Couldn’t resist the tribute to Denyse?
The new open policy at Uncommon Descent appears to have stalled somewhat. In trying to post a comment this morning I find it disappears. I tried on a couple of threads to no avail. Going on past behaviour, I suspect Barry Arrington has found having an open venue even less appealing than a blog dying from lack of traffic. Of course I could be wrong and will be ready to eat my hat if it turns out to be a glitch.
In the meantime, this is what I had to say (I tried to comment immediately after R0bb’s comment)
Echoing Astroman and R0bb,
Could we have a definition of CSI (complex specified information) which enables a distinction between designed and non-designed entities? It seems core to claims being made currently by Barry and others that there is some substance to ID as an intellectual pursuit.
If it is indeed a quantifiable concept, please tell us how to measure it.
Any, absolutely any, example would do for a start.
From R0bb’s link, Ewert writes:
At her blog, The Skeptical Zone, writer [neuroscientist] Elizabeth Liddle has offered a challenge to CSI that seems worth considering. She presents a mystery image and asks for a calculation of CSI. The image is in gray-scale, and looks a bit like the grain in a plank of wood. Her intent is either to force an admission that such a calculation is impossible or to produce a false positive, detecting design where none was present.
But as long as we remain in the dark about what the image actually represents, calculating its probability is indeed impossible. Dembski never intended the design inference to work in the absence of understanding possible chance hypotheses for the event. Rather, the assumption is that we know enough about the object to make this determination.
Ewert seems to say calculating CSI is impossible unless you know whether the entity in question is designed or not. Seems to render the effort somewhat pointless! Surely someone can do better than this.
Mind you, I must have been doing something right if Barry has indeed “suspended” posting privileges”. I see Keith is still posting there.
ETA Seems some hat-eating may be in order. Commenting from another IP using my phone still works.
ETA2 I’m no longer able to post from other locations, so I guess that’s it.
ETA3 User name and email address now not in their data base so that’s definitely someone actively deleting my account details.