756 thoughts on “I lost my faith in ID

  1. Alan Fox,

    Whet my appetite. can you, in you own words, summarize what you think is worth my watching?

    Its a discussion about getting your information from authority and how that can mislead. Also he has an interesting argument about the difficulty of explaining consciousness from a materialistic stand point. I would be interested in your view of that argument.

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  2. colewd: Also he has an interesting argument about the difficulty of explaining consciousness from a materialistic stand point.

    This is unresolvable and I’ve spent a fair bit of time on the issue already. There is no explaining human consciousness by humans. It is impossible.

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  3. colewd: Why do you feel this way?

    Even your own religion teaches lying is a sin and enough sin will get you sent to Hell. You’ve told enough blatant lies about evolutionary theory to earn a few hundred eternities in the Fiery Pit.

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  4. here’s another, related, interesting take:

    The central structural feature of natural proteins is a tightly packed and highly ordered hydrophobic core. If some measure of exquisite, native-like core packing is necessary for enzymatic function, this would constitute a significant obstacle to the development of novel enzymes, either by design or by natural or experimental evolution. To test the minimum requirements for a core to provide sufficient structural integrity for enzymatic activity, we have produced mutants of the [redacted] in which 12 of the 13 core residues have together been randomly replaced by hydrophobic alternatives. Using a sensitive biological screen, we find that a strikingly high proportion of these mutants (23%) retain enzymatic activity in vivo. Further substitution at the 13th core position shows that a similar proportion of completely random hydrophobic cores supports enzyme function. Of the active mutants produced, several have no wild-type core residues. These results imply that hydrophobicity is nearly a sufficient criterion for the construction of a functional core and, in conjunction with previous studies, that refinement of a crudely functional core entails more stringent sequence constraints than does the initial attainment of crude core function. Since attainment of crude function is the critical initial step in evolutionary innovation, the relatively scant requirements contributed by the hydrophobic core would greatly reduce the initial hurdle on the evolutionary pathway to novel enzymes. Similarly, experimental development of novel functional proteins might be simplified by limiting core design to mere specification of hydrophobicity and using iterative mutation-selection to optimize core structure.

    Has anyone told gpuccio?
    Pop quiz: who might be the evolutionist who wrote this?

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  5. colewd: I think both Behe’s work and Szostak’s work are reasonable scientific arguments that should be taught as we do not have another theory for complex adaptions.

    I’m unaware of such a paper from Behe. Could you link?

    colewd: Why do you feel this way? This is a pretty hateful statement?

    You represent the anti intellectualism noted by KF. You personify it. As such I hate you and people like you. KF asked why I bother a few pages back. It’s one of the few ways I can reach out and touch the other side, people like you. It’s something of a morbid fascination I guess.

    colewd: I think both Behe’s work and Szostak’s work are reasonable scientific arguments that should be taught as we do not have another theory for complex adaptions.

    Another lie. What about evolution as an explanation for complex adaptations?

    This is why people like you should never be let in front of students. You’ll lie and lie and lie.

    Oh, no, there’s nothing to explain the origin of complex adaptations apart from ID! Nothing even proposed!

    You’ll say….

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