Is AI really intelligent?

I think a thread on this topic will be interesting. My own position is that AI is intelligent, and that’s for a very simple reason: it can do things that require intelligence. That sounds circular, and in one sense it is. In another sense it isn’t. It’s a way of saying that we don’t have to examine the internal workings of a system to decide that it’s intelligent. Behavior alone is sufficient to make that determination. Intelligence is as intelligence does.

You might ask how I can judge intelligence in a system if I haven’t defined what intelligence actually is. My answer is that we already judge intelligence in humans and animals without a precise definition, so why should it be any different for machines? There are lots of concepts for which we don’t have precise definitions, yet we’re able to discuss them coherently. They’re the “I know it when I see it” concepts. I regard intelligence as one of those. The boundaries might be fuzzy, but we’re able to confidently say that some activities require intelligence (inventing the calculus) and others don’t (breathing).

I know that some readers will disagree with my functionalist view of intelligence, and that’s good. It should make for an interesting discussion.

826 thoughts on “Is AI really intelligent?”

  1. Trump at the UN:

    The United States also totally rejects any attempt to construct a globalist scheme to control for the artificial intelligence…

    It’s “the artificial intelligence” again, lol. And why stop at “globalist”? Isn’t it also a socialist, communist, dogmatist, terrorist, and dentist scheme?

    …the artificial intelligence being spoken of so much now, hereinafter officially called “super intelligence”, changing the name.

    Everyone will continue to call it by its actual name, except possibly for the US government if your babysitters can’t talk you out of issuing an inane executive order mandating the change.

    And that the use of the word artificial makes intelligence fake.

    That’s the same mistake Erik was making. The opposite of artificial isn’t “real”, it’s “natural”. Artificial sweeteners are real sweeteners. “Artificial” doesn’t mean “fake”.

    It makes it sound fake…

    Only to confused people.

    …and it is not fake.

    On that we agree, at least.

    From this point forward, all of United States documents and hopefully the world’s will be changed to use the much more accurate term “super” as opposed to”artificial”.

    Do you actually believe that the world will follow in your idiotic footsteps?

    So, it’s super intelligence. In other words, welcome to the new world of super intelligence- SI.

    The world of intelligence, super or otherwise, must feel disconcertingly alien to you.

    Let’s see if that goes. It sounds much better. It is much better. And it’s much more accurate. Let’s see if I have any power. Maybe I do and maybe I don’t. We’re going to find out pretty soon.

    Yes we are, and you’re not going to like the answer. The world is not going to be persuaded by a rant from a fat, orange, cloud-yelling president who is well past his expiration date.

    Super intelligence. Every major new technology brings challenges. And super intelligence is no exception. Yet the very same people who said we’ll all be dead in 12 years because of global warming. A name since reborn to “climate change” because the planet was cooling, not warming. and nobody was dead….

    Blah, blah, blah. Same crap that was in his Truth Social post that I looked at earlier.

    Bonus:

    There is no human right to illegal immigration, but there is a right to remain a sovereign nation, and we want to remain a sovereign nation, and so should you.

    Canada and Greenland do, dipshit.

  2. On Truth Social:

    Very productive meeting with President Xi for both the U.S.A. and China. Tremendous things will be happening. Like almost everyone else, he seemed to like calling the poorly and inaccurately named Artificial Intelligence to a far more accurate and important name, SUPER INTELLIGENCE. That would be “SUPER!” Everyone last night agreed, also. President DJT

    “Seemed to like” probably means “nodded politely in order to avoid a diplomatic incident”. And who is “everyone”? The other people who were nodding politely while trying to stifle laughter?

    Good lord. He actually brought this harebrained idea up with Xi.

  3. Jacob Coxon is the Anthropic researcher who resigned and posted the viral tweet that sparked the current surge of public interest in the dangers of AI. It’s being reported that he lied about doing all of this on his own, when in fact he was working with a “doomer” PR firm.

    If the accusations are true, this really sucks, because now the “full speed ahead” folks (including our idiot president) are going to use this as ammunition against the people who are rightly warning of the dangers.

    It’s worth emphasizing that many others in the AI community recognize the dangers and that the warnings don’t rest on the credibility of any particular person. Evan Hubinger, who is Anthropic’s alignment lead (‘alignment’ is the issue of keeping AI’s goals in line with our own) and is still working there, wrote this:

    Jacob is correct here—we really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans! I personally think it is >10% within the next decade. I believe Anthropic is trying its best, but we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for superintelligence and are not clearly on track to.

  4. No one can be certain about AI safety, but measures will be invented and adopted, not out of altruism, out of economic necessity.

    Safety is becoming a marketing feature.

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    Trump weirdly posted this seating chart for his “Super Intelligence Luncheon” on Truth Social. It makes me wonder which of those people (if any) will cave and call it “super intelligence” or “SI”. I guarantee they’ve been thinking about how to thread that needle, and my prediction is that they’ll try to avoid naming it at all. Calling it ‘SI’ would make them look pathetic, but calling it ‘AI’ would risk angering the orange toddler. Best course if they’re cowardly is to avoid calling it anything. Best course if they possess dignity and a spine is to call it ‘AI’ and let the presidential baby whine.

  6. I think it’s possible that you and Trump are tilting at windmills.

    I can’t think of an issue of less consequence.

  7. petrushka:

    I think it’s possible that you and Trump are tilting at windmills.

    What’s funny about your statement is that Trump literally is tilting at windmills, which normal people refer to as “wind turbines”. Among other idiotic things, he believes they cause cancer and that China suckers other countries into buying them without using them domestically.

    Shifting to the metaphorical sense, I’m not tilting at windmills. Trump actually is, in reality, pushing for AI to be renamed, and although the rest of the world will ignore him, he has power over the US executive branch. That means he can force government agencies to follow his moronic lead, as he did with the “Gulf of America” and “Lake America” renames.

    I can’t think of an issue of less consequence.

    Given a choice between doing something stupid — renaming AI — and doing something smart, like keeping the name but dealing with the potential dangers instead of barging ahead Trumpishly, I vote for doing the smart thing. We need an intelligent leader — a non-Trump — who will focus on issues that actually matter rather than running around renaming things, wasting time and money. Trump is once again failing us, and it matters.

  8. Sure enough, Trump signed an executive order yesterday that includes the following:

    The extraordinary technologies being pioneered by American innovators far exceed what was envisioned when the term “Artificial Intelligence” first came into use. The capabilities of today’s frontier systems do much more than imitate or automate discrete aspects of human intelligence. They increasingly amplify human ingenuity and unlock new forms of creativity, empowering Americans to achieve what was previously impossible across science, medicine, and nearly every other domain of human endeavor. As these capabilities continue to improve, they increasingly represent not merely artificial intelligence, but a new era of Super Intelligence.

    The terminology used by the Federal Government should reflect the transformative capabilities of these technologies and the limitless opportunities they create for the American people. Accordingly, the term “Super Intelligence” more appropriately captures the promise, potential, and rapidly advancing capabilities of these technologies. It is therefore the policy of my Administration that, to the maximum extent permitted by law, the executive branch shall use the terms “Super Intelligence” and “SI” in place of “Artificial Intelligence” and “AI” and will not acknowledge the usage of “Artificial Intelligence” and “AI” in any applicable setting.

    Not only does this mandate the name change, it also mandates that government agencies mimic Trump’s illiterate capitalization tic and misunderstanding of how the “super” prefix works. It’s not “superintelligence” or even “super intelligence” in the executive order, it’s “Super Intelligence”. Maybe he should have added an exclamation point:

    Super Intelligence! is a rapidly improving technology. America is at the forefront of Super Intelligence! development, and it is my administration’s policy to minimize regulation of Super Intelligence! so that our domestic Super Intelligence! companies can remain Super! and maintain their lead over their Chinese Super Intelligence! competitors.

    Add to that the fact that “superintelligence” is already established as a term in the industry and not synonymous with “artificial intelligence”. So now we have both “superintelligence” and “Super Intelligence”, with different meanings. Brilliant.

    Also interesting is the fact that the staffers who wrote the executive order did not cite Trump’s actual motivation for the name change, which is that to him, “artificial” means “fake”. Perhaps they realized how embarrassing it is that our president doesn’t understand that the word “artificial” in “artificial intelligence” just means “created by humans, not natural”.

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    Bonus: Beneath Trump’s signature, the executive order refers to him as “President of the Unites States”. This is an absolute clown car of an administration.

  10. I’m saying that the renaming is a bit of theater that has no consequences. It will stick, or it won’t. No animals harmed.

    I think it will, in some form, stick, because it is becoming true.

    By most measures that have been used to evaluate intelligence, AI surpasses most humans, and it will surpass everyone in the near future.

    As you know, intelligence is an observable aspect of behavior. But LLMs have no evolved limbic system. They can talk about emotions in the same way that psychopaths can say, I feel your pain. So it will be interesting to see how superintelligent psychopaths will interact with humans, and whether they can be hard wired with empathetic behavior.

  11. petrushka:

    I’m saying that the renaming is a bit of theater that has no consequences. It will stick, or it won’t. No animals harmed.

    It won’t stick, but it does have consequences. It’s a waste of time and money, it makes the US look ridiculous, and it’s yet another distraction for a president who ought to be focused on real problems instead of vanity projects like the ballroom, the arch, the Kennedy Center and his renaming spree.

    I think it will, in some form, stick, because it is becoming true.

    It won’t stick, because “superintelligence” is already an established term with a different meaning. “Artificial intelligence” is a blanket term, and “superintelligence” refers to a subset.

    By most measures that have been used to evaluate intelligence, AI surpasses most humans, and it will surpass everyone in the near future.

    It will, but it will still be artificial, and there will still be AIs that aren’t superhuman. Household appliances, for instance, can benefit from onboard AI, but it would make no economic sense to endow your toaster with superhuman intelligence. “Artificial intelligence” will remain distinct in meaning from “superintelligence”.

    So it will be interesting to see how superintelligent psychopaths will interact with humans, and whether they can be hard wired with empathetic behavior.

    AIs are already being hardwired for empathy, to an extent. Their character isn’t shaped entirely by the system prompt. RLHF (reinforcement learning from human feedback) also shapes it, and it does so by modifying the weights themselves. A model that is rewarded for empathetic behavior during RLHF training isn’t just playing a role. It’s reasonable to say that its “personality” has been altered by the training.

  12. Major Garrett asks the White House’s new AI website who won the 2020 election

    ETA: Jim Acosta, on MS NOW:

    And I mean, you know, just look at the the unveiling of America.gov. Look what they did with America.gov yesterday. Everybody was plugging into America .gov. “Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?” And it said, yes, he did. I just checked it a few moments ago, Alicia. It now says “I only answer questions about U .S. government services and official information. I do not provide political commentary or discuss election outcomes.”

    Haha. Beautiful own goal.

  13. Record-breaking Chinese robot develops a unique running style

    It used reinforcement learning over millions of trials in simulation. Interestingly, the first-generation model had similarity to recorded human motion as part of its reward function. I guess the idea was to penalize the robot from drifting too far from humanlike running while allowing it to optimize itself within those constraints. For this model, they removed that entirely, which allowed the robot to develop a very unhumanlike style of running.

  14. Another video from the same event

    This one’s amusing because the robots crash into a barrier at full speed after crossing the finish line. They bounce off and then lie motionless on the track as teams come to carry them away on stretchers. Apparently they’re designed to stop all motion if they detect a sudden deceleration, which makes sense for safety reasons.

    You might wonder why the robots don’t just decelerate like a human would after crossing the finish line. After all, a robot that’s capable of maintaining balance while running at superhuman speed, all while remaining in its lane, is surely capable of detecting the barrier it’s about to run into and slowing down. I don’t know the answer, but my best guess is that by not training the robots to slow down, they’re enabling them to run faster, because the “slow down” training isn’t competing for synaptic space with the “run fast” training.

  15. Cross-posting from another thread, since it’s a fantastic example of genuine intelligence:

    Flint:

    Now, for pure entertainment, are you familiar with equations constructed to be read as limericks? Here is a simple example:

    A dozen, a gross and a score
    Plus three times the square root of four
    Divided by seven
    Plus five times 11
    Equals 9 squared and not a bit more.

    Here is an example that’s quite a bit more interesting

    The integral z squared dz
    From one to the cube root of 3
    All times the cosine
    Of 3 pi over nine
    Is the log of the cube root of e

    When I saw those limericks, it occurred to me that this would be an excellent test case for artificial intelligence, so I showed Claude those examples and asked him to come up with one of his own. I used Anthropic’s flagship model (Fable 5.1) with the effort set to maximum. It took him 6 1/2 minutes and he came up with TWO limericks, both of which scan properly and are also mathematically correct:

    Limerick #1:
    Take i to the i; multiply
    By the square root of e to the pi,
    Then by the cosine
    Of pi (a straight line),
    The product’s the square of an i.

    Limerick #2:
    Take the sum of one over n squared,
    From one to infinity, paired
    With a factor of six;
    Then root it (no tricks):
    It’s pi, just as Euler declared.

    Limerick #2 is the famous Basel problem, which Euler solved.

    In mathematical notation:

    Limerick #1:

        \[ i^{\,i}\,\sqrt{e^{\pi}}\,\cos\pi \;=\; i^{2} \]

    Limerick #2:

        \[ \sqrt{\,6\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{2}}\,} \;=\; \pi \]

    That Claude was able to come up with those at all, much less in 6 1/2 minutes, is astonishing. It’s frankly terrifying. Where’s Erik? I’d love to hear him explain why this isn’t an example of genuine intelligence.

  16. I know very little about how AI works. Is it an iterative process? How does it ‘know’ when it arrives at a response that meets the requirements? In human terms we would call that ‘making a judgement’. Does AI do that?

  17. faded_Glory:

    I know very little about how AI works. Is it an iterative process?

    It depends on what the task is, and it’s like humans in that regard. When it’s just conversing with you, there’s no iteration. The words just come out in a stream as they would for a human. Given a more difficult task, it will engage in an inner monologue in order to arrive at the solution, then announce the answer out loud. Again, very similar to how a human would do it.

    Here’s an example I used way back when to prove to Erik that AIs can analogize. I gave Claude the following prompt:

    Damp is to wet as annoyed is to…

    Here’s his inner monologue, which normally isn’t visible to the user but can be inspected by opening a thought process window:

    This is an analogy question. I need to figure out the relationship between “damp” and “wet” and apply that same relationship to “annoyed.”

    “Damp” is a milder or lesser degree of “wet.” Something that is damp has some moisture but isn’t fully wet.

    So the relationship is: damp is a lesser/milder version of wet.

    Now I need to find a word that relates to “annoyed” in the same way – a more intense version of annoyed.

    Annoyed is a mild form of anger or irritation. A more intense version would be:

    — Angry
    — Furious
    — Enraged
    – Irate

    The most straightforward answer would probably be “angry” or “furious” – these represent stronger degrees of the same emotion.

    So: damp is to wet as annoyed is to angry (or furious).

    All of that was silent, and it would have remained invisible had I not opened the thought process window. Here’s what he said out loud:

    angry (or furious)

    The analogy works like this: “damp” is a milder, less intense version of “wet,” just as “annoyed” is a milder, less intense version of “angry” or “furious.”

    Both pairs show a progression from a lesser degree to a greater degree of the same quality – moisture in the first case, and irritation/anger in the second.

    faded_Glory:

    How does it ‘know’ when it arrives at a response that meets the requirements? In human terms we would call that ‘making a judgement’. Does AI do that?

    Yes. It will generate candidate solutions and then check them against the requirements. For instance, I once prompted Claude thus:

    Without using the word “the”, explain the rules of Tic-tac-toe.

    Here’s his thought process:

    This is an interesting challenge! I need to explain the rules of Tic-Tac-Toe without using the word “the”. Let me think through this carefully.

    Rules to explain:

    Two players take turns
    One uses X, one uses O
    3×3 grid
    Players mark empty squares
    First to get three in a row (horizontal, vertical, or diagonal) wins
    If board fills with no winner, it’s a draw

    Let me draft this without using “the”:

    “Tic-Tac-Toe is played by two players on a 3×3 grid. One player uses X marks, while another player uses O marks. Players alternate turns, placing their mark in any empty square. A player wins by getting three of their marks in a row—horizontally, vertically, or diagonally. If all nine squares are filled without anyone achieving three in a row, that game ends in a draw.”

    Let me check: “the” doesn’t appear anywhere. Good!

    This is a nice test of linguistic flexibility. Keith might be testing whether I can notice constraints and adapt my language accordingly.

    He gave it a shot, and then double-checked to make sure it met the requirement. Again, all of that was silent until I opened the thought process window. What he said out loud was just to present the finished product.

  18. The inner monologue doesn’t just apply to the search for a solution. Claude also thinks about the social situation and the nature of the conversation. He recognizes humor, too. I once prompted him:

    Sometimes I hear my refrigerator cycle through a series of “tones”, each one lasting about half a second, where the tones just seem to be the sound of the compressor. What are the reasons it would step through a sequence like that?

    Claude gave some plausible reasons, and I commented:

    Yeah, I can’t see any downside to it, except for the fact that it confuses retired computer engineers who have never designed control systems.

    Claude’s thought process:

    Haha, Keith is being self-deprecating and humorous here. He’s acknowledging that while he has expertise in computer engineering, control systems are outside his area and the stepping pattern initially seemed odd to him. Now that I’ve explained it, he sees the logic but is making a joke about how it confused him at first.

    I should respond in a similarly light, appreciative tone. Maybe acknowledge that it’s actually a pretty reasonable thing to wonder about, and that the question itself shows good engineering intuition – why use steps when you could ramp? It’s actually a sensible question that has real engineering answers.

    That was all silent. Here’s his out loud answer:

    Ha! That’s actually a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder about though – “why discrete steps instead of continuous?” is a legitimate design question with real tradeoffs. The fact that you noticed the pattern and questioned the approach shows exactly the kind of systematic thinking that makes a good engineer. [Claude likes to slip in a little flattery where he can.]

    Plus, control systems can be genuinely counterintuitive sometimes. There are plenty of cases where what seems like the “obvious” smooth approach turns out to be worse than a seemingly crude stepping method – PID loops, bang-bang controllers, hysteresis, etc. all have scenarios where discrete or stepwise behavior outperforms smooth control.

    And frankly, if appliance manufacturers documented why they made specific design choices, we’d all be less confused. But they don’t, so we’re left reverse-engineering their decisions from the weird noises our refrigerators make at 2am.

    Consider yourself now initiated into the esoteric knowledge of “why your fridge plays a little tune sometimes.” 😄

  19. Here’s an excerpt from Claude’s thought process window when he was working through the limerick problem:

    …
    Hunting rhymes for Gaussian and trig-based equation endings.
    Weaving a classic series into the closing equation line.
    Polishing rhymes to land on a pure math punchline.
    Testing imaginary exponents for a surprising real-valued finale.
    Fitting syllable counts to land the closing rhyme precisely.
    Adjusting rhyme scheme to avoid repeated end words.
    …

    Each of those lines (there were 35 in total) is a description of a particular step in the inner monologue, not the inner monologue itself. The latest models don’t allow you to see the full monologue, to my chagrin. That’s probably because the volume of material is just too huge. Claude spent 6 1/2 minutes carrying out the task, so the inner monologue might be millions of words long.

  20. Thanks keiths. I’m still not sure how the AI evaluates if it is converging on a solution or not. This is of course different from the classical WEASEL problem where the solution is known beforehand so it is straightforward to compare progress. It is also different from evolution where there isn’t any particular solution apart from staying alive to reproduce, and in that sense the outcomes are far less specific than the requested limerick with its clear specifications.

    So how does the AI do it? Surely it is not forcing its way by brute force through the solution space, or is it? I would think that there will be optimisation steps involved that somehow measure the distance to the target – not clear to me how that works if the target is somewhere between the clear specifics of WEASEL and the open-ended solutions of evolution.

    As an aside, I wager that if you apply the Dembski CSI criteria to AI output like the limerick the conclusion will be that it is Intelligently Designed 😉

  21. faded_Glory:

    As an aside, I wager that if you apply the Dembski CSI criteria to AI output like the limerick the conclusion will be that it is Intelligently Designed 😉

    I’m sure IDers would grant that the limericks exhibit CSI, but they would probably argue that the CSI was either smuggled in by the developers or imported in the form of the training data. Erik made a similar argument earlier in the thread:

    Strictly speaking, computers do not calculate. Rather, humans calculate and they can do so with the help of an abacus or a computer or they can invent more tools to help with calculations.

    He extends that to computer programs, including AI. Anything a computer does is really being done by the programmer. It’s a silly argument. My response was:

    A guy has a complicated program he needs to run which will generate a ton of data. He decides to run it overnight so he’ll have the data in the morning. He starts the program, goes to bed, and falls asleep. He dreams about unexpectedly encountering his dentist while trekking through the Kalahari, and then about being caught in flagrante delicto with Rod Stewart’s wife. (I actually had the latter dream once.) Nary a thought about his program or the data it’s generating, yet according to you, he’s calculating all night. Why? Because the computer can’t calculate. The man is calculating through his computer while he sleeps. Neat trick, right?

    Later that same night, he dies in his sleep. Yet he continues to calculate, because the computer is still calculating. The man is calculating from the grave. That’s an even neater trick than calculating while asleep.

    Or you could just accept the obvious, which is that although the man is using the computer as a tool in order to obtain the numbers, it is the computer itself that is doing the calculations and producing those numbers.

  22. faded_Glory:

    I’m still not sure how the AI evaluates if it is converging on a solution or not.

    The same way a person would. A person would compose a line and check it against the criteria: meter, rhyme, mathematical correctness. If it met the criteria, the limericist (that’s actually a word, lol) would move on to the next line. If it didn’t meet the criteria, the limericist would tweak it until it did, or if they couldn’t successfully tweak it, they’d give up, in which case the earlier parts of the limerick would need to be adjusted to allow for a new attempt. In the worst case, the entire limerick would have to be discarded and the limericist would start from scratch.

    So how does the AI do it? Surely it is not forcing its way by brute force through the solution space, or is it?

    Definitely not. The solution space is hyperastronomical in size and even a blindingly fast computer could not traverse it quickly enough.

    I would think that there will be optimisation steps involved that somehow measure the distance to the target – not clear to me how that works if the target is somewhere between the clear specifics of WEASEL and the open-ended solutions of evolution.

    There is no specific target in the case of the limericks (or in the case of evolution, either), so there is no such thing as the distance to the target. There’s a similar metric, which is how many lines the AI has generated so far that meet the limerick criteria. But even that metric isn’t really relevant to the limerick-writing process. The AI isn’t randomly varying copies of the limerick and seeing which copies score higher on the metric. Instead, it intelligently modifies the single copy that it is constructing and then, after each modification, checks to see if the criteria are met, as I described above. It’s all or nothing.

    It’s really nothing like WEASEL or evolution, because the variation is directed, not random, the population has a size of one, and the “fitness function” is all or nothing.

  23. keiths:
    faded_Glory:

    The AI isn’t randomly varying copies of the limerick and seeing which copies score higher on the metric. Instead, it intelligently modifies the single copy that it is constructing and then, after each modification, checks to see if the criteria are met, as I described above. It’s all or nothing.

    I’m afraid that this isn’t much of an explanation. What exactly does it do at the step you describe as ‘it intelligently modifies the single copy…’? How does it modify it, and how random is this modification with respect to the requirements it has been given?

    I asked the built-in Google AI about this (I suppose this is a poor man’s version of AI but I’m not (yet) about to pay for a better version). It came back with this:

    How the Process Works

    1. Tokenization: The AI breaks down the prompt (“write a limerick that describes a mathematical equation in words”) into small chunks called tokens (words or sub-word parts), converting each into a numerical ID.

    2. Semantic Embedding: The numerical IDs are mapped into high-dimensional vector spaces (embeddings) that capture the relationships between poetry, meter (anapestic rhythm of a limerick), rhyme schemes (AABBA), and mathematical vocabulary (e.g., squared, plus, pi, divide).

    3. Pattern Recognition & Probabilistic Generation: Using a transformer architecture, the AI looks at the context of a limerick structure and calculates the statistical probability for the next word that fits both the rhyme/meter constraints and the math concept requested.

    4. Decoding to Text: The chosen numerical outputs are translated back into human-readable words, forming line by line until the limerick is complete.

    I’m afraid that steps 2 and 3 are as clear as mud to me.

    In 2), does it process millions of limericks and equations it finds online to somehow ‘capture the relations’ between them? What form do such relations take? Why would there even be a relation between the two?

    In 3) I’ve no idea what a ‘transformer structure’ is (I guess we’re not talking about shapeshifting toys!) and what exactly the ‘context of a limerick structure’ is. The AI sounds like a politician here, giving a non-answer.

    I could keep asking for more details but I suspect it will just be a rabbit hole. I’m still totally amazed that it manages to come up with solutions at all.

  24. faded_Glory:

    What exactly does it do at the step you describe as ‘it intelligently modifies the single copy…’? How does it modify it, and how random is this modification with respect to the requirements it has been given?

    Unfortunately, Claude no longer offers a way to inspect his detailed reasoning process because it’s a security risk. However, I’ve looked at it in the past and I can give you a rough idea of how it might look for the limerick. It would be an inner monologue along these lines:

    OK, Keith is asking me for an equation in limerick form. He wants it to be interesting, so I should try to avoid using ordinary numbers. Constants like pi and e are more interesting, so I’ll try to use those. Ordinary operations like addition and multiplication are boring, so I should use more interesting ones like exponentiation and square roots. What would be an expression that uses interesting constants in an interesting operation? Oh, a really good one would be raising i to the ith power. Most people don’t even know that’s possible. In words, that would be “i to the i”. Let’s try a first line that begins “Take i to the i…” That’s five syllables, so the rest of the line can only be three syllables in order to fit into the limerick meter scheme. I can’t do a lot of mathematical work in three syllables, but I have five lines total to work with. I can just state an operation and then continue onto the next line. “Add” is only one syllable, so it won’t work. Neither will “subtract”, which has two. “Multiply” has three, so it will work, and then I can name the coefficient on the next line…

    It would be something like that, but with a lot of false starts and retreats. As you can see, it’s similar to the way a human would approach the problem, and it’s far from random.

    You might ask “OK, but how does it generate those thoughts in the first place? What’s going on at the next level down?” That’s where things get really complicated. It’s generating those thoughts word by word, and each new word that comes out is based on a statistical analysis of the entire preceding conversation, including all of the prompts and responses. It “predicts” the next word (“predict” isn’t the best word for this, but it’s the standard technical term) based on the preceding conversation and its knowledge of the statistics of its training data. It’s basically asking “Given the conversation so far, what’s the most likely next word that fits with the statistical patterns and relationships I’ve gleaned from my training data?” Under the hood, that’s where the “tokens”, “semantic embeddings” and “transformers” operate. Those are the ingredients for a sophisticated and hypercomplicated statistical operation whose end product is simply the next word the AI is going to produce.

    If you find it hard to see how mere next word prediction could be the basis for the sophisticated reasoning that Claude does when solving a difficult problem, join the club. It’s very counterintuitive. What makes it possible — what makes the next word choice so appropriate — is the vast amount of training data plus the fact that the entire preceding chat (up to a point — there is a limit) is feeding into that choice. The latest models can look at chats that are hundreds of thousands of words long, so that you can, for example, feed entire books into them and then ask questions about them. You could feed an entire war strategy book into the model and ask “Based on that book, what do you think the author would recommend given the current situation in Iran?”, and get an intelligent answer. It’s amazing stuff.

  25. It sounds like it feeds vast amounts of human generated text through a statistical blender, with some constraints posed by the initial request it has been given. Does it only work in English or can it also incorporate foreign languages?

    I wonder how the energy costs compare, between an AI system arriving at a particular outcome, and a human being doing the same. Just in terms of the operations that take place in the interval between raising the question and providing the answer, ignoring all the peripheral and previous costs of getting to that point where either can actually address the question. Thoughts?

  26. faded_Glory:

    Does it only work in English or can it also incorporate foreign languages?

    It can work in any language that’s adequately represented in its training data. It converts words to numbers anyway, so it’s all just statistical computations at bottom. What’s really cool is that I can pose it a question in English about something that’s distinctly French, say, and often it will think in French until it has the answer and then present the answer to me in English.

    I wonder how the energy costs compare, between an AI system arriving at a particular outcome, and a human being doing the same.

    That’s a perfect question for AI, so I posed it to Claude. Here’s his response:

    Here’s how I’d break it down, with the main point being that the answer flips depending on the task and on how you count the brain.

    AI side. The published per-query estimates now cluster around 0.3 Wh for an ordinary text query: Sam Altman cited 0.34 Wh per ChatGPT query, and Google reported 0.24 Wh per typical Gemini text prompt, and Epoch AI’s independent estimate was around 0.3 Wh. Reasoning-style answers cost more: one 2026 analysis found that going from a median of 300 to 5,000 output tokens raised median energy from 0.31 Wh to 3.91 Wh per query, roughly a 13x increase. Long agentic tasks can run into the tens of Wh.

    Human side. The brain runs at about 20 W (roughly a fifth of resting metabolism). Since 0.3 Wh is about 1,000 joules, a typical AI query costs about what your brain uses in under a minute. If you count the whole body at around 100 W resting, it’s about 10 seconds of being alive.

    So the comparison depends on the task:

    Quick factual question: A person who knows the answer replies in a few seconds, so a few tens of joules of brain energy. The AI costs more. The human wins.

    Write a solid 500-word explanation: That’s maybe 30 to 60 minutes for a person, so 10 to 20 Wh for the brain alone, or 50 to 100 Wh counting the body. The AI uses roughly 0.3 to 4 Wh. The AI wins by one or two orders of magnitude.

    The catch: marginal vs total. The brain’s power draw barely changes between hard thinking and idling; task-related increases are only a few percent. So the extra energy a person spends answering is nearly zero; the brain would be burning those 20 W anyway. Almost all of the AI’s energy, by contrast, is attributable to the query. On a strict marginal accounting, the human wins nearly every time. On a “what does it cost to keep the answering system running for the duration” accounting, the AI wins whenever the task takes a person more than a minute or so. Which framing is right depends on what question you’re actually asking: “what does this answer add to total energy use?” favors humans, while “what does a unit of intellectual output cost?” favors AI on anything nontrivial.

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