Sandbox (4)

Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.

I’ve opened a new “Sandbox” thread as a post as the new “ignore commenter” plug-in only works on threads started as posts.

4,190 thoughts on “Sandbox (4)

  1. J-Mac:
    It has been so devastating that 8 provinces and territories out of 13 in Canada didn’t have even 1 death with covid among health care workers since the beginning of the “panic-demic”. out of 100 000 cases

    Math is not your forte, is it?

  2. J-Mac: “There’s nothing that matters more than our freedoms right now”
    Kelly Ernby 2021

    Yea. She died of covid at 46.

    She was running for congress on an anti-vax platform.

  3. J-Mac: You realize that 80-95% of “vaccinated and boosted” test positive for OmniCon, right?
    It’s time to “find” a “new variant”, don’t you think???

    What are you trying to say here. You keep talking about all these health care workers getting covid, and almost none of them dying ~because almost all of these workers have been vaccinated.

    It’s hard to even find what you are arguing, other than if you are vaccinated you probably won’t die.

  4. J-Mac: If frontline workers dealing with covid-19 patients everyday have about 0.04 % chance of dying from, or with covid-19, and 8 provinces and territories in Canada have NOT reported any deaths among health care workers, this tells you the pandemic is a manufactured illusion.

    Since there have been deaths of healthcare workers in the provinces you have excluded , does this tell us the pandemic is not a manufactured illusion ? How about the mortality rates of healthcare workers in other countries, same as Canada or different? Could the pandemic only be a manufactured illusion in Canada?

  5. Another nail in the coffin of the “if you’re young and healthy, you’ve got nothing to worry about” school of thought.
    Crap.
    The key metric is the comparison with patients who had a pre-pandemic Acute Respiratory Infection : HR= 2.16
    Crap.

  6. Just my opinion, but my experience seem to be the future. Lots of vaccinated people will get covid. And possibly spread it. A reasonable goal would be to have such breakthrough infections mild or trivial.

    And hopefully, antiviral pills for immunocompromised people. That seems necessary, even if vaccines improve.

  7. There’s a lot of internet chatter about the CDC “giving up”. Reducing covid isolation to five, or even three days for vaccinated people who have no symptoms, or whose symptoms have cleared.

    Seem to be making a virtue of necessity. I’d be curious what people think of covid positive doctors working with covid patients.

  8. J-Mac: Don’t be naive phoodoo!
    The so-called vaccines were designed to get you addicted – regular injections every 3-6 months.

    “First-dose vaccine appointments quadrupled in Quebec after the Canadian province required vaccine passports to buy alcohol and marijuana.
    Quebec announced the new rules Thursday, when there were an average of 1,500 first dose appointments, the Montreal Gazette reported.
    On Friday, there were 6,000 first dose appointments, according to Quebec Health Minister Christian Dubé.
    The new rules require a COVID vaccine to enter state-run Société des alcools du Québec (SAQ) and Société québécoise du cannabis (SQDC) locations beginning Jan. 18.
    More than 78% of people in Quebec are fully vaccinated, according to Canadian government data. That’s a higher percentage than in any U.S. state.”

  9. petrushka:
    There’s a lot of internet chatter about the CDC “giving up”. Reducing covid isolation to five, or even three days for vaccinated people who have no symptoms, or whose symptoms have cleared.

    Seem to be making a virtue of necessity. I’d be curious what people think of covid positive doctors working with covid patients.

    Depends if there is a critical shortage of medical personnel at the hospital . In Texas, they just implemented the same policy for teachers , with one exception. Unlike the CDC guidelines requiring masks, in Texas there can be no mask mandates.

  10. velikovskys,

    I am not sure J-Mac’s’s point, but it seems to be, all these vaccinated people aren’t dying-so this must be some kind of government conspiracy.

  11. phoodoo:
    velikovskys,

    I am not sure J-Mac’s’s point, but it seems to be, all these vaccinated people aren’t dying-so this must be some kind of government conspiracy.

    Same thing happened when the polio vaccine was released. Vaccinated people did not get polio therefore polio was just an illusion. It is so obvious .

  12. Alan Fox: How far to the book suppository.

    (my only excuse, the French influence)

    Depository , fourth floor window looks a lot closer in real life .

  13. velikovskys: “First-dose vaccine appointments quadrupled in Quebec after the Canadian province required vaccine passports to buy alcohol and marijuana.
    Quebec announced the new rules Thursday, when there were an average of 1,500 first dose appointments, the Montreal Gazette reported.
    On Friday, there were 6,000 first dose appointments, according to Quebec Health Minister Christian Dubé.
    The new rules require a COVID vaccine to enter state-run Société des alcools du Québec (SAQ) and Société québécoise du cannabis (SQDC) locations beginning Jan. 18.
    More than 78% of people in Quebec are fully vaccinated, according to Canadian government data. That’s a higher percentage than in any U.S. state.”

    Looks like the Canadians are ahead of the curve “ Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants” .Getting the vaccine is just lagniappe.

  14. Guys, there’s yet another viral disinformation piece circling social media claiming that the UK government is finally admitting the vaccines damage our immune systems.

    COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report
    Week 42

    page 23:

    Seropositivity estimates for S antibody in blood donors are likely to be higher than would be expected in the general population and this probably reflects the fact that donors are more likely to be vaccinated. Seropositivity estimates for N antibody will underestimate the proportion of the population previously infected due to (i) blood donors are potentially less likely to be exposed to natural infection than age matched individuals in the general population (ii) waning of the N antibody response over time and (iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.

    My uneducated guess is that vaccinated people with plenty Roche S antibodies don’t need to develop as many Roche N antibodies to overcome infection, is that correct?

  15. Yes, you are correct, although the word “Roche” is superlfuous. They just sell an In Vitro Diagnostic.
    This is an entirely expected result.
    So, let me guess, the spin is that “vaccines interfere with the body’s ability to mount an immune response to Covid”.
    Of course they fucking do. That’s the whole point. I am remarkably free of antibodies against tetanus proteins NOT found in the tetanus vaccine. I don’t have lockjaw, either.
    Morons.

  16. velikovskys: Yes, remarkably small isn’t it?

    Yea, probably not so easy to get a job there just before the President is coming, if you don’t know any CIA spooks, (and you have just returned from defecting to the Soviet Union.)

  17. DNA_Jock:
    Yes, you are correct, although the word “Roche” is superlfuous. They just sell an In Vitro Diagnostic.
    This is an entirely expected result.
    So, let me guess, the spin is that “vaccines interfere with the body’s ability to mount an immune response to Covid”.
    Of course they fucking do. That’s the whole point. I am remarkably free of antibodies against tetanus proteins NOT found in the tetanus vaccine. I don’t have lockjaw, either.
    Morons.

    Thank you! off to tweeter to set the record straight. Truth shall prevail

  18. DNA_Jock: So, let me guess, the spin is that “vaccines interfere with the body’s ability to mount an immune response to Covid”.

    Oh, just in case, that’s exactly right. Far right conspiracy theorists spreading anti-vaxx misinformation. It’s almost as if they’re trying to exterminate themselves, LMAO

  19. phoodoo: Yea, probably not so easy to get a job there just before the President is coming, if you don’t know any CIA spooks, (and you have just returned from defecting to the Soviet Union.)

    It is even harder to know to get that job on the route before it was decided. And to make matters even worse , the whole plot hinged on it being a nice day in November in Texas, or the roof is up on the car. I guess part of the conspiracy consisted of getting a lot lucky breaks . My money is on the Mob, if I had to chose an alternate version.

  20. phoodoo:
    velikovskys,

    Wouldn’t be the first time the CIA worked with some shady characters.

    Just ask Dorothy Kilgallen.

    It does make a more interesting narrative than a loser ,with a mail ordered rifle ,happened to be in the right place at the right time and the weather cooperated . Oswald seemed like a pretty leaky vessel for a vast conspiracy to employ in a key role.

  21. petrushka:
    There’s a lot of internet chatter about the CDC “giving up”. Reducing covid isolation to five, or even three days for vaccinated people who have no symptoms, or whose symptoms have cleared.

    Seem to be making a virtue of necessity. I’d be curious what people think of covid positive doctors working with covid patients.

    Don’t be naive! Fully vaxxed health care workers who tested postive MUST now work with any patients as long as they have “MILD SYMPTOMS”…

  22. petrushka,

    Why would about 78-95% of vaxxed people test positve for covid, especially the omnicon? I think it’s conspiracy but I’m not sure who is behind it … lol

  23. dazz,

    I’ve heard Spain has given up on covid testing… Is that true? We are planning to relocate to more reasonable countrysite… Sweden is just too cold…

  24. phoodoo: What are you trying to say here.You keep talking about all these health care workers getting covid, and almost none of them dying ~because almost all of these workers have been vaccinated.

    It’s hard to even find what you are arguing,other than if you are vaccinated you probably won’t die.

    Most of stats are from before mandatory vaccination which were implemented in Nov 2021

  25. phoodoo: Kelly Ernby 2021

    How would you distinguish Covid-19 from influenza?
    Tip: symptoms are the same, as per CDC guidelines..

  26. J-Mac:
    petrushka,

    Why would about 78-95% of vaxxed people test positve for covid, especially the omnicon? I think it’s conspiracy but I’m not sure who is behind it … lol

    What percent of the unvaxxed test positive?

  27. J-Mac:
    dazz,

    I’ve heard Spain has given up on covid testing… Is that true? We are planning to relocate to more reasonable countrysite… Sweden is just too cold…

    The government has suggested it might be time to consider treating SARS-Cov-2 like just another seasonal respiratory virus, but experts have warned about not jumping the gun. Testing goes on as normal.

    Good luck moving out of wherever you are without a vaccine certificate, BTW.

  28. J-Mac to petrushka,
    Why would about 78-95% of vaxxed people test positve for covid, especially the omnicon? I think it’s conspiracy but I’m not sure who is behind it … lol

    Where did you misread that from?

    You seem rather illiterate. It would be a good idea for you to try these or these.

  29. J-Mac: How would you distinguish Covid-19 from influenza?
    Tip: symptoms are the same, as per CDC guidelines..

    I don’t know, maybe a nucleic acid test, just off the top of my head?

  30. dazz,

    Are you trying to tell me that there is not a long list of countries advertising ‘Looking for new immigrants, requirements, need people who don’t respect the well being of their fellow citizens from their home country, preferably able to move to our country and bring infectious diseases with them. We offer warm weather and no rules. Please apply. ‘?

  31. phoodoo:
    dazz,

    Are you trying to tell me that there is not a long list of countries advertising ‘Looking for new immigrants,requirements,need people who don’t respect the well being of their fellow citizens from their home country,preferably able to move to our country and bring infectious diseases with them.We offer warm weather and no rules. Please apply. ‘?

    LOL, yeah. Maybe Serbia? J-Mac would be most welcome there, haha.

  32. phoodoo: I personally feel like one vaccine is probably even enough for 99% of the population. I think if your body has had any exposure whatsoever to this class of viruses, its not going to be more dangerous than the flu.

    The flu is pretty dangerous, you know. The flu has been around quite a long while, but still people get sick of it, some every other year, and some die. Immunity is not a matter of feeling. I personally have neither vaccinated nor got sick with the flu all this century, but I see what is happening to other people.

    Covid deserves more attention as its waves are frequent. Once it slows down to the level of regular flu, I assume the world will gradually turn back to as it was. There have always been countries where they check your vaccination if you want to travel there. For now the list is longer.

  33. Erik: The flu is pretty dangerous, you know.

    I don’t really understand the point you are trying to make here.

    Especially since you then say this:

    Erik: Once it slows down to the level of regular flu, I assume the world will gradually turn back to as it was.

    Wouldn’t someone then respond to you, the flu is dangerous you know? What are you saying that is different from what I have said?

  34. Entropy: Where did you misread that from?

    You seem rather illiterate. It would be a good idea for you to try these or these.

    Denmark did a study comparing transmission by delta and omicron. Done in December when they had approximately equal numbers of both.

    In their study, omicron pretty much blew past vaccine and natural immunity.

    However, both kinds of immunity pretty much blocked severe disease. Nothing new there. My reading is, even for the young and healthy, the lingering effects of covid are an order of magnitude worse than the worst side effects of the vaccines.

  35. The resistance to vaccine mandates for travel puzzles me.

    There have always been vaccine mandates for world travel.

  36. petrushka: There have always been vaccine mandates for world travel.

    How dare the world take away these people’s freedoms!

    Right now there is this group of idiot doctors in the Uk making the rounds complaining that they are being required to have the vaccine to work in UK hospitals. Its so unfair to them. Their argument is that its their body and they can do what they want. I wonder if they feel the same way about washing their hands before they do surgery. I mean, it’s their body, why should they have to wash their hands if they don’t want to.

    Well I say, yea, its your body, and if you don’t want to wash your hands, then don’t wash your hands, but just get the fuck out of the hospital and work somewhere else, idiots.

  37. I have been wrong a few times and will be wrong again. But will blunder in anyway.

    Omicron doesn’t seem to care if you’ve been immunized, from the point view of infecting you and spreading itself. I got it from fully immunized people.

    Now, it seems likely that vaccinated people are contagious for a much shorter time. But case counts ballooned anyway.

  38. petrushka:
    I have been wrong a few times and will be wrong again. But will blunder in anyway.

    Omicron doesn’t seem to care if you’ve been immunized, from the point view of infecting you and spreading itself. I got it from fully immunized people.

    Now, it seems likely that vaccinated people are contagious for a much shorter time. But case counts ballooned anyway.

    Did they have a booster, as well?

  39. My son tested negative, got the booster, got symptoms the next day, thought they were side effects, tested positive a day later.

    DIL developed symptoms, hasn’t yet had the booster.

    Very strange sequence. But not very unusual. I read about a lot of people thinking they are safe to visit or to party, because they rest negative.

    Omicron can come and go in two days.

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