Sandbox (4)

Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.

I’ve opened a new “Sandbox” thread as a post as the new “ignore commenter” plug-in only works on threads started as posts.

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  1. phoodoo: slaughtering innocent people for its own interests.

    https://nationalawakening.org/press-release-uyghur-genocide-and-crimes-against-humanity-credible-evidence-submitted-to-icc-for-the-first-time-asking-for-investigation-of-chinese-officials/

    The crimes committed against the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and other Turkic peoples which should be investigated include:

    massacres;
    mass internment camps;
    torture;
    disappearances;
    forced birth control and sterilisation;
    forcible transfer of children from their families to Chinese state orphanages and boarding schools;
    measures aimed at eliminating the use of the Uyghur and other Turkic language in schools;
    enhanced surveillance of Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples significantly beyond that experienced by Han Chinese;
    repressive measures against Islam; and,
    organ harvesting.
    The evidence of the crimes provided in the Complaint is detailed and shocking. It includes descriptions of brutal torture through electrocution, humiliation in the form of being forced to eat pork and drink alcohol, mandatory insertion of IUD birth control for Uyghur women of child-bearing age – of which there is recent evidence of a major increase, and an estimated 500,000 Uyghur children being separated from their families and sent to “orphanage camps” where there have been credible reports of attempted suicide by the children.

    That’s what you are supporting.

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  2. phoodoo: Carpet bombing with agent orange just isn’t as respected as it once was. Unfair, unfair.

    If we want to go down that road, feel free:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China

    Some of the numbers on there are frankly unbelievable. Makes vietnam look like a scrap in a schoolyard. 365,000 Vietnamese civilians dead? Between 1755–1757 China managed almost double that alone!

    The funny thing is the USA have a list as well

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States

    but it’s mostly deranged individuals then acts of the state.

    And you want to talk about agent orange?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy

    In a study published in 1996, historian Mitsuyoshi Himeta claims that the Three Alls Policy, sanctioned by Emperor Hirohito himself, was both directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of “more than 2.7 million” Chinese civilians.

    You live in a state that places zero value on human life.

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  3. OMagain: In a study published in 1996, historian Mitsuyoshi Himeta claims that the Three Alls Policy, sanctioned by Emperor Hirohito himself, was both directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of “more than 2.7 million” Chinese civilians.

    Oh my goodness, holy shit you are dumb.

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  4. Oh, shit!

    Just published in The Lancet: “Genomic evidence for reinfection with SARS-CoV-2: a case study

    Findings

    The patient had two positive tests for SARS-CoV-2, the first on April 18, 2020, and the second on June 5, 2020, separated by two negative tests done during follow-up in May, 2020. Genomic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 showed genetically significant differences between each variant associated with each instance of infection. The second infection was symptomatically more severe than the first.

    Interpretation

    Genetic discordance of the two SARS-CoV-2 specimens was greater than could be accounted for by short-term in vivo evolution. These findings suggest that the patient was infected by SARS-CoV-2 on two separate occasions by a genetically distinct virus. Thus, previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2 might not guarantee total immunity in all cases. All individuals, whether previously diagnosed with COVID-19 or not, should take identical precautions to avoid infection with SARS-CoV-2. The implications of reinfections could be relevant for vaccine development and application.

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  5. phoodoo: Oh my goodness, holy shit you are dumb.

    Oh because I picked one that was not self inflicted? Shall I try again from the dozens on the list?

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  6. You are right, I am dumb. I should have chosen one of these instead to illustrate my point.

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  7. OMagain,

    If having a brain was a choice, would you choose to have one?

    “Let’s see, I know what I will do, I will just type Chinese atrocities into this thing called gloople, and see what it spits out. Hum didde, dum, didd dum, I am so dum…. Oh look what I found, 2.7 million Chinese killed, Hehehehehe, this will get um, …says here something about an Emperor, ha! I didn’t know they had penguins in China, and that they could kill, but oh well…Life value has no human, or, wait, how does that go again, shit where is China anyway, is it upside down? ..Hmm…Anyways, I hate that Kameel Sung dude, and his sister Kim . I wished we nucleared them again. Dum diddlee dum, Whickapedial is so cool, I think I will get a subscription. …I think we should boycott manila envelopes”

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  8. phoodoo: “Let’s see, I know what I will do, I will just type Chinese atrocities into this thing called gloople, and see what it spits out. Hum didde, dum, didd dum, I am so dum…. Oh look what I found, 2.7 million Chinese killed, Hehehehehe, this will get um, …says here something about an Emperor, ha! I didn’t know they had penguins in China, and that they could kill, but oh well…Life value has no human, or, wait, how does that go again, shit where is China anyway, is it upside down? ..Hmm…Anyways, I hate that Kameel Sung dude, and his sister Kim . I wished we nucleared them again. Dum diddlee dum, Whickapedial is so cool, I think I will get a subscription. …I think we should boycott manila envelopes”

    I’m putting as much effort into this as you are.

    Is parody something you teach at the school for paid informers and trolls? If so may I suggest you take a refresher course.

    It’s also a good illustration of the m.o. of your standard creationist. Ignore all valid points until someone makes a mistake then gleefully pounce on that and spend more words on that they you have up until this entire time responding to the facts that disprove your claims.

    Is that something that you teach?

    Anyway, the fact remains that you have literally nothing to say against actual concentration camps operating in the country you call home. And you have nothing to say because we all know they’d take you away too were you to do so. Whereas I’m free to condemn such camps wherever they might be. And somehow you won’t admit that is the case.

    Just saying.

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  9. phoodoo: You once again talking with zero knowledge is no surprise at all.
    I would venture to say that there is almost no one on the planet who has more knowledge of this subject than I. Do you know my job?

    But go ahead, keep sticking your chin out and pretending you know things.

    I can admit when I make a mistake. I learn from mine. Do you? Can you?

    Does this oh so important job of yours perhaps involves the letters PSI and FBI by any chance? Are you a double agent spying on the elites as they dream?

    What arrogant twaddle. Nobody on the planet? Well, you are a big bag of ignorance on this forum mate so I doubt that you are a world authority on anything apart from the smell of your finger.

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  10. Tom English,

    Hey ho! It’s concerning, but with 30 million+ confirmed cases, possibly 10x that in total, there are bound to be statistical outliers. Let’s hope that’s what it is! It does confound my hypothesis that repeat infection, where it occurs, will be milder, but it does depend on dosage.

    Trump’s immune though, so there’s that …

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  11. Allan Miller: It’s concerning, but with 30 million+ confirmed cases, possibly 10x that in total, there are bound to be statistical outliers. Let’s hope that’s what it is!

    Agreed.

    Allan Miller: Trump’s immune though, so there’s that …

    Yeah, he’s going to be marketing his own line of monoclonal antibodies.

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  12. phoodoo: As someone in the comments said, the American police would have shot her for her own safety.

    Whereas, collaborator, in China she would have been disappeared and her organs given to a high up in the party or a rich person.

    https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/the-people-china-disappeared-in-2018/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2

    phoodoo, as a collaborator perhaps you can shine some light on what happened to Xu Zhangrun in the week he was taken? And the others not yet freed? Where are they?

    You can criticize the USA all you like for their coronavirus response but are they disappearing scientists who disagree with the government line? Are they smearing them with fake accusations of prostitution?

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  13. I once caught Nonlin quoting an article in the Babylon Bee. “If gold rust what shall the iron do?”

    Trump retweets story from satirical news site
    President Donald Trump, who likes to denounce alleged “fake news,” retweeted a piece of satire Friday about Twitter shutting down over reporting on Joe Biden.

    Retweeting a link entitled “Twitter Shuts Down Entire Network To Slow Spread Of Negative Biden News” – which never happened –Trump said: “Wow, this has never been done in history. This includes his really bad interview last night. Why is Twitter doing this. Bringing more attention to Sleepy Joe & Big T.”

    Twitter did not do that.

    The story was the from the Babylon Bee, a satirical news site. The motto on the Bee’s Twitter page says it all: “Fake news you can trust.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2020-election-live-updates-trump-biden-answer-to-voters-at-town-halls-trump-tweets-satirical-news-site/ar-BB1a63ie?ocid=Peregrine

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  14. Kind of random question for the smart people around here, if you don’t mind letting me know what you think, please. My dog broke his ACL a couple of weeks ago. He’s had it surgically replaced already, and the vet recommended physiotherapy. He had his first session today, but something about it seems fishy to me. Most of the time the therapy consisted on phototherapy and laser. For what I could gather, there’s zero scientific evidence that those treatments do anything at all. There were other red flags, like the fact that they didn’t even give me an invoice for my payment. What serious business does that?

    I know it’s a bit weird to ask this here, but I thought maybe some of you might have some valuable insight about it. The last thing I want to do is to fall prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect, but right now I can’t help being extremely suspicious about these guys. Thoughts, please?

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  15. I just discovered this mini series of documentaries called Genius of the Modern World. It’s just a three episode series featuring Freud, Nietzche and Marx.

    I’d love to here your opinions on it, especially KN’s and Walto’s

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6uc599

    Seems to me you can’t be a good person and not a bit of a Marxist. That should ruffle some feathers, but hey.

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  16. OMagain:
    how’s dogo doing?

    Thanks for asking mate. He’s not making much progress unfortunately, still limping a lot. I don’t know what to think. The last two sessions of physio he’s had a lot more electro stimulation and hydrotherapy in the pool and some laser but no phototherapy with LEDs or whatever it’s called.

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  17. dazz,

    Sorry to hear that. I have no first-hand advice to offer but googling suggests ligament healing can be a slow process, 8 weeks or more in humans.

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  18. dazz: Kind of random question for the smart people around here, if you don’t mind letting me know what you think, please.

    Not a smart person. Sorry.

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  19. Alan Fox:
    dazz,

    Sorry to hear that. I have no first-hand advice to offer but googling suggests ligament healing can be a slow process, 8 weeks or more in humans.

    Thanks, Alan. I’m not overly concerned about the limping per se, the problem is that it increases the probability of the other ACL breaking too due to the added stress the limping puts on the healthy leg, and that would be catastrophic.

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  20. petrushka:
    Pfizer says their vaccine is 90 percent effective.

    The media are currently saying 95% but “Only eight had been given the vaccine, while the other 162 were in the placebo group” which seems a small sample to base the figures on.

    I wonder if it will cause autism.

    Is there an expectation or is that just a reference to anti-vaxxers?

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  21. Dog borrowing with another neighbour’s dogs (well, puppies really at 5 months). Mrs F doing Barbara Woodhouse impression.

    Challenge: identify the breed!

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  22. Alan Fox:
    No takers on ID-ing the breed?

    If one identifies the breed, they are denying the theory of evolution. Because if two dogs can be one breed, even though they have different DNA, then you have no basis for saying a dog with a little more different, or even a little more different DNA isn’t part of that breed. Thus a breed must consist of a certain DNA or not a certain DNA.

    Any boundary you designate is artificial and subjective. When does one get to decide its a mutt or pure? Pure can have different DNA?

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  23. phoodoo: If one identifies the breed, they are denying the theory of evolution.Because if two dogs can be one breed, even though they have different DNA, then you have no basis for saying a dog with a little more different, or even a little more different DNA isn’t part of that breed.Thus a breed must consist of a certain DNA or not a certain DNA.

    Well, any individual’s DNA will show their history.

    Any boundary you designate is artificial and subjective.When does one get to decide its a mutt or pure?

    Races of dogs generally developed through selective breeding where their human “partners” chose attributes they considered useful, guarding, herding, hunting and so on. Pedigree and fashion have tended to cause inbreeding which is unfortunate. At least DNA analysis helps in discouraging inbreeding and encouraging genetic diversity.

    Pure can have different DNA?

    Depends on definition, I guess. Pure is undesirable, in most circumstances.

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  24. phoodoo: If one identifies the breed, they are denying the theory of evolution.

    Not sure about this. What happens is gene pools are isolated by geography and what traits breeders decide to encourage. The dogs in the illustration are not pedigree but the offspring of a long line of working dogs.

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  25. phoodoo:
    Alan Fox,
    Either DNA defines the breed or it doesn’t.Which is it?

    In show dog breeding it is the look and the pedigree (parentage). DNA is passed from parent to offspring. So there’s no either-or. It’s both. A quick google indicates DNA profiling making an impact in dog breeding, especially to minimize inbreeding, as I said.

    ETA missing text

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  26. Alan Fox,

    If a dna sequence defines a dog breed, as soon as the next generation is born, there is a new dog breed.

    I once got off a bus in Switzerland, and there was man at the bus stop that was a near exact double of my father who had passed away a few years before. My father isn’t Swiss. Are they the same breed?

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  27. Using “breed” in the sense of “ethnicity”, could we say there is a Chinese ethnicity? Are Tibetans ethnically Chinese?

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  28. phoodoo, Sure Chinese is a nationality and, de facto, Tibetans are Chinese nationals. Doesn’t stop Tibetans and Han Chinese being ethnically distinct.

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  29. Alan Fox:
    dazz,
    I hope your dog’s injury is still improving, Dazz.

    Thanks mate. He has improved a bit indeed, still limping but at least he can put some weight on the injured leg now while walking. As long as the other ACL doesn’t break, he should be fine. Unfortunately another surgery is not an option since he’s rather old, and had one of his kidneys removed due to a tumor, so apparently there’s not much more we can do apart from making sure he doesn’t put too much stress on the good knee.

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  30. Alan Fox:
    Dog borrowing with another neighbour’s dogs (well, puppies really at 5 months). Mrs F doing Barbara Woodhouse impression.

    Challenge: identify the breed!

    Those are two lucky puppies! Lovely

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  31. dazz,

    My sister-in-law had a black Labrador that developed a heart condition. The vet advised she (the Lab, not my SIL) should be discouraged from running and always kept on a lead when out. She couldn’t do it; the dog was so miserable being restrained and just ran for joy when let off. She got to 18, which is a pretty good age for a Lab. Not advice – you just never know how things will turn out but if you’ve done your best…

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