It boggles my mind when I read Darwinian propaganda like this:
“These sharks have evolved to walk on land—and they did it quickly” here
Or this Science Alert:
“Rapid Evolution Made These Paper Wasps Capable of Recognising Each Other’s Faces” here
Or
“Profound’ evolution: Wasps learn to recognize faces” here
Has anyone ever had a feeling often depicted in The Twilight Zone, where the main character of the episode wakes up, and he is the same, everything around him seem to be the same, but all people act differently? They can’t seem to see the obvious to him…
When I read the titles of the Darwinian propaganda like these, it reminds me of my youth years living under the comunists… Front pages of the regime controlled newspapers look similar…
I often wondered why people were even buying the newspapers, since everyone but few knew they were just propaganda lies.
One day it hit me like a bolt of lightning…
I think you mentioned this before, was it about a decade you spent living in a communist state? So, presumably you were a teenager when you left? Or was this when the collapse of communism happened at the end of the eighties? Which country were you living in?
Excuse my curiosity, BTW!
So you can’t provide any counter-evidence to the scientific research you linked to, just your own ignorance-based personal disbelief. Same as always.
Yeah, I am curious too in which country the state forced newspapers to print popular science stories on their front pages.
Could have been Cuba…you know… 😉
Counterarguments against unfounded assumptions and lack of evidence?
What do you want me to do? Cry?
Somebody help me, please!!!
Read this first, then the OP:
“Communist propaganda is the scientific, artistic, and social promotion of the ideology of communism, communist worldview and interests of the communist movement.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_propaganda
Are you sure you don’t have a piece of shrapnel sitting somewhere next to one of your not so vital organs? 😉
I’ll just point out that “they did it quickly” does not mean that it happened overnight.
I don’t know but if you’d rather not say, fine.
Nine million years was mentioned.
Since probably nobody here knows exactly what it means to live under a communist regime, it is pointless to say what country, or countries… Every one of them was different…
I have not time to teach history…
According to the big bang model… which appears funky already…
Evolution needs an old universe, because it needs time…
No big bang cosmology, and if light can travel faster in “medium”, anything is possible…
Then evolution will have to happen really fast… light-speed fast lol
Makes no sense to me
Well sure! In my view, Cuba is the only regime that seemed to genuinely try to follow Marxist principles. But as I said, your choice what you reveal and what you don’t.
All participation here is voluntary.
J-Mac,
When the day arrives with evidence against this planet being 4.75 billion years old and for being 6000 years old, I’ll need to rethink. This is not that day. I’m not making contingency plans either.
Jmac,
Did communists also lock their propaganda behind pay walls? How very capitalist of them.
You could have tried reading the actual scientific research papers referenced in the articles you posted and tried to counter the evidence presented in them. But reading the actual scientific literature to learn something I’m sure never crossed your mind. Comfortable ignorance is just so much easier.
Must be difficult to live in a world where all of biology is Darwinian propaganda, and the only effective defense is willful ignorance. I suppose that god forbid one should actually blunder into reading the articles and considering the evidence, especially to realize what “rapid” means in evolutionary terms. I guess god forbids knowledge and understanding out of sheer self-defense. We know what happens to gods when their believers are lost. Gotta feel sorry for Odin.
Catfish in India are getting back on land to walk…
Any evolutionary predictions?
I have mine, but I don’t think the worshippers of Darwinism want to hear them…😉
What is the point of this thread? Indeed, is there even a point?
It could very well be true…if the big bang model holds up…I doubt it will even on the materialistic life support..
The earth can’t be 6000 yo because Adam was created over 6000 years ago…you are misinformed, again…
This day is already here…😉
So, you will continue to troll after your embarrassment? Yes, communists used science, including evolution, as a large part of their propaganda…
The communism is mainly gone, the propaganda machine remains…
Everything was free, including jails for opposing the propaganda machine…
Yeah! Here:
“I often wondered why people were even buying the newspapers, since everyone but few knew they were just propaganda lies.
One day it hit me like a bolt of lightning…”
So let me get this straight! You are claiming that National Geographic and phys.org are state-sponsored propaganda channels that disseminate articles on evolutionary biological topics as a means to promote communism? LMAO!
Incidentally, may I add that I am rather disappointed that you discontinued posting pictures of excrements as visual support for your comments? I feel they were rather appropriate.
China and USSR murdered 30 – 60 million of their own citizens…
Communism combined up to 100 million…
Genuine Marxist principles?
Natural selection all right…
You are an idiot…
Here is another proof:
Boy! No wonder fruit flies never evolved beyond fruit flies…
A fruitcake was in charge of ” natural selection” 🤣
It is difficult when the progress in biology is hindered by evolutionary biologists, who STILL insist “junk DNA” should not be investigated because it’s evolutionary leftover…
Now, it is clear, had “junk DNA” evolutionary assumptions been ignored much earlier by biologists, many lives could have been saved or greatly improved…
The so-called “junk DNA” contains regulatory networks involved in cancer, neurological disorders, heart disease etc. just to mention a few…
I hope one day soon justice will catch up with those heartless bastards…
Haha, no, I was just giving in to my mean streak.
In all seriousness, J-Mac, nobody is taking your accusation of “propaganda” seriously. You are just miffed that popular science journalists ignore ID creationism and happen to report on actual findings from established science.
If you want to add something more constructive then half-baked conspiracy theories, then click any of those links, find the primary source of those articles and read them. Then write an OP in which you detail the research, paraphrase the methods, results and conclusions, and state any criticisms. Good luck.
What is this ‘it’?
Nope. No point at all.
Your lack of reading comprehension is most impressive. Though perhaps forgivable as English is not your native language.
The idea that the planet Earth is any less than four and a half billion years old flies in the face of a mountain of evidence.
Really?
” Alan Fox
When the day arrives with evidence against this planet being 4.75 billion years old
J-Mac: It could very well be true…if the big bang model holds up…I doubt it will even on the materialistic life support…”
I guess your native language is french? Or, you know … you are suffering from the deteriorating cognitive skills…
It hit me like a bolt of lightning why people were buying the newspapers with the communist propaganda even though most of them knew they were pure lies…
There was a shortage of toilet paper… 😉
Precise figures are hard to come by but many people died in Soviet Russia between 1917 and Stalin’s death in 1953, the majority from starvation during the famine of 1932-1933. Huge numbers of Chinese also starved to death under Mao’s regime. Where Marx fits into this, rather than the opportunities totalitarianism gives to dictators and their supporters is not clear to me. Nor is it clear what this has to do with evolutionary theory.
No.
J-Mac,
No idea what you are trying to say. Do you think the Earth is younger than four and a half billion years old? If so, what reasons do you have and what figure do you come up with?
My native language is British English. I’m getting on so my cognitive skills, such as they ever were, are probably on the slide. You should try and help me by writing in complete sentences that connect in some logical way, rather than fragmented non sequiturs.
It is ironic and tragic that Marx himself was one of the most profound philosophers about the nature of freedom in the Western tradition, and everyone thinks of him as the exact opposite. But one does need to actually read Marx to appreciate this, and who has time for that?
It’s not clear because you’re not appreciating J-Mac’s argument:
1. Communist states used state-owned and state-controlled propaganda to promote evolutionary theory.
2. Therefore, if any publication promotes evolutionary theory, that is also propaganda.
And yet we have Trofim Lysenko, Stalin’s pet agronomist. It was his idea of vernalisation and its enforced use on collective farms that contributed to the soviet famine. Vernalisation was a rejection of Mendelian inheritance and evolutionary theory.
On the other hand, there is phage therapy. Soviet work from the Second World War on was largely unknown in the West until the 2000s. Now it is available to counter antibiotic resistance – a huge and worsening problem.
It’s interesting — I wonder if it is was widely understood at the time that vernalization was inconsistent with evolutionary theory. It certainly is not consistent with Mendelian inheritance, but at the time Mendelian genetics had not yet been integrated with Darwin’s emphasis on natural selection.
ROTFL, this is coming from a Marxist, naturalist, pseudo-atheist! No wonder everyone thinks largely opposite to KN about him.
Most people think of Marx ideas like dirt nowadays, due to how his ‘theories’ (which differed at different stages of his life) played out in practise in several countries, including the USSR, Communist China & Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Are these the countries the amazing legacies of ‘freedom’ that Marx left, according to KN’s apostate philosophistry?
Marx is one of the most profound writers on ‘alienation’, but that was one of the most un-free human beings in his commitment to materialism & anti-religiosity. The cages that man effectively built for millions of people with his theories might not register at all on a secular western decadent philosophist (SWDP) like KN. Thankfully, most people around the world reject such SWDP opinions.
Nikolai Berdyaev, totally different story. Now that man wrote about freedom (try The Philosophy of Freedom, 1911)! Go Solzhenitsyn if more politically-oriented discussions of freedom are your interest. But in no way go to that bastard of dehumanisation and spiritual self-alienation in peoples’ heart, Karl Marx.
Marx couldn’t aspire to the much greater social & also personal freedoms Berdyaev & Solzhenitsyn wrote about, due to his intellectual slavery & hand-out financial dependence on others to support him throughout his life, which served to compromise his works. Ah, ambitious agitating Engels, thanks for the pension!
Kantian Naturalist,
A quick google finds a lot of material. There’s even Lysenko’s own (translated) words! It reads a bit like my concept of Soviet propaganda.
The classics of Marxism, while fully appreciating the significance of the Darwinian theory, pointed out the errors of which Darwin was guilty. Darwin’s theory, though unquestionably materialist in its main features, is not free from some serious errors. A major fault, for example, is the fact that, along with the materialist principle, Darwin introduced into his theory of evolution reactionary Malthusian ideas. In our days this major fault is being aggravated by reactionary biologists.
Just a snippet. If I were a reactionary biologist in the USSR back then, I might be thinking of taking an extended holiday, hopefully elsewhere than in a gulag.
That would explain some issues…
We’re all getting there…
I will…
My problem is that I have been, and still am, exposed to so many different variations of English, I don’t know which one is right or wrong… I love the Australian English 🙂
I find some nations have more of a tendency to shorten phrases than other…
I have said this before; because I can scrape by in few languages, I can’t really tell which one is my first language: I think I think in English, but who the hell knows?! lol
For example, in science, English is probably my first language…
Again,
The earth could very well be much younger than 4.5 billions years, but it will not be 6, 000… or so…
The big bag model predicts the universe and the earth to be billions of years old.
Also,
the theory or relativity predicts the speed of light in vacuum to be constant.
Good, so far?
Now,
If the big bang model does’t hold up, for one reason, or another,
or the vacuum is not really vacuum; say, space is filled with some kind of the medium that can speed up the light photons,
the age of the universe, and the earth, could turn out to be much, much, much younger…
Do you follow?
Ask, if you don’t. Don’t assume! 🙂
The principles of communism are not much different from the teachings of Jesus…
It’s the application of them that sucks…
As mentioned on the other OP, there are more problems for relativity:
which continues to place the scientific assumptions of the age of the universe in more, and more serious doubt…
What’s a few million deaths between comrades?
What’s a few million years between Darwinistas?
Well, sure! That’s almost a universal law of politics.