I have been thinking about this. Who can one name, who is not in jail, and who would be eligible to be President, who would actually be worse than this moron, to lead the country through this crisis right now? Someone who is even more self-centered, who knows less about the world, less about proper management, who has had more business failures, who is even more divisive, who has more staffing problems, who is more petty, more insulting to reporters asking tough questions, and who generally would fuck things up even more than him? This is truly not an easy question to answer. Any suggestions? I am seriously finding it hard to name someone.
The republicans sure picked a doozy.
Jeeze, Phoodoo, perhaps you can supply us with quotes from CDC and WHO that support your claim of a two month warning. I’m sure the are out there, but all I can find are the opposite.
Why, for example, did the NYC commissioner of health recommend ignoring the rumors of the epidemic and everyone attend the Chinese New Year celebration.
Sure it does , the Democratic Party is not a monolith. And it is certainly more receptive to progressive ideas than a guy in an assembly plant in Michigan. He dropped out after New Hampshire so has not been tested running for office long term and has never held public office. Wouldn’t it easier to steal his idea and get someone with known qualities, locally popular in a state with electoral college ramifications?
Yang is not going to hurt you , but not going to help you than much if at all. Elizabeth Warren is the arch villain to Wall Street , she counterbalances Biden less antagonistic relationship with progressive credentials , for instance. You need to energize your base.
Trump does that through his hate and nonstop propaganda
And how many of the people who support you vote despite the inevitable hurdles.
People who didn’t realize what a menace Trump is, Republican women, the hopeless idiots who voted for the Green Party who after seeing the devastation reeked on the environment by Trump decide not to waste their vote. Some the misogynistic , some of the Clinton haters. Maybe some Never Trumpers. Some they stayed home because the polls showed her ahead.
Who does Biden lose?
A small swing in Wisconsin,Michigan,and Pennsylvania and hold what she won would be sufficient. A complete collapse by Trump and losing the Senate would be a dream come true.
He is inexperienced and untested. Unless they win the Senate in will be trench warfare, I would prefer Warren in that fight than a tech type. I get to appeal but like Beto ,Yang needs to pay his dues and work the grassroots.
The data says not well enough to gain traction among the progressives in his own party to last beyond the second primary. If you can’t beat Democrats, why do you assume those who voted for Trump will be persuaded by logical arguments ? They vote against their interests all the time if it will own the libs.
I think they want someone familiar and normal, a return to adult management.
One would hope with the amount of money spent on covert operations , we might have some information before press releases are issued.
Too bad all the CIA operatives were exposed and killed between 2010 and 2012.
Really, in the whole world or just China?
Google cia deaths in china
petrushka,
The Chinese New Year started in January. So you are already admitting that there were concerns in January. By February the idiot was still running around calling it fake news, and a democratic witch hunt against him. No one says you had to stop public gatherings in January, but doing something would have been a good start. You know, like South Korea did. Like other countries with real leadership did. Not like the country that has more cases and more deaths THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY on the planet. USA USA USA!
Which country acted worse than USA? None. That’s called failure. On the bumpkins watch. Maybe he wants to be know as the countries first wartime loser?
petrushka,
More nonsense. Flight to China were already being canceled in January. There was plenty known in January. BY January 20th masks were sold out in shops all around Europe. Meanwhile babyman was talking about himself, and whining.
Saying google what the cia does is just laughable. The congress doesn’t know what the cia does, and you want to google and talk about it.
NO country has had a worse response than USA. None. That is undeniable. If it started in China, then there are less cases in China than good ol USA. Less deaths. And they have 4 times the population. And on the idiots watch it is still going on, but domestic cases in China have all but stopped a month ago. How did they do it, when the idiot can’t do anything right?
It is impossible to make enough excuses to cover his sorry ass. A war? Then he is undoubtedly the worst wartime president in history. War? Fuck that idiot. Manage the country, you bum. The only people who have saved the country from totally going down the tubes are the governors. Why couldn’t you guys get someone like Miley Cyrus or Honey Boo Boo to manage the country? You think they could do worse than him? How?
By the time of the celebration in NYC, Trump had already halted flights from China.
petrushka,
Well I guess his job was done then, time for golf!
Phoodoo, since you are an expert on what was done in January and February, you can no doubt list the actions taken.
Which did nothing to prevent travel from Europe where the initial NYC/state patient zero originated.
In mid January the cat was already out of the bag in the Seattle area. California infections started shortly thereafter.
petrushka,
Now we just have to figure out why the US has had the worse response to the virus than any country on Earth. Hmmm, why could that be….mysterious. Who to blame, who to blame…? Its the media. No, its WHO. No its the democrats. Wait, I think its Stephen Colbert’s fault. What about Hillary surely she deserves the blame. What about James Comey can we blame him? Jeff Sessions? Biden? Why isn’t Fox news helping me? Fire Faucci! Who needs the CDC? Did we defund the CDC, I don’t know, did we Mike? That’s a nasty question! My ratings are better than the news!
Its antifa, that’s it! Its all the governors who didn’t show enough appreciation! Its Tiffany’s fault! I have total authority, I understand this stuff, people are surprised how much I get it. It’s not my fault, I am a stable genius! Its not the states stockpile, it belongs to the country! It belongs to me. Don’t wear masks, do wear masks, what’s a mask?? Let’s make fun of Asians who wear masks! Who needs oversite? Witch hunt! It’s the witches fault!!
I have total authority! Not my fault, I am huge baby, mommy!!
In feb, the administration was facilitating the shipment of ventilators and PPE to other countries. Afterall we weren’t going to need it!
February also marked the rollout of the adminstratios fucked up testing system which took weeks to recover from. to date testing is still the worst in the world both in quality, quantity and per capita testing…yeah!
phoodoo,
That’s what was done Petrushka!
Beaches open, yea! How many of those people are wearing masks? How many are practicing social distancing? How many have been tested? Who is the country looking to for guidance?
The war president who is in charge of nothing? The war president with total authority? The war president with bones spurs on his feet (can’t remember which one)? The war president who takes blame for nothing? The war president talking about his tv ratings while the country is burning? The war president whining that the governers and fox news ask him hard questions?
https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/florida-beach-reopen-coronavirus-mad-dash-075308141.html
Just a thought. Is the use of ventilators foe CV19 based on peer reviewed research? Has it been successful?
And now you got protests with gatherings of people all over the US, making the problem worse, because there is no adult in charge, bringing the country together.
What is infant orange going to be remembered for during all this-is there ONE fucking good thing he has done? Has he given ONE speech that makes sense? Has he had ANY good idea? Does he have ANY competent people working for him? Has he lead by example?
Nothing! Except worry about how this is going to affect him. What a shithead.
Name one country that is worse? ONE? he can’t even make Iran look worse than the US. he can’t make N. Korea look worse. he can’t make a nursery school in Tajikistan look dumber than the US. Maybe Ethiopia has a worse grasp on the situation? Oh, wait, no. Peru? Trinidad and Tobago? Sorry, USA number 1 by a long shot! Moldova, surely we are better than Moldova, right, right??
petrushka,
You could ask the paint ball war president, but then he would say that is a nasty question.
Funny thing is, half the US cases and deaths are within 20 miles of the NYC health commissioner. The one who told people to ignore the scare mongering and go out and celebrate.
there is substantial literature on management of ARDS and ventilation protocols you might want to explore it to answer your question. In regard to COVID-19 patients progressing to ARDS the use of ventilators has not been a resounding success with up to 80% of intubated patients dying. I suppose success is relative in this regard. Saving 2 out of 10 is better than 0 out of 10. It is a quandary for ICU management.
I suppose you could also ask if the use of dialysis for COV19 patients peer reviewed as well but to what end? Many ICU COVID patients require dialysis but with the observed extreme coagaltion in these patients even routine dialysis is problematic with filters quickly clogging due all the small clots. Then there is the accompanying strokes and other problems associated with numerous clots, e.g., pulmonary embolism combined with ARDS. Heparin managment has seen limited success.
petrushka,
India , with a billion people has done better than the US. Now you are going to try to blame that on someone besides the guy who says he has total authority and is a war president? Excuses, that is all this administration has. Excuses.
Does Biden have a manifesto?
The clip of him doing an AV presentation of his Best Bits is absolutely toe curling. And encouraging lockdown protests (these ‘survivalists’ are getting curiously antsy after a 3 week taster of Zombie Apocalypse!) isn’t exactly … statesmanlike. But hey, broke the mould and all that. November elections cancelled, President For The Foreseeable? 🤔
Why yes he does!
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/
Allan Miller,
But what about her roots?
https://youtu.be/5dbU3p78eAg (about 50 secs in)
Ha yes, that’s my daughter’s prime concern too (she’s inherited the Miller gene for premature greying!) as she battles the endless conveyor belt of new cases with dwindling protective gear.
Oh, shit. I had supposed that I was elevated risk of dying from COVID-19, but without a clear notion as to why.
I was hospitalized with three pulmonary emboli, back in 2010, due to an autoimmune response (antibodies binding to hemoglobin). I take warfarin, and am now trying to get switched to an alternative. There’s nothing I want less than to go to a clinic monthly for INR testing.
I’ve just read a news story about an actor who was treated with a blood thinner, but then had problems with bleeding. Solution: Take him off the blood thinner, and amputate his right leg, where he has severe clotting.
Actually, I want less to die. I’d rather not have to choose between risk of contracting the virus and risk of clotting or bleeding.
So what magic steps did India take?
I believe that warmer countries have fewer cases than colder countries, although it could be some variable other than temperature.
Areas near international airports seem too have more cases.
I could argue that the worst hotspots in in the USA are all one party democrat controlled.
I suspect the biggest factor is how much international travel there was before the problem was known..
Which brings up the topic of why China allowed international flights from Wuhan after shutting down domestic flights.
Also, I haven’t heard any response to my question about how smart it was to allow jumbo jets from China after the Wuhan crisis became known. Who thought that was a good idea?
Yeah it is a shit storm.
From what I read the doctors treatig the actor had tried surgeries to restore circulation to his leg along with blood thinners, not sure which ones, to no avail. When he started bleeding out into his GI tract there was little option other than to stop the anticoagulants and remove the leg. He is really behind the eightball and I hope he, as well as all others, catch a break in the course of their fighting the virus and the impact on the body.
I wish you well, Tom, and hope you can continue to monitor your blood clotting. One test they did with me to test clotting was a pin prick on the ear lobe and timing the time to clot. Maybe a self-administered way to monitor your condition with consult with your doctor of course.
Warfarin is a tricky ride. It is largely bound to plasma proteins, with that fraction not bioavailable, however, any other compound that binds to plasma proteins can displace the warfarin which may result in too high of levels in your body increasing the likelihood of a dangerous bleed. Hopefully, they can find an easier managed anticoagulant to treat you.
Thanks.
That’s an understatement.
Another reason testing a sample of the population is important to get good data.
149 International Airports in US.
One could argue the worst hotspots in US have a Republican in charge of the Federal Government. Or not too may Democrats near meat packing plant in South Dakota. Perhaps actual actions rather than party affiliations would better way to determine who is responding to the crisis.
I agree, in the modern world a virus can spread though out the world as fast as jets fly. Especially ones that can be asymptomatic. Without good testing ,travel bans can only slow the spread .
4,000 people few from Wuhan to US before the shutdown . CDC was screening international passengers from China starting Jan18. First US patient was diagnosed Jan20, had arrived five days earlier. .The lockdown of Wuhan started Jan23 So there was awareness of problem.
Trump, a Republican, Jan24 response” China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
Trump waiting another week to shut down travel.
Why not when China lockdown Wuhan?
The Federal Government in order not upset the newly signed trade agreement?
Public health in the US is the responsibility of state and local governments. Presidents have no authority over such matters as quarantine. They, and the CDC can research and advise, regulate prescription drugs and vaccines, and regulate international travel.
The public health officials completely blew it. They offered bad analysis and advice in January and February . They screwed up the development of tests.
CV19 eludes testing. It typically presents no symptoms for the first week, while the carrier can spread it. Perhaps 80 percent of people never develop any diagnostic symptoms.
There are no reliable antibody tests. There are scant hopes for a vaccine that is more effective than flu vaccines. The virus mutates quickly.
The charge that Trump did nothing in January and February are demonstrably false. As are the implications that health officials offered good advice.
Attacking Trump is your prerogative, but I think it is politically inadvisable. Along with other kinds of attacks, it doesn’t work. I watched the same thing happen with Bill Clinton.
True, though in a case of a national emergency the President has broader powers. For instance the use of FEMA .
Within states, not sure if the commerce clause would allow between States. With the ongoing “grassroots “ protesting that power of the States. Trump seems to be undermining that principle by using the office of the Presidency to undermine the States authority.
If public health in the sole purview of the States , regulating drugs sounds like a public health issue, maybe the general welfare of the US citizens does involve the Federal Branch after all.
Some did, some were ignored, some made mistakes. Curious, how about those who regulate international travel, completely blow it as well?
Not Nancy Messonnier on Jan 25:
“One of the country’s top public health experts, the director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Nancy Messonnier, MD, said, “We need to be preparing as if this is a pandemic.”
A month later, Messonnier issued further warnings. “We want to make sure the American public is prepared,” she said as she feared that successful containment at the border would become increasingly difficult. She recommended that parents start talking to schools and businesses explore telecommuting arrangements. “Disruption to everyday life might be severe,” she said. Messonnier’s candor had consequences; it preceded, if not precipitated, the stock market crash. Since then she has kept a low profile in the administration’s response.”
Someone was not happy about the drop in the stock market.
They being the CDC, which falls under the HHS, a cabinet position in the Trump Administration. No argument. The States still feel there are not enough tests on 4/19.
All the while spreading it to the population which contains people who do get symptoms.
Not yet but several different approaches are being worked on. And the virus is way more contagious than originally thought. Some evidence points to virus is able to reinfect those who have recovered.
I agree he played golf several times and had party at Mar a Logo with an inflected aide of the Brazilian Trump. Also had some rallies where he accused his opponents of blowing the virus out of proportion. He did ban flights from China. Then again, thousands of people were already here from Wuhan . There is always more with Trump.
We know his public health advisors recommended the travel ban. We know Nancy did , and she got sidelined because the stock market dropped. You got a tough point to make that Trump was the victim of bad advice. Good luck. Look at Fox News during that period ,it was pure denial, Trump and Fox, classic chicken and the egg.
He is endangering my country, not thinking I should be thanking him for that. You think not pointing out his lies and ineptitude is politically better?
Worked for Trump last election, though he did have the help of Russian hackers.
Me too, Clinton wouldn’t have survived today.
petrushka,
Let me tell you, I knew it was bad by mid January, and I was in Europe at the time. Now go back and listen to some of the dumb things the so called leader of the free world was saying in February, and even in March, then try to say he was taking is seriously.
But you asked a question, what did India do that America didn’t. I could talk for hours about what other countries have done that America didn’t and still isn’t doing. You know in other countries Everyones temperature gets taken before they go into a building. People register where they have been. Cars are disinfected. Elevators are protected with alcohol. Everyone wears masks. Millions upon millions of thermometers were bought. I bet in India they got fifty million minimum. Communities were organized to monitor people. Restaurant seating was closed. National registries were created. All passengers on planes were screened. Companies have been tasked with checking their employees. Not a single person was out on the street without masks. Road tolls were suspended. Businesses could only have one entrance so everywhere was checked before entering. All public gatherings were immediately suspended. Every school went online. Marks sales were closely monitored. The list goes on and on about what was and is still being done.
But you want to know the biggest difference between every other countries response and America’s? They have leaders. Real leaders! Not guys who make fun of their opponents instead of doing their job. Leaders who speak for the whole country and not just the ones who they think will kiss their ass. Leaders who didn’t just realize yesterday that when you are a countries leader you stop talking about yourself and your ratings, and your sycophant on the news, and instead you unite the country. The orange infant doesn’t even know what the concept of unite means. He thinks it means you give people ribbons.
He spent the first three years in office dividing the country. Inspiring hate in your neighbors. Hate in your government. Hate in federal organizations. Then when it came time to realize the government is there for a real purpose, all he could do was piss his pants and start finding someone to blame. He is still doing that today. He thinks twitter is his best policy weapon. He is a fucking dunce that the rest of the world is laughing at right now. You can’t believe how stupid resold think America is now. They are dumbfounded.
If this guy was in charge of a war, he would be tried for treason. The people who think he has done anything good at all have never been anywhere else in their life. They are just as dumb brainwashed as North Koreans. The worst response on the planet, and you still think he is not to blame. His blame started three years ago.
They made a mistake in the title. It should say odd infant out.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-is-odd-man-out-as-approval-ratings-soar-for-world-leaders-handling-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-04-14?link=MW_latest_news
Europe certainly is a model for dealing with the virus.
And the fact that you knew it was bad in January makes the statements by WHO even more bizarre.
You haven’t responded to anything I’ve said.
Where are the January February statements by CDC and WHO.
Well, Kerkove noted that there seemed to be “limited” human-to-human transmission in her statements on Jan 14th, and the (eight day delayed) declaration of a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) came on Jan 30th.
The White house wasted the next month ignoring the National Security Council‘s playbook.
Why on earth are you asking about what the CDC did early on? Trump fires people who choose to do their job rather than tow the ‘company’ line. You are expecting Alex Azar to suddenly grow a pair?
I did enjoy this though:
I suppose he ignored a 2016 plan because WHO and CDC said this virus had limited human to human transmission.
Why did they say that?
You really need to make a list of the things he did do.
European countries doing worse than the US in deaths per million:
Belgium, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Ireland.
30 of 50 states are doing better than Germany.
Just a thought:
Perhaps the differences are not due to politics.
One last thought: the governor presiding over the worst hotspot in the world disagrees with phoodoo about the quality of the federal response.
Well, they said that four days after the virus had been identified; they were using the best data available on Jan 14th, which was largely based on analogizing from SARS and MERS.
However, I have to take issue with your supposition that “he ignored a 2016 plan because WHO and CDC said this virus had limited human to human transmission.” This supposition is inconsistent with the agreed-upon facts, and falls into the category of Cavuto-style misinformation. Site rules require me to assume that you are innocently parroting something that you picked up from FOX news or the like.
Point One: As I noted in the comment you are replying too, the CDC is controlled by the White House. Trump has a well-documented history of summarily firing people who, in his view, show insufficient loyalty to Trump.
Point Two: Pay attention to the calendar. The PHEIC was declared on Jan 30th (yes, it should have been declared on Jan 22nd, but succumbed to political pressure from half of the governments that fund it. Want to talk about what Trump did to the WHO this last week?) So, unambiguous warning of a global health emergency at the end of January. The question is what did Trump do in February. He ignored the most recent and comprehensive plan drawn up by the White House’s National Security Council because…?
a) he wanted the Stock Market to continue its bull run
b) he did not care about killing tens of thousands of Americans
c) it is the opposite of what Obama would do.
Trump made a list of the things he did do. Well he had White House staffers put together a campaign video that he aired in the Brady Briefing Room.
What he did before March: restrict travel from China to the USA .
Woop-di-doop!
I hate to see if Cuomo didn’t like it
“Growing increasingly frustrated by a lack of aid from the federal government, Cuomo offered his most striking criticism of Trump yet: “He’s doing nothing… All he’s doing is walking in front of the parade.”
Cuomo’s comments came after Trump launched into a tirade on Twitter about the governor, saying he should spend “less time complaining;” Cuomo, who has tried to avoid public spats with the president, responded with: “If he’s sitting at home watching TV, maybe he should get up and go to work.”
He said that telling state governors to handle reopening without providing any additional federal funding is like “passing the buck without passing the bucks,” a comment which sparked the initial outrage from Trump.
Of the three bills passed by the federal government to address the coronavirus crisis so far, state governments have gotten “precisely zero” unrestricted funding. “How is [that] even a plausible strategy?” Cuomo asked, voicing his frustration.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/04/17/cuomo-on-trump-hes-doing-nothing/#2c32487d6f67
newton,
All true, and well-documented. But there’s a sound-bite out there of Cuomo saying something positive about the federal response whilst trying to solicit federal support. I am sure FOX et al have been running that on a loop.
Oh-err. I just went looking for the sound-bite, and it’s far worse than I thought.
These are meant to be briefings, not exercises in self-aggrandisement, ffs!
Perhaps the differences have something to do with the fact that the virus hit the USA much later than it hit Europe. So, for one thing, Europe is in a later phase of the pandemic than the US, and so has higher cumulative per capita deaths for that reason alone. Italy had little warning, and it’s healthcare system became overwhelmed. So kudos to the White House for the China travel ban, but given the extra month to prepare, what did Trump do?. Golf and campaign rallies, WTF?
they (the briefings) have devolved into nothing more than ‘bitch and bow’ sessions that only serveto underscore what appears to be a complete lack of a coherent plan going forward.