Please use this thread for (and only for) alerting admins to moderation issues and for raising complaints arising from particular decisions. We remind participants that TSZ is a benign dictatorship, the property of Dr. Elizabeth Liddle. All decisions regarding policy and implementation are hers alone.
J-Mac,
I agree that sort of website would be very useful.
I am a big fan of Dr. Wolf-Ekkehard Lonnig.
1. The link doesn’t point to any comment.
2. I have four comments in that page.
3. The only one mentioning reading comprehension is the one directed at J-Mac.
4. That comment answers one by J-Mac, and I quote J-Mac’s whining verbatim, It’s interesting that you didn’t find J-Mac’s to be her/his usual whining, that you don’t find that repetitive, and that you don’t complain that J-Mac’s whining is insulting, uninteresting, and wasn’t guanoed.
5. You cannot know if I’ve written the very same thing that many times, since you confessed that you don’t read my comments.
6. It cannot be the same thing I’ve written before, since it gives specific answers to J-Mac’s claims, unless J-Mac’s claims have been repeated that many times, and J-Mac won’t understand the counterclaims, perhaps confirming J-Mac’s inability to read for comprehension.
7. A sure way to stop me from talking about your inability to read for comprehension would be for you to try and read carefully before commenting or complaining.
8. The irony is in you having so much trouble understanding my comments and complaining that I point to creationists’ inabilities to read for comprehension.
Even if that was so, it would not be a reason to guano the comment. Being a bore isn’t against the rules. May I suggest that you might have problems with reading for comprehension?
😀
Neil Rickert,
Got it. Thanks. Done.
No, no. I understand they’re changing soon!
Now published.
Gregory should get an award appropriate to the effort he has invested in coming up with the least snappy title for an OP ever!!!
Fair point. As far as I know at the moment, Lizzie is happy to keep paying for the site so there’s no issue other than Lizzie’s absence, her excuse for which is pressure of work. She’s active elsewhere on the internet which raises questions regarding whether her absence is solely due to lack of available time. I’ve contacted her at intervals as her various deadlines have expired, eliciting further promises but I don’t have much confidence currently that she intends to return in the near future. I guess there will have to be a point at which TSZ (or the members) should move out of Limbo. Have we reached that point?
walto,
Like Brexit, any change needs an idea of what to change to.
Alan Fox,
Translation:
Can Alan give himself full power to do whatever the fuck he wants now?
Which is odd,, because that’s what he does on a daily basis already. Good Ol,Twistedbeard.
Alan II, Duke of Brittany.
Oh, that’s me is it? Is it meant to be insulting or flattering?
How should I know how you would consider being a nondescript Monarch whose only claim to fame was lucky heritage and a mangled beard?
Righteo! Let’s get some threads on rule changes going post haste!!!
That would be against the rules.
If where she is active is another discussion forum, then maybe she is trying to tell us something about where we should be posting.
BruceS,
It’s possible. It might also be linked to the fact moderation disputes are handled privately. Dunno.
What do you really mean by “TSZ (or the members) should move out of the Limbo” , Alan?
Are you saying that Lizzy is done with TSZ or perhaps TSZ is done?
No. She (Lizzie) is just telling us something about her own priorities.
You are suggesting she prefers websites without transparency? So she she starts a website which claims to be completely transparent (ha) but she actually prefers secrecy.
Maybe you are just projecting Alan.
I don’t know but I certainly hope not.
Don’t think so. Traffic is steady.
It’s no secret Lizzie came to dislike the moderating part of administering TSZ. She’s not involved at all in admin where she posts currently.
Its no secret you would love secrecy Alan.
Yes, what does that Limbo remark mean?
Oh, also, “Fool me 12 times, shame on me.”
Only that we’ve gone on for at least a couple of years with almost no input from the site owner. I’m just wondering if we should just carry on regardless indefinitely.
If you are referring to expired deadlines, well, quite!
Why do you need more input Alan. If lLizzie gave her aims and rules for the site, why are you so bent on changing them-other then the fact that you want to give yourself even more control of the content than you have now?
Remember when you said you were quitting?
I have considerable sympathy with that. And you probably do, too.
I was. I mean, why in the world would anybody believe her at this point? And yet her promissory notes get dutifully pinned time after time after time. It kind of embarrassing.
I’m not sure when I first registered for this place, but she’s never been here for much more than a spot of tea since I came.
{Note to self: Could I have driven her off?!?}
If that is the case and is a reason she prefers that forum, then why not change the rules here to match, if that is the majority view of the moderators.
Is that because of the work of moderation in general? Or only because of the invective and time-wasting associated with public airing of disputes? If only the latter, it seems easy to fix, and based on Alan’s post, Lizzie would have no objections.
Neil Rickert,
Yup! 🙂
That was what I was getting at. At some point, should we stop waiting for Godot?
Don’t think you were the sole cause! 🙂
This place isn’t free. Guess who owns it and pays for it?
When Lizzie was active here, she managed a huge output of OPs and comments. I suspect (on little more than my own supposition) that she was finding that level of interaction too much of a commitment (and moderation wrangles surely didn’t help) and it was simpler just to stop participating.
On the whole, I think TSZ still provides the venue Lizzie intended and I don’t think we need to reinvent the wheel. It would just be great either to have Lizzie back at the helm or that she hand the torch on.
(I do love mixing my metaphors)
Not a chance.
Moderation is a thankless job.
Thanks for doing it despite that.
I don’t know how much Lizzie pays for domain registration and site hosting but it’s not bargain basement. I guess 100€ annually would buy an adequate service depending on the traffic.and the software demands.
So the experiment is still on, and the proof of support is in the continued payment of hosting fees.
Darn tootin’!
An inference, perhaps! 🙂
I feel like I need to complain about something.
I have a complaint about complaints.
But the thought of quitting… Oh how it must send collective shivers down your non -existent spines.
I would think the fear of never being able to quit is what would send the chill down their spine.
Maybe Lizzy wants to sell the domain???
This is an opportunity for someone to create a much better blog where people like Behe, Axe, Gauger, Nelson, Lonnig, Dawkins could post their OPs… with self-moderation: lock it, and allow only those who they would like to discuss the topic with…
If Behe or others don’t like my comments they block them…If I want to challenge them, I create my own OP and self-moderate …something like that…
TSZ current software has not such capabilities as for as I I can tell…
J-Mac,
Not to worry. The good news is that software with capability for stream-of-consciousness bimbling blogs seems to be just around the corner.
I very much doubt that.
There are web-hosting companies galore. Packages are available with pre-loaded software. Domain names are often bundled in or available for a few dollars a year. I bet even you could set up a blog.
I wonder if Mike Behe would want to share with you. His previous venture into blogging didn’t run to allowing comments at all.
It’s the standard WordPress platform with a few off-the-shelf plugins. I’d suggest starting afresh with whatever software appeals. You could also ask our member, nonlin.org, for advice on how to set up a blog. I suggest it’s dead easy.
The hard part will be getting traffic. 🙂
Someone should set up a chain of bot blogs that post to each other.
Some say this has already been done.
petrushka,
Yeah, my cat follows some of those.