Will Born Again Christians be the only ones saved?

James Tour is world renowned chemist, who risked his head getting cut off by materialists and evolutionists for making claims and pretty much proving that that abiogenesis is impossible…

 

He is also a Jew converted to Christianity; a Born Again Christian. He seems very sincere to me….

I couldn’t help but wonder if the man of his intelligence believes that only BAC are the only Christians who are going to be saved. After all Jesus himself said:

John 3:3

“Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

If this is true, the great majority of people at UD, including Barry Arrington, KF, gpuccio, TWSYF, News and many others, will not be saved.

I’m just wondering why Barry and others are so supportive of James Tour, BA77 and other BAC, if in the end they are going to be snubbed as it seems BAC will be the only ones who will see the kingdom of God and the rest of so called true Christians apparently will not…

Or, am I perhaps missing something?

88 thoughts on “Will Born Again Christians be the only ones saved?

  1. … pretty much proving that that abiogenesis is impossible…

    I have not heard of any mass exodus of scientists working in that area. Perhaps the claims are slightly exaggerated.

    Or, am I perhaps missing something?

    I’ll note that Christians use “saved” in the present tense, not in the future tense. So I guess “saved” really is just a human invented term whose meaning varies between groups of Christians. I expect that many TSZ participants think it is all nonsense anyway.

  2. James Tour is world renowned chemist, who risked his head getting cut off by materialists and evolutionists for making claims and pretty much proving that that abiogenesis is impossible…

    Religious zealots are the only people cutting off heads.

  3. This was interesting and , for once, the music was not irritating.
    i think i have seen things on him/by him on the discovery blog on evolutionism etc.
    Saved means to be saved from hell/punishment.
    I don’t like Born -again term. i like Evangelical Christian greatly better.
    Born again was used once by Jesus and it means a DNA change that no longer allows one to do serious sin. otherwise someone BORN AGAIN could keep doing important sins in numbers or severity. once saved one can’t do evil.
    Another reason why the most evangelical nations, especially The english ones, were, on a curve , more moral/kind.
    I don’t know the faith of posters on all the forums/blogs on origin issues.
    Yet one is right and the rest are not.
    It doesn’t matter how CHRISTIAN one is if its the wrong equation for salvation. One will be just like the vast majority of born mankind.

  4. Robert Byers:
    Born again was used once by Jesus and it means a DNA change that no longer allows one to do serious sin.

    Are you proposing this as a serious hypothesis? Would you please specify what genetic mutations occur when a newly converted believer is baptised? Is the relevant genomic region highly conserved or is it subject to genetic drift?

  5. There are 3 verses in the Bible that state that a rich man cannot easily enter The Kingdom of God (Matthew 19:24, Marc 10:25 and Luke 18:25). In fact a camel can go easier through the eye of a needle.
    Now I don’t know about the wealth of BA77 but mister Tour, I guess, will be a wealthy man.
    What are your thoughts on that J-Mac?
    (thank God for apologetics…)

  6. Hi J-Mac,

    I found James Tour’s testimony very moving, but I am left with one question: what exactly is a Born Again Christian?

  7. If being saved means spending eternity with Barry Arrington, KairosFocus and BA77, please God, don’t save me.

  8. pretty much proving that that abiogenesis is impossible…

    When did Tour prove abiogenesis is impossible? In what scientific journal was this remarkable proof published?

    Please supply your reference(s) for your amazing claim.

  9. James Tour is a liar for Jesus who encourages students to yell “liar liar pants on fire” to scientists claiming to know the first thing about the origin of life, just to claim the next second that life had to start complex with “carbohydrates, nucleic acids, lipids, and proteins”

  10. vjtorley:
    Hi J-Mac,

    I found James Tour’s testimony very moving, but I am left with one question: what exactly is a Born Again Christian?

    I was hoping that someone more knowledgeable on the theme than me would do it… Maybe with the exception of Robert Byers who I suspect is a kook…

  11. dazz:
    James Tour is a liar for Jesus who encourages students to yell “liar liar pants on fire” to scientists claiming to know the first thing about the origin of life, just to claim the next second that life had to start complex with “carbohydrates, nucleic acids, lipids, and proteins”

    Liars for Darwin could start with the definition of life most of them would agree upon…
    Then, they can try to convince the public why intelligent scientists can’t replicate what sheer dumb lack accomplished by chance and created life they can’t even define to start with…

  12. Acartia got it in one … could anyone here even think about spending eternity with Barry Arrington.

  13. vjtorley:
    Hi J-Mac,

    I found James Tour’s testimony very moving, but I am left with one question: what exactly is a Born Again Christian?

    I found this article interesting:

    “5 Beliefs That Set Born Again Christians Apart From Other Denominations

    Although born again Christians believe in a literal translation of the Bible, the phrase “born again” does not refer to a literal physical rebirth, but a spiritual one.

    The beliefs of born again Christians are not unlike those of most other Christians. The difference is they emphasize the necessity of baptism and acceptance of the Holy Spirit in order to spend eternal life in heaven.”

    https://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/born-again-christians-beliefs-denominations/2015/04/17/id/639260/
    Although BAC probably believe in the immortality of the soul, since BA77 has been posting over and over again Hameroff quantum soul video…

  14. J-Mac,

    I’m planning on going on holiday to Jerusalem and I want to make a good impression. I’m interested in your opinion about Jesus’ preference for male or female asses

    thoughts?

  15. timothya: Are you proposing this as a serious hypothesis?Would you please specify what genetic mutations occur when a newly converted believer is baptised? Is the relevant genomic region highly conserved or is it subject to genetic drift?

    Its allegory. not actual DNA. however itas a complete change of the soul DNA.
    Thats why BORN again was used, once, by Jesus. A new creation also is used as a term.
    Being baptized is not needed.
    This is very needed BECAUSE if the person is saved/forgiven, then how can they keep doing evil and still go to heaven? this should be the non believers criticism, who are on their toes. its like that movie, hm ‘clockwork organe” by the dude who did Space 2001.

  16. vjtorley:
    Hi J-Mac,

    I found James Tour’s testimony very moving, but I am left with one question: what exactly is a Born Again Christian?

    You shouyld know this if moving in conservative religious circles.
    Anyways
    It just mean a person who has faith in christs execution as covering their own crimes and so can get into heaven . Saved from hell..
    jesus used the term once. In our modern world these ‘group’ must segregate terms to make clear we are not those other christians. Evangelical is better but born again is common.
    Jesus used it to teach that after faith, instantly, one has a new created soul. A new DNA in the essence of the soul. as opposed to conceived/born into sin.
    So it also means a boundary is made on how evil/sinning that person can do. They can’t do evil/sin anymore. Impossible. Beyond free will.
    They can only do sin in minor ways.
    Jesus said EXCEPT a man be born again he will not enter the kingdom of heaven!
    thats what he said . Are you born again? Argue with jesus and not me.

  17. Robert Byers: its like that movie, hm ‘clockwork organe” by the dude who did Space 2001.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  18. vjtorley:

    I found James Tour’s testimony very moving, but I am left with one question: what exactly is a Born Again Christian?

    A straightforward reading of John 3:3, in context, seems to indicate that by “born again” Jesus simply meant “baptized”:

    3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

    4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

    5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

    [John 3:3-5, NIV, emphasis added]

  19. John Harshman:
    Robert Byers: its like that movie, hm ‘clockwork organe” by the dude who did Space 2001.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    I laughed out loud when I read this in the train on my way to work this morning.

    “Clockwork organe”
    “Space 2001”

    Never change Robert, never change!

  20. keiths: A straightforward reading of John 3:3, in context, seems to indicate that by “born again” Jesus simply meant “baptized”:

    3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

    4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

    5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

    Hey keiths,
    I have to admit I’m impressed… I have gotten as far as well…
    However, some scholars seem to propose that Jesus was speaking of two kinds of baptism: baptism by water called John’s (the Baptizer) and by spirit…
    It is not very clear what baptism by spirit was of what it meant but there are several references to it in the scriptures…

  21. Or, am I perhaps missing something?

    You may have missed that even a good chemist can be a nudnik.

    I remember how guilty some essay by D.H. Lawrence made me feel about, um, pleasure, when I read it during my high school years. I guess I should be glad there was no Jesus freak around at the time to use that guilt to pull me into his cult. It’s actually possible to emerge from such sorrows without going nuts. But nudniks are particularly susceptible.

    Well, of course. you get that. I don’t know why I’m telling YOU this!!

  22. keiths,

    For once we are in complete agreement. Had to happen sooner or later, I guess. The Didache, an early Christian document which most scholars now date to the first century, exhorts Christians to “baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” using water (preferably “living water”), so that seems to meet the requirements of John 3:5.

    J-Mac makes a good point regarding John the Baptist. However, his baptism would surely not have been in the name of “the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” It was a pre-Christian baptism.

  23. The new birth is a spiritual birth. One can no more be born spiritually by being dunked in water than they can be born spiritually by having their foreskin removed.

  24. I once had a spiritual abortion 9 months after a massive spiritual blackout. Now I have PTSD and an inexplicable fear of pigeons

  25. Mung:
    Christianity isn’t cult walto. It’s not like atheism.

    Just like the cult of not having the belief vampires exist.

  26. dazz:
    J-Mac,

    I’m planning on going on holiday to Jerusalem and I want to make a good impression. I’m interested in your opinion about Jesus’ preference for male or female asses

    thoughts?

    Are you angry at Jesus because you think he made you a queer? Okay… I get it…
    Here is true story of a boy who grew up in a queer community. He didn’t know anything but queer lifestyle…But when he found Jesus, similarly to James Tour, he changed his mind. He is happily married now and to a woman…

  27. vjtorley: J-Mac makes a good point regarding John the Baptist. However, his baptism would surely not have been in the name of “the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” It was a pre-Christian baptism.

    Didn’t Jesus get baptized by John B?

  28. J-Mac: Are you angry at Jesus because you think he made you a queer? Okay… I get it…
    Here is true story of a boy who grew up in a queer community. He didn’t know anything but queer lifestyle…But when he found Jesus, similarly to James Tour, he changed his mind. He is happily married now and to a woman…

    What are you talking about? I’m not gay. I was referring to this
    https://www.bibleprophecytruth.com/jesus-christ/prophecies-of-his-life-and-ministry/entered-jerusalem-on-a-donkey

    Why are you so mean to me? I was even going to invite you to the trip. Unfortunately I don’t own another donkey, but you can ride my cock instead.

  29. J-Mac: Are you angry at Jesus because you think he made you a queer? Okay… I get it…
    Here is true story of a boy who grew up in a queer community. He didn’t know anything but queer lifestyle…But when he found Jesus, similarly to James Tour, he changed his mind. He is happily married now and to a woman…

    Given his attitude about homosexuality, J-Mac should be happy at the recent supreme court ruling that requiring a christian baker to bake a cake for a gay marriage was a violation of his religious freedom. I guess we all have the religious freedom to be a homophobic bigot.

  30. J-Mac:

    However, some scholars seem to propose that Jesus was speaking of two kinds of baptism: baptism by water called John’s (the Baptizer) and by spirit…
    It is not very clear what baptism by spirit was of what it meant but there are several references to it in the scriptures…

    Ephesians 4 would seem to nix that:

    There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    [Ephesians 4:4-6, NIV, emphasis added]

    Besides, there would be three births under that interpretation:

    1) leaving the womb,
    2) being baptized “of water”, and
    3) being baptized “of the Spirit”.

    Being “born again” wouldn’t be sufficient. You’d need to be “born again and again”, and ba77 would have to rename himself baaa77. (He’d probably get off on the sheep connotation. “The Lord is my shepherd” and all that.)

    Given all of the above, the two-birth interpretation makes more sense: a physical birth, followed by a spiritual rebirth through baptism.

  31. Mung:

    The new birth is a spiritual birth. One can no more be born spiritually by being dunked in water than they can be born spiritually by having their foreskin removed.

    Odd that Jesus was so hung up on water, then:

    5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

  32. dazz:
    I once had a spiritual abortion 9 months after a massive spiritual blackout. Now I have PTSD and an inexplicable fear of pigeons

    Have you tried turmeric for that?

  33. Acartia: Given his attitude about homosexuality, J-Mac should be happy at the recent supreme court ruling that requiring a christian baker to bake a cake for a gay marriage was a violation of his religious freedom. I guess we all have the religious freedom to be a homophobic bigot.

    Thank God!

  34. keiths: Besides, there would be three births under that interpretation:

    Four. Two in water. Acts 19:1ff

  35. dazz: Unfortunately I don’t own another donkey, but you can ride my cock instead.

    “Thrice you will ride deny me before your cock crows.”
    –Red Sea Scrawls 3:2

  36. walto: Thank God!

    The ruling has almost no applicability, but that doesn’t seem to matter to either side.

    The first Amendment Isn’t about protecting speech that is popular and with which everyone agrees. It is about protecting speech that is hated and despised.

    As for the public accomodation laws, I find it difficult to justify applying them to someone who is, in effect, an artist. Snobs may not think of cake decorating as art, but snobs are snobs.

    Imagine someone who paints pictures being required by law to paint whatever the customer demands. Imagine ABC TV being required by law to broadcast a show that its customers really like.

  37. Of course, having a thing for lily-white boys dressed all in green is fine, provided that you merely fantasize about them while having sex with your (female, of course) wife in a “happy” and “successful” Christian marriage (without contraception, of course).

  38. petrushka,

    It has “applicability” to me and my God, whom I’d like to thank for it, if you don’t mind.

    So, no, YOU shut up!

  39. petrushka: The first Amendment Isn’t about protecting speech that is popular and with which everyone agrees. It is about protecting speech that is hated and despised.

    But where do you draw the line? A baker provides a service to the general public. As an artist, can he deny to bake a cake for an inter-racial couple? An inter-faith couple? Can a florist? Can a restaurant refuse to serve blacks (if baking is an art, why isn’t cooking?). Can gay couples be denied hotel rooms? Can a county clerk refuse to issue a marriage licence?

    A baker is not a priest or minister being asked to perform the ceremony and sanction the marriage. He makes sugary, cavity causing treats. If he thinks he has a more important and god inspired role, then he is delusional. Unless I missed the part about the sacramental wedding cake in the bible.

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