Moderation Issues (6)

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767 thoughts on “Moderation Issues (6)

  1. Gregory: This particular attack seems to have arisen simply because I suggested prayer. Wow, calm the rage, it really might help!

    And people say you have no sense of humor.

  2. Re my announcement about site tweaks, I forgot to mention comment numbering. It’s doable and there is a plugin but the problem is the displays of several plugins compete for the same display spot and overlay each other. Hoping someone can either provide useful editing skills or advise where such skills can be sought.

  3. Could we do something about people who contribute nothing to TSZ other than trolling? I will not name names for now but there are some who seem to either be out of touch with reality or the great majority of their comments are either nonsense or name calling…
    If this doesn’t change, TSZ will become UD…
    Another option is that either TSZ has to change the ownership, or the owner has to give some power to admins to change the rules…

  4. Can admins look at some comments by the usual suspects who are polluting OP?
    Some are close to cyber bullying, which is illegal in some civilized societies…

  5. Mung:
    If you can be specific I am sure an admin will take a look.

    Really? You think the problem is that no one has ever pointed out specfic examples, and if they would just do that, the altruistic moderators here would come to the rescue huh?

    Because Lord knows, no one has ever pointed out example. I mean just yesterday I (didn’t) pointed out a clear blatant rules violating insult. Net result-My post was guanoed.

    So I guess you are right, the moderators did have a look. Lotta fucking good that does.

    I see why Alan wanted his role as a moderator changed to be called something else, like say an admin instead of a moderator. But surely we can come up with more clever names than “admin” for what we used to call moderators who never moderated anything.

    Horseflies? Belgian hookers? Bedpans? Sea anomeas? I mean there must be a whole host of names which is just as suitable for moderators who are completely useless, but which are more fun to say than the joke term “admins.”

    “Dazz be careful what you say, or the bedpans are going to twiddle!”

  6. phoodoo,

    Is a link too much to ask? Each comment has a permalink attached. If you copy and paste that link into your complaint, then it will be clearer what the substance of your query is.

  7. Alan Fox:
    Or are you just performing your favourite rôle?

    I must be performing the role of magician, or soothsayer perhaps. because somehow, some mysterious way, I seem to have no problem reading all kinds of rules violating posts. You on the other hand everyday appear as if this is the first time you ever clicked on this page.

    And when I have linked to them-as long as they are your buddies-you just make up excuses about why its ok to tell this guy to fuck-off, or why you can call this poster a retarded moron, because it was just a matter of opinion, you see….

  8. phoodoo: And when I have linked to them-as long as they are your buddies-you just make up excuses about why its ok to tell this guy to fuck-off, or why you can call this poster a retarded moron, because it was just a matter of opinion, you see….

    One of the reasons this place exists is that it is not possible to talk freely at UD. GIven that you now believe the same is true here then the logical next step would be for you to start your own site and run it as you see fit.

    But given that for ID the logical next step is to stop whining on about how broken “Darwinism” is and get on with developing ID but given that will never happen I expect to see you clogging up the complain queue for some time yet.

  9. Survey:
    How many people would be interested in joining a forum with the same format as PS
    https://www.discourse.org where people would be moderators of their own OPs plus the general forum where venting and nonsense would be allowed?
    The Discourse software has amazing capabilities, with such features as allowing only invited members to comment, hiding content and so on…
    I would like this forum to be neutral for all to feel free to post and comment as PS is clearly biased and that is why people like Behe, Axe, Wells would never go there…Gauger and Nelson have seen it first hand…
    Is it a good idea considering how limited TSZ is?
    Since the author of his/her OP would be in charge of moderating, we wouldn’t need moderators except of the general or main forum where we could vote who should be the moderator. I think that Mung and DNA_Jock or Neil could be voted in because of their experience… Phoodoo could do it too…

  10. phoodoo: I must be performing the role of magician, or soothsayer perhaps.because somehow, some mysterious way, I seem to have no problem reading all kinds of rules violating posts.You on the other hand everyday appear as if this is the first time you ever clicked on this page.

    And when I have linked to them-as long as they are your buddies-you just make up excuses about why its ok to tell this guy to fuck-off, or why you can call this poster a retarded moron, because it was just a matter of opinion, you see….

    Phoodoo,
    I understand your frustration… Please refrain from the abuse that will not change anything…
    If you want to change something, think of the neutral zone I proposed…you could be in charge of it…

  11. Mung: Yes, really.

    This is about the totality of your contribution as moderator, I am sorry to say. Yea really.

    You have had numerous examples pointed out to you of times when rules were broken. All you did was crawl up into a fetal position. No wonder Jock can make fun of you-your only reaction will be to say-“Please stop..pretty please?”

    Join Alan as Master Sargent Shutlz’s sidekick- “I see nothing, Nothing!”

  12. J-Mac: Sure! I get it…
    What’s changed?

    What’s changed? I will tell you what’s changed.

    What’s changed is that Alan and Mung and the rest of the court drunks can babble on about how they just can’t see the infractions, and if we would all just ban together and help them, they would love to do their little jobs-but then others who read here regularly enough will say “What the heck? Its been pointed out to you over and over RIGHT HERE IN THE PAGE CALLED MODERATION and you STILL say “Well, can you just point it out to us..” , so those others who read here will get it, that’s some powerful home-brewed hooch those guys must be sucking on.

    That’s what’s changed-people can see even more clearly, these guys are disinterested clowns.

  13. phoodoo: What’s changed?I will tell you what’s changed.

    What’s changed is that Alan and Mung and the rest of the court drunks can babble on about how they just can’t see the infractions, and if we would all just ban together and help them, they would love to do their little jobs-but then others who read here regularly enough will say “What the heck?Its been pointed out to you over and over RIGHT HERE IN THE PAGE CALLED MODERATION and you STILL say “Well, can you just point it out to us..” , so those others who read here will get it, that’s some powerful home-brewed hooch those guys must be sucking on.

    That’s what’s changed-people can see even more clearly, these guys are disinterested clowns.

    You don’t think Mung at least is trying to be neutral?
    I also think Neil has improved lately…
    It’s not an easy assignment… they deal with people who are very opinionated and passionate about it..,

  14. J-Mac: How many people would be interested in joining a forum …

    and

    … where people would be moderators of their own OPs …

    With those conditions — no, not at all interested.

  15. J-Mac: You don’t think Mung at least is trying to be neutral?

    Yes, he is definitely trying to be neutral. I think he wants to be the beige of the spectrum of beiges. He wants to make Switzerland look like anarchists. He wants to make processed American cheese look like futuristic wild fusion cuisine.

    He is trying so hard to be neutral, that pretty soon you won’t be able to distinguish him from the fluttering sounds of a distant Japanese moth doing morning yoga. And if you tell him so, he will say, “So?”

  16. Neil Rickert: and

    With those conditions — no, not at all interested.

    If you were Behe, Axe, Nelson or other, would you like some loonies from TSZ to pollute your OP?

  17. Somewhere on this site (who knows where), at some point in time (who knows when), someone has made a comment that someone else doesn’t like.

    Could the mods please take a look?

  18. J-Mac: If you were Behe, Axe, Nelson or other, would you like some loonies from TSZ to pollute your OP?

    Well, I don’t think anybody wants to see their OP polluted by loonies; Behe and Axe (and, say, Gauger) are special in that they don’t want people who are scientifically literate polluting their OP’s. Hence the usual retreat to venues with ‘friendly’ moderation.
    Nelson, AIUI, is a YEC. I may have to re-think my position on loonies.

  19. Mung:
    Somewhere on this site (who knows where), at some point in time (who knows when), someone has made a comment that someone else doesn’t like.

    Could the mods please take a look?

    Immediately if not sooner.

  20. The sense of entitlement to ‘fair moderation’ here by phoodoo & J-Mac is just, well, humourous. Hello, this is a site mainly for SKEPTICS, i.e. atheists & agnostics. What else do you expect?

    Don’t let it hurt your feelings so much. Why such worry over how you’re being treated here? It’s a Forum made by an apostate Anglican (or was Lizzie a Catholic?) who promoted mere truthiness. Grow up if you can’t handle mockery from skeptics about your convoluted, non-mainstream, esoteric ‘position’ on the topics raised here.

    Learn to ignore, stop complaining & start doing better yourself first.

  21. Gregory: Learn to ignore, stop complaining & start doing better yourself first.

    Right.

    Right after you learn to ignore the Discovery Institute I will consider it.

  22. phoodoo: What’s changed is that Alan and Mung and the rest of the court drunks can babble on about how they just can’t see the infractions…

    Where have I ever stated that I cannot see the infractions?

    phoodoo: I point out the violations over and over, and nothing gets down.

    That’s pure bullshit phoodoo.

    Moderation Issues (6) was begun just prior to the beginning of the new year. Seven plus pages of comments since. In only one of the comments that you have made did I find a link.

    ETA: Thank you for wasting my time.

  23. phoodoo:
    Right after you learn to ignore the Discovery Institute I will consider it.

    Ah, so dismiss actual work in comparison to your fetish with TSZ & addiction to this blog, as if you are merely an ‘innocent man’ being framed by ‘skeptics’ who you wish for and then complain they would treat you nicer while you always defeat them with your profound understanding.

    The decadence of this conversation, as it takes phoodoo further & further away from God, not closer to God, is surely visible in this non-stop complainer.

  24. Mung: ETA: Thank you for wasting my time.

    You mean like the time you could be using actually reading the posts and doing something about them? That time?

    Do you have a ten post rule, after you see ten posts that break the rules, you then will go have a coffee and think about what you will do after the next ten?

    Its amazing that your excuse is, “Well, why don’t you do my job for me, I don’t have time to read this forum for myself.”

    If you didn’t actually want to be a moderator, great I get it. You have better things to do. I feel very bad that Lizzie kidnapped your three children and is holding them for ransom, so that she can say we have a moderator who isn’t atheist.

  25. Mung: Moderation Issues (6) was begun just prior to the beginning of the new year. Seven plus pages of comments since. In only one of the comments that you have made did I find a link.

    You mean this comment?

    The link in that post is malformed: comment 242458 resides in guano, and consists of phoodoo complaining about the decision to move one of his comments to guano. Nothing to do with the subject matter of comment 242492…
    Perhaps there are two reasons why phoodoo is so reluctant to provide links when he complains about comments.
    Heh.

  26. Gregory: The sense of entitlement to ‘fair moderation’ here by phoodoo & J-Mac is just, well, humourous

    Is it just as bad as your sense of entitlement to attention seeking?
    In short, please!😉

  27. DNA_Jock: Nelson, AIUI, is a YEC. I may have to re-think my position on loonies.

    Nelson believes that the earth is 6000 yo or Adam that was created 6000 yo?

  28. DNA_Jock,

    I guess the problem with moderators at Tsz is that no one will do the moderation for the moderators, so they can’t moderate.

    Perhaps you can ask for moderator moderators, who provide moderation for the moderation, maybe call them moderators-squared, since it seems mathy.

    Oh, but I just thought of one problem, who is going to provide the moderation input for the moderators-squared. I guess they could solicit help.

    Moderators’ moderators -squared assistants need a catchy name. But who has time to think of one? Can some people volunteer to help with that?

  29. phoodoo:
    DNA_Jock,

    I guess the problem with moderators at Tsz is that no one will do the moderation for the moderators,so they can’t moderate.

    Perhaps you can ask for moderator moderators,who provide moderation for the moderation,maybe call them moderators-squared,since it seems mathy.

    Oh,but I just thought of one problem,who is going to provide the moderation input for the moderators-squared.I guess they could solicit help.

    Moderators’ moderators -squared assistants need a catchy name.But who has time to think of one?Can some people volunteer to help with that?

    That’s why we need community influence where ALL inappropriate comments are flagged just like at PS….
    We need forum like software for that…

  30. J-Mac: Nelson believes that the earth is 6000 yo or Adam that was created 6000 yo?

    Either way, I cannot be sure that he would object to having his OP polluted by loonies.

  31. phoodoo: Moderators’ moderators -squared assistants need a catchy name. But who has time to think of one? Can some people volunteer to help with that?

    The problem with that is we will need a whiners’ whiners-squared assistant to complain about the moderators’moderator-squared assistants, perhaps a creating moderation moderation-squared thread would solve all the problems.

    Wonder why no one thought of that already? Thanks Phoodoo.

  32. DNA_Jock: Either way, I cannot be sure that he would object to having his OP polluted by loonies.

    I would think it would be rational people who would be polluting his OP.

  33. newton,

    Yes, but the question was whether the hypothetical OP author would mind a loonie-infestation.
    If you are trying to promote “ID is science”, but you also support Flood Geology, any distraction might be a welcome way to hide the rips and tears in the Big Tent.

  34. Why isn’t phoodoo posting at PS instead of here? Moderation is much tighter there.Yet phoodoo isn’t really presenting a coherent, sustainable argument for anything special, let alone anything more than a generic, watered down ‘theism’ as it seems. Joshua is ‘out’ as an non-mainstream evangelical Protestant, which is at least a clear designation & he’s a tenured professor. Compared to him, phoodoo’s contribution to knowledge is doodoo.

    J-Mac got booted for obvious reasons & isn’t a credible voice in the conversation. Neither will sdc get treated with much credibility there because there are enough natural scientists who reject both IDism & YECism strongly enough to refute his amateurishness at every attempt. And the anti-theists here, which is a fairly small minority, wouldn’t last long because the majority at PS are actually Abrahamic theists who know science well enough to not worry about them using science to bash religion as they do to under-educated evangelicals that they’re used to attacking and insulting. That is likely why only a few have so far made the attempt.

    Mung is over at PS. Neil Rickert is over at PS. T_aquaticus is over at PS. It’s better than TSZ, as I’ve written 2 OPs about, because of more than just the software (though Discourse is better too, as long as it’s not overly manipulated, which Swamidass sometimes does). And frankly, who even references UD anymore because that is a cesspool of some of the worst elements of the IDM, held together by an ‘IDist journalist’ merely hawking news?

    The main problem with TSZ is that it’s bent towards skepticism, agnosticism & atheism (or ‘apatheism’ from the main admin), which are generally uninspiring topics to bring people together for. Thus, it regularly slips down to the bottom level of discourse because that’s what it was ‘designed’ for by Elizabeth Liddle. There is little searching for higher truths at TSZ. There are few voices who ‘care’ enough to be seekers of inspiration and spiritual enlightenment. The resident philosophers/philosophists are materialists, naturalists, evolutionists, promoters of scientism, quasi-Marxists, hyper-Darwinians and apostates themselves.

    TSZ serves a single decent purpose in my view which is strongly rejecting IDism as a wrong-headed ideology (though few here actually call it an ideology, just as the DI also denies that designation). If anyone can find other positive features of this site, do tell what they are.

  35. Mung: Where have I ever stated that I cannot see the infractions

    So you can see them, but still do nothing?

    Or are you not committing to either seeing them or not seeing them? Sort of your neutrality as safe space theory?

  36. Not a moderation issue. I just posted a new thread for the moderators to review for possible publication. Hope it reaches them here. Thanks.

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