Another deadly virus is just around the corner: coronavirus, as predicted by evolution…
Since it was predicted, what had been done to prevent it?
We have all sorts of experts visiting TSZ, such as immunologists, population geneticists, biochemists, and the like…
What have they done in this field? How about ID?
What are you doing personally to protect yourself, and your family, from another possible epidemic?
I have lived through SARS, wearing full protective gear for many days. My wife was doing initial screening at the hospital entrance, while few months pregnant…
Is same, or worse, yet to come?
What has this virus to do with “Evolution vs ID”? This is “deal with it” matter of fact, not a creation story. Why did you expect different perspectives?
With predictions…
You know evolution predicts things, right? After the fact, Darwinists get close to 50%, or less accuracy… 😆
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441
Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence
Informative read. thanks for posting it, petrushka!
What does ID “theory” predict in this case? Does that help?
Evolution just happens. What makes predictions is evolutionary theory. In other words, the models that try and explain how evolution happens. Just like gravitation doesn’t predict anything, it’s our models of gravitation that predict things like the movement of the planets.
Predictions from models are only as accurate as the data available for them, the degree of understanding scientists have about the phenomenon, and the number of variables that should be considered. This is why predicting the whether is very hard and prone to error (though less and less as the computer models become able to take more information into account and as scientists produce better models of the contributions of each variable).
Gravitational theory can predict the orbits of planets. Since scientists know that there’s asteroids all over the place, they can predict that our planet will have close and dangerous encounters with asteroids from time to time, but, without a map of all the asteroids in the solar system and neighbourhood, they cannot know exactly when, where and which asteroids those might be. Even when one looks pretty close, they might fail to predict if it will enter the atmosphere or pass closely but harmlessly.
So, scientists understand enough to predict that pathogenic organisms might more frequently emerge in large and dense populations, but they don’t have enough information to predict when or which pathogens will those be. Scientists are barely staring to understand the depths of human ignorance about the humungous diversity of the microbial world, thanks to the new sequencing technologies, and you’re asking them to predict where, when, and what pathogens will arise? That’d be stupidly and/or ignorantly unreasonable. Are you ignorant and unreasonable? Stupid and petulant? If you don’t think so, then you’d better be aware that your displays of ignorant arrogance make it look so.
I am sure that was an observation, not a prediction.
Both. It’s been observations, then figuring out explanations, then predictions.
Coronavirus: covid-19 has killed more people than SARS and MERS combined, despite lower case fatality rate
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m641
I hope this is an exaggeration…
Exaggeration of what? I guess we can add basic math to the things jmac does not understand surprising no one of course!
I am surprised at how many people they have found with the virus who have little or no symptoms. I see the first case in Mexico, and yet the guy had very mild symptoms. What I am surprised about is that someone who has little to no symptoms would even get tested. Its good they found them, but most people would probably not bother getting the test.
Don’t be a moron!
If someone has an underlying disease or a condition, or is undergoing a treatment, that compromise the immune system, it’s very difficult to pinpoint the actual cause of death…
Old people can recover from coronavirus, even twice, and young people undergoing a treatment can die…
Google is not always the best source of information, if you don’t understand the fundamentals of human anatomy and physiology…😂
Yes, please don’t be such a moron, jmac.
so? where is the exaggeration?
so? where is the exaggeration?
Yes, that is why I would suggest you not depend on your university of google degree and go actually learn something. For example basic math.
J-Mac,
Also, most of the stats we have right now are from Wuhan, so it shows it affects men much worse than women. I believe that is likely because in a place like Wuhan, especially among older or middle aged men, the percent of male smokers is very high. But in women that percent would be quite low.
I don’t think it is a matter of folks going in and stating that they want to be tested for the coronavirus. Rather, as other countries are currently doing, you need mass testing of the population associated with an outbreak. Obviously if you don’t capture the mild cases the spread will continue unabated. At some point testing will become meaningless as a control measure. The cat will have left the bag long before anyone notices.
Sadly, our country is woefully unprepared after several months of advance notice of this disease. We do not have the capability to test the population. The Vacaville case (a bit close to home, eh phoodoo) is an example. With a reported 200 test kits available in California how will it be possible to test the folks, and their contacts, who entered the community after the meet and greet of patients at Travis Air base by HHS employees. The HHS employees after the meet and greet episode were dispateched throughout the country. Traversing airports and other modes of public transportation in their travels throughout the country. You could not get a better way to inoculated the community and the country with the virus.
The proximity of death to the acquisition of the viral infection might be adequate.
PeterP,
so?where is the exaggeration?
The exaggeration could be, when idiots like you, write articles in popular media to sell stuff, based on ignorance like yours…
It’s sad to watch…
newton,
Yes, but with 80-90% of the cases all being in one area, it is certainly not easy to get a handle on realistic fatality rates across all populations. Plus, I think anyone really knows at all how many got it without symptoms.
PeterP,
Why would Vacaville be close to home for me?
Another issue is that if the cut rate insurance policies allowed in an effort to kill the ACA in the US will pay for testing. If the insurance doesn’t , why get tested if you can’t afford it and it is possible your shitty insurance wIll drop you. Better to figure ,it is just the flu.
I would be surprised if they are doing mass testing in Mexico.
Of course… The determing factors of proximity is what I’m talking about…
It’s virtually impossible to determine whether a cancer patient died of chemo complications or viral infection…
It’s seems PeterP had a test for that nobody but him knows about… 😉
Nobel Prize is awaiting him when he goes public…😅
Google is not a “source”. It is a search engine for finding sources.
stats also show woman are able to fight of respiratory viruses better than men. Woman who have their ovaries removed or estrogen levels reduced fair about the same as men with clearing infections. No one knows why but it has been observed.
Good point!
So, smoking does what to one’s body?
How about habits? Hand washing? Socializing in bars?
PeterP,
That’s interesting. I wish I knew why this one is having so little affect on young kids.
It is sad to watch you in action, jmac.
From your comments it is obvious you have no idea what might, or might not, be exaggerated in the article you linked too. Typical jamc response.
Central Valley rice farmers aren’t all that far from Solano county. You’ve self-included yourself in that group previously.
Well, in this case I am talking about after they have contracted the virus, not about who contracts it.
Well, the cases of fatality are generally beginning with deep respiratory illness, so smokers may have a harder time coping with this. After that it can lead to bacteria infections, because the immune system gets weakened, and further can affect organs like the heart and liver-all places where smokers bodies can already be compromised.
I think it has been well acknowledged that the current reported death rate may be inflated because of the lack of info on how many people actually have contracted the virus.
Thank you for correcting me and greatly (as usaul) contributing to this OP…
I don’t think anybody, but you, knew what I meant…
Great job! Just keep it up! 😉
PeterP,
I live in China.
How many cancer patients undergoing chemo have died from this viral infection? Or is this more of jmac’s evidence not yet in existence?
True dat!
PeterP,
There have been cancer patients. I am not sure how many were undergoing chemo-treatments (or radiation or other treatments) at the time.
It could be both, no?
People apparently do contract coronavirus more than once…
I agree… there’s probably more to negative effects of smoking than it’s known…
Personally, I see it affecting autophogy…
I agree.One advantage of China being patient Zero is totalitarian governments are not hindered by individual choice, you can monitor people buying flu medication, test who the government wants. That might give a pretty good baseline.
It comes down ,finally, to trust those who have experience in this area to gauge ,given our present knowledge, the best estimate. Or like DT you make things worse, he has eliminated the structures to deal with such scenarios set up after Ebola by Obama. Because the were set up by Obama.
My cousin is locked up in his apartment somewhere in China, eating sweet potatos, rice and drinking bottled water only…😊
newton,
There is probably no country in the world that could have responded as comprehensively as they have here. It would be hard to even explain it.
Out of a population sample of 80,000 or so I would expect there to be some cancer patients, diagnosed and undiagnosed, in the sample. The question is how many were undergoing chemo then contracted the virus and died.
That would put you a bit further away from Vacaville than the central valley! Thanks for the clarification.
Well, I do know the fatality rate amongst cancer patents raises to about 14% I believe, compared to an overall rate of less than 2%.
PeterP,
In most age groups less than 60 the rate is well well under 1%.
68 million over 60 in US
You mean now? Not initially, when they had threatened and locked people for raising the red flags about coronavirus…
That is my impression as well and it still got loose .
newton,
Not a great time to have the orange infant in charge.
Not according to the conservative media, Trump is the true victim.
what is the denominator for that stat?
whadda ya mean? We’ve been assured that a miracle will happen and it will just go away! Mulvaney states it is a hoax. The petulant one’s administration is so confident of what they are doing they put a gag order on information being released to the great unwashed. Can’t understand why any of that didn’t reassure market investors!?
They “explain” a lot and predict nothing.
Yeah, why isn’t he feeding the panic so he can be accused of that instead? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Let’s hope the American people are not as stupid as the commies would like us to be… although they did vote for the retard Banana. Twice! WTF? True, both times Banana was paired against commie stooges by the corrupt uniparty.