Guano (1)

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  1. Warm air rises, That’s not falling. So it’s not universally true. Perhaps you need to “get an education and then perhaps you can discuss things with the grownups” as you’ve advocated for others.

  2. Attempt #2

    “All he really has to do to…”

    Does he really HAVE TO? Imo, no he doesn’t. And I think both Lizzie and the ‘spirit’ of her rules/guidelines support that.

    And Erik has already said more than the anti-learning [edit] atheists could understand in this thread, to which they’ve shown no integrity of character towards wisdom, grace and charity beyond mere accusation and bullying. The hostility was not started by Erik in this thread; he has been on the brunt of it based on the largely atheist and anti-theist, thinly human posters here.

  3. Richardthughes,

    Your claim was “Heavy than air objects falling is a prediction of gravity”.

    Yes, do you doubt that?

    Warm air (which is air) rises and cold air (which is air) falls.

    Yes, that is a physics thing also. So it is covered in my initial claim but also irrelevant to the CONTEXT of the discussion. My responses hinge on you being able to follow along and stay in context. I should have known better

  4. OK, my butterfly cupcake presented the following video:

    I said it looks like everything went as predicted by the laws of motion, inertia and physics. My butterfly cupcake took umbrage with that but never said what he expected to go differently from what was videoed.

    discuss…. 😎

  5. The majority of atheists are ‘ethical’ assholes, at least, according to multiple social surveys. Simply put: most people don’t trust atheists. Certainly not in the USA (the country of seemingly the majority of posters on TAMSZ).

    If richardthughes (apparently also a USAmerican) wishes to avoid SOCIAL REALITY on a GLOBAL SCALE regarding the majority repugnancy of atheism, that is up to him. No one else need trust his laughable speculation as it is obviously based on his individualistic atheism.

  6. The majority of atheists are ‘ethical’ misfits (sic*), at least, according to multiple social surveys. Simply put: most people don’t trust atheists. Certainly not in the USA (the country of seemingly the majority of posters on TAMSZ).

    If richardthughes (apparently also a USAmerican [but perhaps a Brit; who really knows, remembers or cares?]) wishes he could avoid SOCIAL REALITY on a GLOBAL SCALE regarding the majority repugnancy of atheism, that is up to him. No one else need trust his laughable speculation as it is obviously based on his individualistic atheism.

    (*Again, it seems ‘asshole’ is only a guanoable term when non-admins say it.)

  7. You’ve ‘shown’ nothing but your love for Harris, your non-comprehension of his remarks, and, of course, what a dickish know-it-all you are. And, oh yeah, your propensity for providing links to dumb remarks you’ve made previously, as if that magically makes them thoughtful or something. You love to fight, I know, but what you really should do is…

    Suck it, keiths.

  8. hotshoe_,

    Yeah, those communicative facts about KN are hard to swallow aren’t they? Just like hotshoe’s (self-confessed) intentionally “rude, mean, insulting ass” behaviour. But that’s the sad, disgusting reality we’re faced with.

  9. You are doing apologetics, mung. And lawyering.

    It’s silly and unproductive. Rather than trying to understand the science, you are playing gotcha games over the use of metaphors.

    Juvenile.

  10. Mung: Are you renouncing your anti-gay bigotry?

    Why no Mung, I’m renouncing yours.

    Do support equal rights including marriage rights for LGBT citizens? I do.

    Do you support no exemptions to anti-discrimination laws that protect the LGBT citizens? I do.

    Speak up Mung, no one can hear you.

  11. I was going to compliment the change in tone of this thread, apparently since BruceS arrived and we all started ignoring the repetitive admin bully. But then stcordova arrived and turn genuine dialogue upside-down with his gaming YECism.

    “Hezekiah was about 14 generations after David, David about 13 generations from Abraham, Abraham about 11 generations from Noah, and Noah about 9 from Adam.” – stcordova

    Does that mean ‘generations’ like we understand it today, as in grandparent-parent-children = 3 generations or does it mean possibly great-great-great-great-great-grandparent-parent-children could also mean 3 generations? Otherwise, it’s just a silly argument to make.

    The YECists, in my view, are amongst the most disgustingly hypocritical and egotistic, stubborn, myopic ‘theists’ around the world today. stcordova is one of them. He realises he can’t game me. So he simply complains because his YECism/IDism is such a joke.

  12. Trust me, stcordova, I’m anything but your ‘sweetie pie’. You are a pitiful excuse for a Christian, in my book, based on your slimy & tricksy internet persona. And because you know that you can’t game me, obviously it bothers you such that you now stoop to ‘baby-talk’ to me in your insecurity.

    “there is good reason for literalism.”

    No, there’s not. Your exegesis is that of a child. It sounds merely that your sheltered evangelical Protestantism has taught you not to think. And strangely, like an alien you feel safe doing just that, promoting the infantile YECism and now IDism that is more comfortable where you congregate with your local fellow undereducated Christians.

    This is exactly why you won’t participate at BioLogos (and wouldn’t even answer like a man to my simple question – why don’t you participate at BioLogos?). You are afraid to face intelligent Christians who might carefully and considerately disabuse you of the YECism in which you’ve trivially sown your oats.

    “cattle Eve and doggie eve”

    That’s just dog-gone beef-eating foolish.

    “Do you take Jacob(Israel) son of Isaac son of Abraham as figurative or literal?”

    It’s just a silly unnecessary question. Yes, I believe there were a ‘real, historical’ Jacob, as well as Isaac, as well as Abraham. That’s more important that your polemical question. Your preferred ‘figurative/literal’ dichotomy is just a product of your outdated, decadent USAmerican upbringing, Sal, so please try to get over it, or at least to understand it from a more mature perspective.

    If you wanted to be productive, instead of just trying to score ‘cool-guy’ points with the majority atheists here who don’t really respect you anyway (because, duh, you’re a YECist/IDist, no matter how ‘regretful’ or anti-UD you have become in recent months), you could ask the anti-theists here a simple question (instead of all your duplicitous YECist tap-dancing): do they believe in a ‘real, historical’ Jacob, Isaac and Abraham or not?

    All of this other garbage you’ve been pushing and lying in for years re: YECism and more recently IDism merely makes you look like a fool.

    I would have hoped that a sincere Christian, one interested in the tradition, the teachings and the Fathers, as well as the protestant sons and daughters that they emotionally meet in everyday life, could eventually find a way to that, along the way discarding their ridiculous YECism & IDism without rejecting the core of Catholicity and Orthodoxy. Alas, it appears stcordova wants to flip coins and insult the intelligence of the vast majority non-YECist theists globally instead by preferring ignorance and insolence. 

  13. Gregory: Which name(s) are you suggesting I called a poster in that post?

    This one?

    I was going to compliment the change in tone of this thread, apparently since BruceS arrived and we all started ignoring the repetitive admin bully. But then stcordova arrived and turn genuine dialogue upside-down with his gaming YECism.

    “Hezekiah was about 14 generations after David, David about 13 generations from Abraham, Abraham about 11 generations from Noah, and Noah about 9 from Adam.” – stcordova

    Does that mean ‘generations’ like we understand it today, as in grandparent-parent-children = 3 generations or does it mean possibly great-great-great-great-great-grandparent-parent-children could also mean 3 generations? Otherwise, it’s just a silly argument to make.

    The YECists, in my view, are amongst the most disgustingly hypocritical and egotistic, stubborn, myopic ‘theists’ around the world today. stcordova is one of them. He realises he can’t game me. So he simply complains because his YECism/IDism is such a joke.

    Doesn’t even look to me like you’re even addressing Salvador at all. But I’m not an admin so I can’t put it back. Sorry.

  14. Gregory, do you and Phoodoo go to the same motive-mongering / making things up about people workshops?

  15. You are a young earth creationist evangelist, and you are also going to use your little cry-whinefest thread to criticize Catholicism?

    This is great Sal, please continue, it is so much fun. Pat Robertson is certainly someone we should all look up to Sal. I am sure he has a very charitable heart, he is just shy showing it.

    I think Elizabeth is right, you are starting to display signs of a sexual abuse victim. Barry was so mean to you, I think it is very similar to him spiking your drink and asking you to perform fellatio wearing a clown costume. I can’t imagine the trauma you must be going through. I think you should consider giving Gloria Allred a call.

  16. phoodoo,

    Psst. Phoodoo. Focus.

    Stop motive mongering and read the content of Barry’s email. At odds with what he posts over at UD. Are you being lied to? How does that make you feel? Are you a rube?

    I wouldn’t start psychoanalyzing others. I suspect you could occupy a team for years.

  17. Richardthughes,

    Hey have some sympathy for old Sal. He probably wakes up in cold sweats reliving the feeling of having to metaphorically put on that red nose and cake make-up. Can’t you feel the trauma he is going through? Don’t be insensitive, try to think what would make HIM feel better-you know like the woman who had the miscarriage.

    How would you feel if Barry beat you like that Richard? Ok, maybe you would be used to it, but Sal.

  18. phoodoo,

    Keep going phoodoo, you’re looking great. It doesn’t look like you’re avoiding the substance of Barry’s email at all.

  19. Elizabeth: I guess it was, on short reflection.That thread is a disgrace to UD in my opinion.

    Most of your comments are a disgrace to rational thought, IMO. So?

  20. Alan Fox,

    The sentence is clearly rule-breaking. I’m disinclined to guano it as it is also easily settled. Erik accuses Patrick of lying about whether Erik has answered about what Erik means when he talks about the Biblical Flood having some basis in history. Erik clearly has not done so. No satisfactory answer from Erik can be found in the thread.

    Please leave Erik’s comment as is. Those of us actually participating honestly don’t need to hide behind the rules.

  21. stcordova,

    He is allowed to have many reasons for believing you are a complete kook Sal. He is not limited to only one.

    Now what about your editing of posts at UD, when are you going to address that?

    And what do Tigers eat on the ark? You like to admonish others to be brave, but you certainly are not.

  22. phoodoo: He is allowed to have many reasons for believing you are a complete kook Sal. He is not limited to only one.

    No, he gave reasons in his email. You’re engaging in your nasty habit of motive-mongering again. And it reflects very poorly on you. Cut it out.

  23. Patrick: Please leave Erik’s comment as is. I think the truth is clear.

    “I’m disinclined” is polite UK English for “I’m fucking not gonna!”

  24. Gregory: “I don’t recall doing anything dangerous or blighty.”

    “As a strident, militant anti-theist atheist I have to complain.” – John Harshman

    Why don’t you tell why you identify as a “militant anti-theist atheist” and what you have done because of that identity?

    No, wrong, Gregory.

    I’m going to make this comment in the full expectation that it will get Guano’d but in hopes that everyone here sees it first:

    Gregory, you are one fucked up little pervert. Asking people to open their curtains so you can peep in and wank over whatever skin you think you see.

    You really truly need to see a counselor.

  25. stcordova,

    Perhaps you need to “get an education and then perhaps you can discuss things with the grownups” as you’ve advocated for others.

  26. Adapa: Can anyone see any point in this OP besides being a personal whine-fest / trolling for sympathy?

    Re-asking this question. Why should TSZ host a thread where one slimy dishonest Creationist picks a cat fight with another slimy lying Creationist over who’s shit is stinkier?

    This whole tread deserved to be deleted

  27. “You’re a good foot-soldier, Mung. Loyal, uninquisitative.”

    “Well put. Is there any ethical obligation to expose Barry’s desperate public and private viewpoints?”

    These posts were allowed to stay, but me stating that Barry may have reasons to believe Sal is a kook was sent to guano. Furthermore when I asked for an explanation of why, Lizzie ignored it.

    Lizzie, your site, and you in particular are extremely hypocritical in your views. You use this site any chance you get to bash Barry. In fact the whole reason you started this site was because you had a huge chip on your shoulder because Barry wouldn’t let you said anything you wanted, no matter how irrational, at UD.

    Now you use your site to play moderation games here. Shame on you. You have no room to complain. You should be embarrassed if you had any shame at all.

  28. petrushka,

    Lizzie plays games with moderation here too. I prefer Barry’s methods.

    This whole site is revenge porn for Lizzie. That is not noble.

  29. stcordova,

    You are whining that Barry showed discretion in not revealing publicly his sentiments about you.

    He whines in public much less than you, that is the core of your complaint. So you have come here for the protection of Lizzie’s bulldogs, to whine further.

  30. Note: THIS IS ABOUT THE LIZZIE-BARRY WAR ON IDEAS- THUS IS ON TOPIC PATRICK!

    Lizzie plays games with moderation here too. I prefer Barry’s methods.

    This whole site was started as revenge porn for Lizzie against Barry. As such Barry was completely accurate about his war analogy. I think Sal owes Barry an apology.

  31. Speaking only for myself, phoodoo, I can’t think of anything you have ever said that was worth the time it took to read. You are welcome to post here, because you are such an embarrassment to your cause.

    Peace

  32. Ok, Patrick, you need an example of an argument with Lizzie that was sent to guano because of the argument it made (as if you couldn’t find yourself) Here:

    phoodoo December 16, 2015 at 1:14 am

    “You’re a good foot-soldier, Mung. Loyal, uninquisitative.”

    “Well put. Is there any ethical obligation to expose Barry’s desperate public and private viewpoints?”

    These posts were allowed to stay, but me stating that Barry may have reasons to believe Sal is a kook was sent to guano. Furthermore when I asked for an explanation of why, Lizzie ignored it.

    Lizzie, your site, and you in particular are extremely hypocritical in your views. You use this site any chance you get to bash Barry. In fact the whole reason you started this site was because you had a huge chip on your shoulder because Barry wouldn’t let you said anything you wanted, no matter how irrational, at UD.

    Now you use your site to play moderation games here. Shame on you. You have no room to complain. You should be embarrassed if you had any shame at all.

    What rule did this break Patrick?

  33. Here is another, what rule was broken Patrick???:

    Note: THIS IS ABOUT THE LIZZIE-BARRY WAR ON IDEAS- THUS IS ON TOPIC PATRICK!

    Lizzie plays games with moderation here too. I prefer Barry’s methods.

    This whole site was started as revenge porn for Lizzie against Barry. As such Barry was completely accurate about his war analogy. I think Sal owes Barry an apology.

    Now you owe me an apology Patrick!!

  34. Need another example Patrick? Tell me the rule I broke again?:

    stcordova,

    You are whining that Barry showed discretion in not revealing publicly his sentiments about you.

    He whines in public much less than you, that is the core of your complaint. So you have come here for the protection of Lizzie’s bulldogs, to whine further.

  35. phoodoo:
    phoodoo,

    The rules are made up by Patrick, so there is no link.Basically the one rule is that there are allowed to be double standards.You can call someone a fuckwad all you wish, as long as you don’t believe in a God.

    Let’s put that to the test. I don’t believe in god and you’re a piece of shit.

  36. fifthmonarchyman: We all know that God exists it’s not a proposition that is up for debate.

    A completely vacuous assertion. It’s neither more true nor less true than the the assertion that we all know that fifthmonarchyman has sex with his mother.

  37. If only you were as keen on keeping UD honest, Mung. Now donate some more money, by some books and a couple of biosemiotic wrist bands.

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