Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.
I’ve opened a new “Sandbox” thread as a post as the new “ignore commenter” plug-in only works on threads started as posts.
I almost choked when I saw this very provocative article by the BBC:https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59970281
I think it might be an honest mistake… lol
What do you mean? I’m looking at some properties in Spain and planning to visit Campamento soon…
Are you trying to say I can’t leave, or enter, either of the countries without some kind of nonsense???
What do you mean by “another’?
You good you
Nobody I know, or work with, including respirologists taking care of ICU patients, can tell the difference between the clinical presentation of the influenzas and covid-19. None.
The loss of the sense of smell was more common in 2018-19 “influenza season” but it didn’t last with Omnicon….
Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
Good thing the increase of excess deaths has nothing to do with covid… Otherwise…
Indiana Life Insurance CEO says death rates 18-64 up 40%
One man’s nonsense is another man’s prudent measure.
I keep hearing similar anecdotes of friends of friends, fully vaccinated, with mild infection. Let’s hope it’s a trend.
ETA clarification that I meant the mildness, not the infection!
The insurance man believed the excess deaths were due to Covid, and mainly those folks getting insurance through their employers .Once older folks retire many drop life insurance because they can no longer afford premiums as individuals.
velikovskys: One man’s nonsense is another man’s prudent measure.
Perfect! I just hope you understand what it means.. for you…
It must be it. He recommended jabs too. He must be right…
Alan Fox,
Booster every 3 months? That will do it… for the seller… capish?
Insurance deals with probabilities and mortalities. He has a strong incentive to be correct, so between the two of you, lean toward his calculations.
I do, I can go anywhere that requires a vaccine if I choose.
There is an unpublished study yet, that shows not so great side-effects of gene therapies called mRNA vaccines…
Am I allowed to link them? Or, will the admins ban me flat out? If yes, what’s their narrative?
I thought I had seen evil before.. This ain’t it…
I couldn’t be more happy for you i.e. that you exercised your free will of choice.
I’m in a clear.. right?
You’re joking, right?
J-Mac,
You do know that hospitals are overwhelmed in Ontario right now, don’t you idiot? Well, imbeciles like yourself aren’t helping.
You keep vacillating between many different points. I can’t tell if you are saying you hate all vaccines, you only hate this particular vaccine, or you hate having to get boosters of this vaccine?
Are you willing to nail down a position that can actually be reasonably discussed, or is it more convenient to be vague about what you are saying, so as to avoid criticism of your position? In which case it’s no position, so you might as just type rabbit watermelon indigo.
Which part , that people are motivated by money?
I can’t even call J macs point a bad one because I don’t think anyone knows what it is.
I wonder how long they tested the polio vaccine before the public starting getting it. I am guessing they didn’t wait ten years like the anti vaxxers are pretending.
Totally in the clear , just not welcome in certain countries without the vaccine .Choices have consequences.
I’m getting plenty of anecdotal information on Covid. Several friends and acquaintances, all triple vaccinées, have caught Covid (testing positive) but in very mild form. Latest example, my neighbour Phillipe was out for a run and apologized for keeping his distance and suggested I not pat his dog. But he said his symptoms were just a bit of a cough and runny nose, not as bad as a normal cold.
Do you know what a vaccine is? Until you grasp the concept; i.e. the difference between “vaccination” and gene therapies, either with mRNA or DNA so-called vaccines, we have nothing to discuss…
I’m sorry to inform you about that but that’s where it needs to begin..
The second part of your post is meaningless after the above…
You should look at the problem from an unbiased point of view…
Can you remember what I said a while back about influenzas being due to be “resurrected” ?
Yeah, even my colleagues and experts can’t believe that we are still in the lockdown; i.e. following the same regiment, masking, social distancing and hand washing and the influenzas are coming back after 2 years of absence…
It is a miracle and the so-called science if full of it.. lol
I don’t know but here is proof of my predictions long… long time ago…
Influenzas are coming back, after 24 months of … whatever… as soon as the emergency RT-PCR covid testing has been withdrawn..
I’m no prophet.. 😉
Quite.
Unfortunately, you appear to be laboring under the misapprehension that the mRNA vaccines are somehow ‘gene therapies’. Gene therapy is a specific term of art, and the mRNA vaccines are not ‘gene therapies’.
It’s a picayune point, and not one I would normally bother with, but if you are going to drip quite so much condescension, you really should avoid being WRONG…
Oh dear.
Your appear to know less about this than phoodoo, and that’s, err, impressive.
J-Mac,
Oh, I finally get it. You hate Moderna!
Good news, Johnson & Johnson. There you go, your worries are solved.
You don’t have polio, right?
Not is US, some segment of the population is still masking and social distancing , but large gatherings of unmasked and not social distant people are occurring.Schools and restaurants , a major sources of infection are for the most part open as opposed to a year ago. As influenza has returned after an absence of one flu season , the numbers of infections and deaths with Covid are reaching levels equal to 2020-21. If your suspicions are true , how is this possible ?
Seems more like something else is full of it.
J-Mac,
Your own cells produces mRNA all the time you idiot. These are the intermediaries used by your own cells to then produce proteins, which are in charge of too much of your body’s functioning. No mRNA, no proteins, no J-Mac.
Do you really think that your body is constantly producing gene therapies instead, you poor, mentally-challenged, ass-hole?
I think you mean regimen, which is a scheme, protocol, or routine.
Those who follow regiments are known as camp followers, usually consisting of whores and thieves..;.
Jonathan Pie makes it into The New York Times:
Free view (supposedly works for 14 days) OR Direct link
Tom English,
I had the pleasure of seeing Pie (Tom Walker) live in Liverpool in November. I wasn’t sure if his ‘reporter off-message’ schtick would translate to a stand-up format, but it was an absolute tour de force. He kept that energy up for 90 minutes, brilliantly.
That Johnson is still in post is testament to the utter shitness of the rest of them!
phoodoo,
I don’t like gene therapies period. Alternative splicing anomalies are just the issues I care about. Do you?
Moderna was in clinical trials of mRNA gene therapies for the flu when the flu was absent all over the world. So, how could they test their ‘vaccine”?
Do you have an answer?
I’m sure your obvious bias will allow you to answer it…
I’d have been surprised if you were not a fan. I think it was a YouTube recommendation with a “British journalist goes ballistic off-mic responding to Trump” blurb that first led me to him. In any case, I went in with no clue whatsoever that there was a schtick, and was blown away by the performance.
I didn’t know that Tom Walker was doing Pie on stage. Here’s a sample I just found on YouTube:
(It’s from BBC Three, so I suppose that if I have access, everyone else does too.)
Great. So you took the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and all is good right?
So what’s the problem again?
Couple of things. So far, vaccines are the only successful implementation of mRNA technology. Don’t know anything specific about flu, but vaccines have been tested by direct challenge with the pathogen. This wasn’t done with the covid vaccines, but it’s in the works, now that most people have enough immunity not to develop serious disease. It would be useful to develop better vaccines.
Tom English,
Very good. I like his backstory too. He was a struggling, flat-broke actor, couldn’t get work, had an idea for just a one-off thing he uploaded, and the whole thing just took off. I’d like to see him do more acting work – he’d make a great Dr. Who, and Hollywood loves an English villain – but suspect he doesn’t really need it.
I’d recommend a booster but this time I’d suggest a different injection site; such a temporal lobe… just to make sure… lol
I’m a little distracted at the moment with Russia and the occupation of Ukraine, a harmless European country.
It’s so scary. If Putin gets away with invading Ukraine, will he be encouraged to keep going just like Hitler did after annexing Austria?
dazz,
Sorry dazz, while innocent civilians are having their homes, livelihoods, lives wrecked, I can’t find anything helpful to say…
Except let’s support the people of Ukraine however we can and deliver them from this nightmare.
Since updated to Mostly Harmless.
Well, how about much more harmless than America, will you concede that?
Whoosh…
petrushka,
And you even went so far as to capitalize Mostly Harmless…
Oy vey.
All those Russians who stand in the streets protesting against Putin’s regime must be the bravest of people along with the Ukrainians that are putting up a stern resistance.
I was trying to think of what options could be open to these Russians that would not put them in such danger from Putin’s henchmen. Not everyone is brave enough to face up to a thug with a baton. A tactic used in WW2 was to drop propaganda leaflets so that the people in the streets could read them.
We have moved on a bit since then. So all it would take would be one or two files with Western media footage of the horrendous atrocities being inflicted on the people of Ukraine, and the like, to be copied to any old media device, SD cards, pen drives, cheap mobile/cell phones, that sort of thing. These could be left in public places for anyone to pick up. Who wouldn’t be curious if they found something like this lying around? And in the good old tradition of pyramid selling a message asking anyone who watched the content, if they be sympathetic to the cause, make as many copies as they can and continue with the distribution.
I don’t know how many Russian citizens have access to computers or anything with card readers or USB ports, but there must be a good number.
Controlling the media is one thing but it would be much harder to put a stop to this activity.
I fantasize about fleets of drones dropping thousands of SD cards over Russian cities, but surreptitiously scattering them around public places would be the next best thing.
I wouldn’t fancy being a Russian conscript serving in Ukraine currently.
In other news, I see keiths has popped back in at Uncommon Descent.
Those who need the information in those files most would not know what to do with an SD card or pen drive etc.
Most alternative news are spread by Telegram messenger in Russia. Also Youtube is still freely accessible in Russia.
Russians are not in total darkness about what is going on. Older generation may be, but not younger. The more important issue is that people desperately want to be on the side of their own country. This matters to Russians because their country is the biggest in the world by territory, so they want their country to be both big and great. It is emotionally tough for them to oppose their own leader, government, and country, and it’s even harder when you can be jailed for using banned words like “war”.
But overall they know well enough what is going on. It is not hard to guess and, if interested, find foreign news on the subject.