoo says:

    Mung: At least one.

    What about the part about you not doing the job you volunteered to do here Mung? This is the moderation section, where members are supposed to be given explanations for moderation decisions and lack thereof.

    You came here to give me your input on how I should post, but you did nothing to address the fact that Alan broke his own rules and you did nothing about it.

    I don’t expect Alan to give an honest answer here anymore, he is long past that-he obviously doesn’t care.

    Your moderation seems to be taking the same standard as his. Frankly, if you had any balls, you should have guanoed DNA Jocks posts, especially the ones where he was insulting you for doing the right thing and guanoed posts that told others to fuck off. Instead you just rolled over on that (just like Alan did), and now you appear to just be rolling over again. Why did you take the moderator job, if you are just going to continue to be an Alan lackey?

  21. phoodoo says:

    Entropy: Hum. Well, that was not insults, that was giving him what he earned. But no hard feelings.

    Don;t worry, Alan was NEVER going to guano that post if I didn’t show how blatantly hypocritical and farcical this site has become.

    Alan allows posters to insult others all the time, especially from UD. He never moves those posts. If he does, show me some examples. I can show plenty of examples where he hasn’t. But of course then Alan just makes up more excuses (“oh well, it also contained content besides the insult, bla bla, what a fucking made up joke rule”).

    So it was just a token move by Alan. He didn’t mean it.

    Did you know Alan is no longer a moderator, he is now an administrator who moderates, hahahaha! Good one Alan. That is your talking point now Alan? You are a noun now and not a verb?

    He doesn’t moderate, he administrates-see the two verbs Alan!! Fucking pathetic.

  22. Mung Mung says:

    phoodoo: Why did you take the moderator job, if you are just going to continue to be an Alan lackey?

    The pay and the power. Obviously.

    Are you referring to this post of yours?

    http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/moderation-issues-5/comment-page-39/#comment-238484

    Why is Alan Fox allowed to discuss moderation issues in non-moderation threads?

    I didin’t see his comment as discussing moderation issues. I doubt the other mods did either.

  23. phoodoo says:

    Mung,

    He should also be reassured that at least two of our admins, Mung and vjtorley**, are, or have been, regular contributors to UD and will, I’m sure, ensure that he will be treated fairly.

    *subject to the rules, legal stuff, spam, porn excepted. Comments that step outside “address the post, not the poster” may be moved by admins to “Guano” but nevertheless will remain visible.

    What, are you using Alan’s excuse that it is about administrating and not moderating?

    If it is not about moderating, then responding to it certainly isn’t!

    Mung, I am sorry to say, you have not done a very effective job at moderating. You let this post go:

    And of course, if Puccio didn’t have a double standard so typical of creotard charlatans, he would realise that if we must show in extreme detail that there’s a gradual path in sequence space to get those complex systems, since he claims such paths don’t exist, he should provide equally convincing experimental evidence that these systems appeared fully formed. But no, he’s content with his IDiotic numerology.

    So you think it is ok to bash others from other sites, so long as they have not responded here? You don’t share Alan’s fake concern about UK libel laws?

    Are you afraid of being lectured by Jock again?

  24. phoodoo says:

    DNA_Jock: Here I disagree with you, Alan.
    I do not think that gpuccio deserves such protection.

    Fuck off moderator.

  25. Alan Fox Alan Fox says:

    DNA_Jock: Do you have a specific statement from Lizzie?

    This is what I remembered. More of a guideline, I guess.

  26. phoodoo says:

    Alan Fox: This is what I remembered. More of a guideline, I guess.

    Sort of like the fuck off guideline? As long as it contains other content its ok?

  27. Entropy Entropy says:

    phoodoo:
    Don’t worry, Alan was NEVER going to guano that post if I didn’t show how blatantly hypocritical and farcical this site has become.

    Meh. I’m not worried, and I doubt there’s hypocrisy, more like some guidelines are kind of difficult to asses. I know this won’t convince you, and I truly don’t care about convincing you.

    phoodoo:
    Alan allows posters to insult others all the time, especially from UD.

    You mean those imbeciles who insult commenters at TSZ just because we don’t buy into gpuccion’s bullshit? Or because we show their hypocrisy and double standards for what they are? Or because we don’t respect gpuccio-the-ass-hole the way they think he deserves? Those idiots who cannot stop insulting people here? Those? You think they should not be insulted back for their imbecility, unjustified arrogance, and lack of self-awareness?

    phoodoo:
    He never moves those posts. If he does, show me some examples. I can show plenty of examples where he hasn’t. But of course then Alan just makes up more excuses (“oh well, it also contained content besides the insult, bla bla, what a fucking made up joke rule”).

    The issue here phoodoo, is that I do not care one bit. If my posts are moved to guano, doesn’t matter I still had my say, and the ignorant-gpuccio-ass-licking UDite imbeciles will continue being the ignorant-ass-licking-imbeciles that they are regardless.

  28. phoodoo says:

    Entropy: more like some guidelines are kind of difficult to asses.

    If you say so.

    You seem to know a lot about asses. Are you a donkey herder by chance?

  29. Entropy Entropy says:

    phoodoo:
    You seem to know a lot about asses. Are you a donkey herder by chance?

    Not a very successful one. Those donkeys at UD won’t stop braying and refuse to move out of their ignorance.

  30. J-Mac says:

    Has anybody used the new features of blocks to create OPs?
    I found it very frustrating as my typing was lagging beyond any reason…

  31. Mung Mung says:

    Type up your post offline and copy/paste?

  32. BruceS says:

    I found it very frustrating as my typing was lagging beyond any reason…

    Moderation question: if one were to use this quote as a set-up/intro line for the obvious good-humored but insulating joke, would that constitute guano?

  33. Corneel Corneel says:

    BruceS: Moderation question: if one were to use this quote as a set-up/intro line for the obvious good-humored but insulating joke, would that constitute guano?

    Apparently not 😀

  34. BruceS says:

    Corneel: Apparently not

    It is intended as an edge case to puzzle the moderators. Possibly a 3D edge case, since there is an unstated post nested in a hypothetical.

    Now I suppose one response in the spirit of my post would be for the moderators to reply that this question will be answered when Lizzie returns, neatly answering a hypothetical with another.

  35. Corneel Corneel says:

    BruceS: Now I suppose one response in the spirit of my post would be for the moderators to reply that this question will be answered when Lizzie returns, neatly answering a hypothetical with another.

    Which allows your post to persist in a superposition of being in guano and not being in guano. How is that for quantum information?

  36. BruceS says:

    Corneel: Which allows your post to persist in a superposition of being in guano and not being in guano. How is that for quantum information?

    That’s great, especially given the source of my quote. I won’t try to top it.

  37. Mung Mung says:

    BruceS: Moderation question: if one were to use this quote as a set-up/intro line for the obvious good-humored but insulating joke, would that constitute guano?

    Always good to log in and start the day off with a laugh. It seems to me that you would be responding to the content, which is within the rules.

    Sounds like it would make a great sig line.

  38. Mung Mung says:

    Ah. I see that creating a new OP is now quite different from before. Can I adapt?

  39. Mung Mung says:

    J-Mac: Has anybody used the new features of blocks to create OPs?

    I have. I did not experience any slow down in typing. Perhaps that is your browser.

    Blocks are just a way to organize your post. They can be a heading, a paragraph, a quote, etc. The + icon is your friend.

    Save your draft often. Use preview often. It’s helpful to switch back and forth between Visual Editor and Code Editor.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

  40. Tom English Tom English says:

    Dear Mods/Admins:

    Thanks for featuring “Evo-Info 4.” I think it’s at the end of its run now. No objections here if you go ahead and un-sticky it.

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