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Okay. That was what I guessed you were asking about.
I just changed it to using the same link with ‘A HREF’ tags, so that the long link itself did not show up in the visible text, but you could still click on it.
I actually did recommend him, some time ago. But then he went into a series of disruptive posts before the recommendation could be considered. And that pretty much killed the idea.
phoodoo,
Phoodoo,
I need to sympathise with the admins, even though it’s not easy after their “conspiracy” to break TSZ rules and apply censorship, allow to break the rules on my LTEE OP…etc. It will catch up with them eventually…It already has…
But, this is not the time to play along with the political nonsense game…because the opportunity has presented itself…
Please keep it cool and set a good example that you are better than hateful, anti-ID proponents…
I beg you!
BTW: When school was still on, my older son was asked why he was associating with the Asian, especially Chinese looking students…
Can you guess what his answer was?
phoodoo,
I agree that it is real racism, and I condemn it.
My point is that Sal wants you to react emotionally, to get upset by his racist dog-whistles. You are playing into his hand.
Maybe a different example will help: you know when you write something provocative, whether its about kids with Down Syndrome flying jet fighters or about dark skinned people that don’t rape white girls, and then someone reacts by telling you to fuck off? That reaction makes you feel good, like you achieved your purpose, right?
Sal is trolling you and your emotional reaction is his pay-off. A better response is to publicly pledge to make a donation to the charity of your choice every time he offends. See the inspiring case of Kim Driscoll and the Glen Beck Horde.
If TSZ is to continue into the future with the diverse worldviews, in relative peace, we need the balance of power…
How about CharlieM joining in for a month trial?
We also need to remind, and apply the “censorship” of z”f” words and the like, even in the moderation category…
I sympathize with phoodoo, and his frustration, but TSZ can do better than that…
This is the only blog left that know about that DI and evolution top proponents come and read… Paul Nelson used to comment here but no anymore…
Agreed that YECist/IDist STC is armed with dog whistles.
Whatever “religion” you believe in in your heart, phoodoo, sure isn’t reflected upon very well by your angry attackful tirades here, even if it is among “skeptics” who you obviously loathe.
Alan has now admitted naivety & said he won’t use that loaded term that STC introduced here. Isn’t that progress?
It is quite clear you are not a devout Jew, Christian, Muslim or Baha’i, when you write such things towards others with hatred in your heart. How could it be otherwise? Calm your anger, sir, & repent in shame, asking for mercy.
DNA_Jock,
I agree with you, but it is easier to say this when one is not Chinese, or Asian looking…
Are you?
Gregory,
I also agree with you, but you can apply the same advice to yourself…
By attacking ID, you directly, or indirectly, attack your “God”…whether you are aware of that, or not…
Whether you seek truth, or the truth, as you would like it to be, in your heart, is not someting for me to judge…
J-Mac,
Sorry, but your aggressive & distorting views of me need to stop.
I don’t curse & swear at IDists. If you believe I have or do, then please quote a source or link to evidence of this, or retract your claim. I am ready to apologise, but not for what I haven’t done. You impugn my character, J-Mac, yet appear quite deluded & self-serving in doing so. I find what you do very petty and unprincipled.
This is a grave & ongoing confusion that you have & should really get clear in your own mind. Accusing me of something I don’t do and don’t wish to support others doing is both wrong & shameful.
Let me be as clear as possible: I am always and only attacking the THEORY of Intelligent Design, i.e. the one promoted by the Discovery Institute, from Thaxton, Bradley, Olsen, to Phillip Johnson & Stephen C. Meyer onward. I am certainly not “directly or indirectly” attacking God. Please correct yourself and apologise for impugning me as if I am, when it is clear that I am not and have never done so in the broad or narrow science, philosophy, theology/worldview conversation, over several different platforms, and 15 years of participation in dialogue with a range of people on this topic.
While you, “J-Mac” have otoh steadfastly refused to identify with any coherent theological position, thus garnering the label “generic theist”, I have many times admitted that I am an Abrahamic monotheist (nothing more specific than that is needed for the purposes of this conversation).
Let me be absolutely clear and transparent in case anyone other than the wildly imaginative J-Mac had any doubt: I am faithfully, consistently and rigorously, as a trained scholar in the field should, challenging “Intelligent Design Theory”, not the existence of our divine Creator. I believe in (the existence of) God. Does that help to clarify my approach?
Time yet to unpin the “Featured” post?
keiths, to Alan:
DNA_Jock:
How do you know he was deliberately provoking?
This is what I meant…
ETA: We are still waiting for the links where I apparently denied being Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Christian, Harry Chrishna and the like…
I know you can’t come up with a good excuse for your assertiveness, so I’m not going to make to come up with the bad one…😉
J-Mac,
Explain further please…
I remember you saying that you don’t follow a religion derived from the bible. If I cared that much I’d probably be able to find the link where you said what I think I’m remembering. I did easily find a link where you said christianity made no sense, or something.
But I join the others who have noted you have claimed you are not a Christian in the past, as that’s what you said, that or something about how you don’t follow the bible.
If you are a christian, big whoop. Congratulations etc. It matters little. I’d hazard a guess that you think the trinity is something to do with the quantum. But other then that, meh.
But more recently you claimed you did not make the comments about 90% of the brain being missing and still functioning normally, and then I showed that you did indeed say that and your ‘compressed’ change is an unacknowledged nod to the article i linked to showing that was indeed the case, not that they were not there at all. You have not acknowledged that but anyone paying attention noticed the change in phrasing from you now that you knew your original claim was now contradicted.
And that’s kind of my point. If you hang around people who actually know what they are talking about you will learn despite yourself. Why do you think people keep plugging away at it? It’s a trap……
So, um, what religion are you then?
And, just out of interest, what religion are your parents? And what religion are your children?
I’m guessing you all independently came to the same choice of religion indepently with no pressure from parents etc. Just a lucky coincidence you all ended up believing the one true religion. What are the chances of that?
I bolded a bit you may have missed.
Why would I use the bible as an authority vs science? Or, to verify scientific discoveries thousands of years later?
Keiths and I, ( Harshman too) clashed many times over it, even though I’m not as familiar with the bible as they are…
I have to give them credit though: they kept me on my toes…
Atheists like them are more than welcomed in my humble home…
From one man’s book and one man’s whatever..
Matthew 7:22-24
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
OMagain,
Are you okay???
If you agree that it is real racism, then how in the world do you justify doing nothing?
Again, remind me why we need you here? It is supposedly against the rules to post racist posts, you agree that it is racist and do nothing. Oh, but my post gets moved, I get warned that I can be banned, but that post-well, you know, let’s just let bygones be bygones shall we….
All you did was say, oh come on, don’t let it bother you so much…
Are you here just to emphasize just how worthless the moderators are here?
Unfortunately I am the only one who works at actually trying to improve this place.
Now, is ONE of you moderators going to explain why you didn’t move that post and warn Sal?
Sorry, phoodoo – I thought it had already been moved.
Better late than never, and thank you for your efforts to improve this place.
Gotta love the mind-reading. It took place then and it is still taking place.
What DNA_Jock means is that he was deliberately provoked. I merely provided the excuse.
Gotta keep those nasty USA Republicans out of London!
Is “China virus” sufficiently vague and non-racist?
ETA: Or how about “the coronavirus, first reported in Wuhan, China”?
No.
But why? Is it 100% sure that covid-19 “originated” in Wuhan seafood market? This seems to still be in doubt. “First reported” raises political &/or journalistic questions. As I wrote above, which no one picked up on, it is not clear that the “next reports” of covid-19 in Iran & Italy, originated from Wuhan. Let’s be responsible at this still early stage of investigations.
Gregory,
Exactly.
Imagine calling ebola the Africans disease? What purpose does that serve other than to inflameI?
Maybe we should refer to nuclear weapons as the American civilian killing tools. Or napalm as the American imperialist child burning fluid
Mung,
I guess you haven’t seen the Chinese couple in the new York subway getting harassed because they wore face masks, and some guy trying to protect them from getting beaten?
Mung,
I don’t this as a nation, this type of attitude is something to be proud of. Before the orange infant a lot of people around the world respected America and what it stood for, at least as an image. Now that is not true in almost any country in the world. Is that good? What people think America is great now?
It’s pretty astonishing to think of all the years America has tried to cultivate a sense of goodness and fairness in the world, all completely destroyed by one thin skinned little baby man and his toddies. How long will it take to repair that image if ever?
All joking aside, Who could be proud of that Mung?
phoodoo,
Oh goodness, don’t get started then on the so-called “Freedom Fries” from over a decade ago, as if the USofA’s gov’t could become so quickly anti-French! This “bad image abroad” started long before the current President. Live outside the USA for a few years to see how wrong it is to lay such blame.
The border between Canada & USA is now largely shut. People can still have at least a bit of a sense of humour during these difficult times (that Douglas Axe of Biologic/Biola is still apparently in denial about!), without promoting undue panic or stereotyping.
Gregory,
I do live outside America, so I am entirely aware of American sentiment in other parts of the world. Name one country that loves American ideals these days? This was not the situation five years ago and certainly not 20. American has never had both an overt racist and consummate idiot as President like they do now.
Mung,
Intent and perception. If a word is perceived as racist does that over-rule lack of intent to be racist? Where there are alternatives, simplest to go with perception.
Perhaps you can clarify your thinking, since your reluctance to discuss your motivations is somewhat inconsistent.
Excuse or source?
Is 100% certainty required?
Perhaps it is only coincidence:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/asia/coronavirus-deaths-china-intl-hnk/index.html
To what end? Instead let me offer the following advice. When someone provokes me, or makes me angry, rather than blaming them for it I like to ask myself why I am being angered or provoked. IOW, I take responsibility for my thoughts and feelings. Being angered or provoked is a choice I make. Why blame someone else?
Mung, and phoodoo,
This is imho one of the most important OPs at BioLogos in their almost 14 years of existence. It answers your questions directly. Please immediately stop using racist language, no matter what CNN insists on politically-journalistically saying.
https://discourse.biologos.org/t/when-does-the-chinese-coronavirus-become-the-american-coronavirus/42539
Of course, the point from my former adversary at BioLogos “beaglelady” means that phoodoo now has ground also, in addition to Alan Fox, STC & a few others here, to accuse S. Joshua Swamidass, founder & ringleader of Peaceful Science, of “racism” for not referring to the “1918 Flu”, instead of calling it the “Spanish Flu” (https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/covid-19-is-basically-the-spanish-flu-of-1918/9956). Does that mean TSZ member swamidass is racist against Spanish people?
As for me, with a background in social “science” and much discussion experience speaking about “race” (along with ethnicity, class, network, sex & gender), I tend to give people gentle leeway in correction for such usually innocent or pre-conditioned slips, and at the same time prefer them to intentionally make the necessary adjustments to their language in order to avoid what are indeed “racist” overtures, which needn’t be applied & could easily be corrected.
NB: I’ve used the term “USAmerican” here multiple times over the years to push back against the “civilisational discrimination” that is somewhat of a national pastime in the USA, against many, many other nations and peoples around the world. Younger brothers and sisters in Canada don’t take well to huffery & puffery when it comes towards from USAmericans, if you haven’t already noticed. ; ) Hugs nonetheless to Mung and the other USAers here; in covid-19 times, you no longer live on a privileged sacred hill as if above everyone else and better than others (https://youtu.be/VMqcLUqYqrs – sorry!), & should not pretend to or expect to (anymore) be treated as if you do. We’re all the same; we’re human beings who should be treated with God-given dignity and respect. Swallow your pride & adjust, so that we may seek greater peace and harmony, working together during these difficult times to fight this pandemic. YOU must change; “we” (the rest of the 7 billion people around the world) are clearly and undeniably in the right about this & don’t need to change to “become like you”. Get over it & move on. Thanks.
I think I’ll be calling it the “US American flu” from now on, just to annoy people who insist on “China flu”.
Suggestion: When the “featured post” is no longer seen in the “recent comments”, isn’t it time to drop it already? We’ve moved on from the current one. Is there a responsible Admin here?
You can never win that battle, they thrive on hate.
That is what I thought too until you wrote this”
“What DNA_Jock means is that he was deliberately provoked. I merely provided the excuse.“
“merely provided the excuse”, don’t be so hard on yourself.
And if one concludes that one’s response is justified by another’s deliberate actions?
How about your merest of actions? I assumed you did, however when I examine my feelings and thoughts I am beginning to doubt it.
Avoid a recurrence is the general justification.
I would put more of the blame on the political evangelicals who got together to elect the anti-Christ.
Neil Rickert,
A simply amazing story from the Russian anti-Nietzsche (Solovyev was nine years younger & they died 12 days apart), only for the strong-hearted! https://www.goodcatholicbooks.org/antichrist.html
I encourage you to try that. 🙂
Yup, the Spanish flu pandemic should be the Kansas USA 1918 pandemic or 1918 USA pandemic for short. The more recent swine flu pandemic should be rightfully labeled the California or, again, the USA-caused swine flu pandemic.
Maybe we, the USA, should be held accountable for those infections in line with those calling for China to be held accountable for the emergence of this viral strain.
Why can’t you do something about it and resign?
You admitted to conspiracy to break TSZ rules…reg. my LTEE OP…
It was Neil’s initiative…
You both belong in hell… if it exist…
Both shameless basterds…
Huh?
You agreed to it. I did not.
Stop lying!
You went along just like the Nazis claimed they did when they testified in Nuremburg…
“We didn’t agree to it. We JUST consented to sending people into the oven”
J-Mac on Ignore. Sheesh.
Required for what? To incite racism?
Yeah just like it, admin decisions about your lame ass post on voluntary blog and war crimes killing millions of people. This is a cry for help. You seem a little unsettled, perhaps a time out would help.