Guano (1)

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  1. hotshoe_,

    You want me to celebrate ‘secularisation’, is that the main point?

    “largest first-world nation” sounds like a 60s stench fart. You sound old.

  2. You’re primitive, hotshoe, your ‘nation’. Dose of reality. Should none expect you to properly acknowledge this with your elder atheist bitch tail between your legs?

  3. No, walto, you get some spine and deny it. Idiotic relativism debases you. Your silly little flower avatar looks like a penis anyway. So, you are the penis (philosophist) of TSZ.

  4. Gregory: Should none expect you to properly acknowledge this with your elder atheist bitch tail between your legs?

    Oh.
    My.
    God.

  5. hotshoe_: Oh.
    My.
    God.

    Guy needs a time-out, a binky, and an anger/embarrassment management program. Every time somebody finds a dumb error in something he say, he flips out. And this is obviously bad because he says a lot of dumb things that people will sometimes notice.

  6. Anglophone, uneducated hotshoe spews more for TSZ.(And Lizzie won’t moderate idiot vs. intelligence on her blog, just because she is now a quasi-Buddhist no-draw-liner, except when she remembers her personhood, yet in which case she still welcomes idiotic, uneducated, dull atheism at TSZ).

    “I want to get in a pissing contest with you”

    Oh, really? Please, let’s do, you little adult ignorant USAmerican local bullshit twit. Show your idiocy in public. Please, let’s do this. Speak French in real time with me, ‘hotshoe. :)))) “Yummy” – Alabama stupid. Wannabe ego ‘big’ in SCOTUS session, but super duper small in heart.

    You are a peon. Nobody in their right mind should listen to you. TSZ is scarred by your words (even if Lizzie ideologically doesn’t want to admit it).

    You are “fine with being a rude, mean, insulting ass.” So that’s how people should treat you.

  7. walto: Guy needs a time-out, a binky, and an anger/embarrassment management program. Every time somebody finds a dumb error in something he say, he flips out. And this is obviously bad because he says a lot of dumb things that people will sometimes notice.

    Not to mention derailing every thread with gratuitous insults and making no contributions to any discussions we’re having. He’s a troll, pure and simple.

  8. Kantian Naturalist: Not to mention derailing every thread with gratuitous insults and making no contributions to any discussions we’re having. He’s a troll, pure and simple.

    Also, dumb as a stick.

  9. “Hi, I’m an atheist. I like Elizbeth Liddle’s “Skeptical Zone”. I know relatively little about religion (though I might care to someday). I’m numb. I’m insensitive. I’m a ‘rational idiot.’ But that doesn’t make me inhuman (I demand ‘justice’ and ‘human rights’). Except that I feel strange when I read fanatics like 3 or 4 at TSZ who are haters. I wanna believe them, but they sound so callous, empty and illogical.”

  10. Elizabeth,

    Look, Lizzie, if you want to actively ‘protect’ a woman who in my view is really a bitch, at least give some explanation. As of now, you are simply a censor.

    You want me to celebrate ‘secularisation’, is that the main point?

    I called (not unusual) USA praise “largest first-world nation” sounds like a 60s stench fart. You sound old, hotshoe.

    What’s the problem with recognising that ‘hotshoe’ is in her 80s or 90s, Lizzie, that she is outdated and out of touch. If she thinks she can prove with evidence (google saves!) not she’s told us already about her ‘many generations’ of supposed life experience. To me, hotshoe is a horrible role model.

    In my view, your defense of an admittedly crude, atheist, easily proven foul-mouthed, fool tarnishes TSZ. But you put your “Freedom Evolves” atheism first, don’t you Lizzie?

    Why? Only because of your irreligion? You were never ‘married’ in ‘holy matrimony’. You deceived the Catholic Church, didn’t you. Dennett worshipped you.

  11. KN, re: your new avatar, owls would be insulted if what you think that image means is ‘wisdom.’

    You call yourself a ‘socialist’, spit on ‘capitalism’ and claim “‘family values’ is just apologetics for patriarchy.” Did you tell your employer that? No, didn’t think so.

  12. Christ Mung but you’re a whiny thin-skinned twat. If you didn’t feel the need to be such an obnoxious controlling asshole everywhere you go about 95% of this drama could be avoided. Guess what sweetie – you’re not the smartest guy in the room, not even close. You bring most all of it on yourself.

  13. Not guano:

    Adapa:
    Christ Mung but you’re a whiny thin-skinned twat.If you didn’t feel the need to be such an obnoxious controlling asshole everywhere you go about 95% of this drama could be avoided.Guess what sweetie – you’re not the smartest guy in the room, not even close.You bring most all of it on yourself.

  14. Mung:
    Adapa, Indeed. I should just submit. Like a good wife/slave/dog.

    You should either quit being such a self-important asshole or stop whining when you get chastised for behaving like one.

  15. Adapa, to Mung:

    Guess what sweetie – you’re not the smartest guy in the room, not even close.

    Mung knows that perfectly well. Hence the compensatory trolling (here, for example).

    Pointing out someone else’s mistake may make him feel better about himself, even if he has to fabricate the other person’s mistake, as he did in Neil’s case.

  16. Mung,

    Keep dodging Mung. It’s so cute. I never thought Joe would teach anyone anything, but I was wrong.

  17. Good faith, Mung?

    “Don’t be a Gregory.”

    Mung, you promote & support one of the kookiest ideologies of the past 30-50 years in IDism. There is not a single IDist who has made themselves clear on what ‘evolves’ and what doesn’t (who, George Gilder, Michael Behe, John West, Jay Richards?). They just dance and ask people to clap, donate and laugh.

    Dembski, for example, believes in ‘technological evolution. P. Johnson even believes he ‘evolved’ into the leader of the IDM. Behe, totally unqualified and philosophically ridiculous, pontificates about “all humane studies”. What a joke is that?

    The fact is, Mung, that you don’t respect or honestly confront theists who reject IDism and you fail to distinguish IDism from lowercase ‘intelligent design’, which *all* Abrahamic theists accept. Why? Because doing so would crush the movement you have allied yourself to.

    “I am no YEC. … I am not a Biblical literalist. I in fact reject the very hermeneutic that leads to YECism in the first place.”

    You live in a very strange country to say such things amidst denominational Protestant sectarianism. It is hard to believe you, Mung, not only for the sarcasm and play you regularly demonstrate. If that’s true, then show some courage at UD & say the same things against the funding base of ignorant, undereducated YECists who make the IDM possible by funding the Discovery Institute. You are apparently supporting the taking of money from your opponents (tell the DI to stop!) & acting as if you are on the level. You are not on the level, Mung. You are an IDist ideologist. And it frankly stinks.

  18. Good faith, Mung?

    “Don’t be a Gregory.”

    Mung, you promote & support one of the kookiest ideologies of the past 30-50 years in IDism. There is not a single IDist who has made themselves clear on what ‘evolves’ and what doesn’t (who, George Gilder, Michael Behe, John West, Jay Richards?). They just dance and ask people to clap, donate and laugh.

    Dembski, for example, believes in ‘technological evolution. P. Johnson even believes he ‘evolved’ into the leader of the IDM. Behe, totally unqualified and philosophically ridiculous, pontificates about “all humane studies”. What a joke is that?

    The fact is, Mung, that you don’t respect or honestly confront theists who reject IDism and you fail to distinguish IDism from lowercase ‘intelligent design’, which *all* Abrahamic theists accept. Why? Because doing so would crush the movement you have allied yourself to.

  19. “I have no objection!”

    Pomo bullshit analytic USAmerican ‘socialist’ philosophistry without values based on secularisation wannabe.

  20. Mung: That is false.

    So you’re as dishonest or as stupid as Hunter?

    This is also on the site

    “Scientists have worked out many examples of natural selection, one of the basic mechanisms of evolution.”

    and

    “Darwin’s grand idea of evolution by natural selection is relatively simple but often misunderstood. To find out how it works, imagine a population of beetles:

    There is variation in traits.
    There is differential reproduction.
    There is heredity.”

    Natural selection is a mechanism comprised of variations+differential reproduction+heredity all working in concert. All the IDiot lies in the world won’t change that.

  21. Mung: I’ll spend my weekend looking for any “natural selection” taking place in any computer programs I have written. I’d hate to think I wrote a program and “natural selection” is now busy “building” the program into something completely different.

    This is why I don’t think you’ve actually read any books on what evolution is. You just don’t get it.

    Mung: Am I the only one here who thinks that Elizabeth is absolutely bonkers in thinking that clocks can assemble themselves?

    Liar for jesus.

  22. Elizabeth:
    It’s a very pretty post.

    It’s as ugly as the deathly dirt hotshoe worships and dreams about in her twilight years. This woman is a self-confessed “rude, mean, insulting ass”, yet TSZ’s founder Elizabeth not only doesn’t complain, but calls it ‘pretty.’ Pretty full of shit, is another opinion; opinions which are allowed at TSZ as long as they abide by the ‘good faith’ rule among the faithless TSZers.

    If TSZ wants “tripping balls” and acid to help highlight their views of ‘anti-design’, what a sad place this is. Lizzie has been covered, apparently, in Dennett’s Darwinian acid, which she says is what turned her apostate.

    hotshoe sounds like she’s been an atheist since her childhood, and then an angry, contemptuous, arrogant atheist in her adulthood. Is that ‘pretty’? Not according to my aesthetics. But atheists apparently celebrate ugly on a common basis these days, so hurrah for ‘pretty’ ugly at TSZ!

    p.s. I saw 7 black swans recently on a lake, include one nesting (with space marked protected from human traffic) – indeed, quite beautiful! hotshoe’s intentional ‘rude, mean, insulting’ atheism, however, is far from pretty, cute or beautiful. It is ugly and rotten, stinking human-hatred.

  23. Elizabeth:
    It’s a very pretty post.

    It’s a very ugly and petty post. That’s an opinion offered in ‘good faith’. Yet the faithless TSZ moderation unit seems to think that calling ‘ugliness’ on what they subjectively opine as ‘pretty’ is not allowed (http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/guano/comment-page-22/#comment-74788). That’s a self-acknowledged intentionally ‘rude, mean, insulting’ woman (‘hotshoe’) saying low-minded garbage about ‘design’. TSZ atheist ‘pretty’ consensus thus really means very little (and would be crushed if they faced the reality of [non-IDist] design theorists).

    hotshoe’s acid-tripping views of beauty, commended by woolly Elizabeth Liddle. Check.

  24. When you discover these things in reflection, KN, it is undoubtedly hard to take. And I sympathise with that as a person. Once I learned you were such an intentional contradiction (not even going into the Syriza-like, socialist, hyper-green, radical feminist, way, way, way-left marginality support), as you told us here, an atheist Jew, when the identity ‘Jew’ is religious in origin and primary meaning, I stopped taking you seriously and was sad. Too many lies justified belief as ‘true’.

    And then I witnessed and sometimes read the regular sophistry you post at TSZ as if a ‘philosopher’ (analytic myopia, with hipster ‘continentals’ thrown in, like Nietzsche!) for atheists. How else do you think someone who saw through this façade of an ‘intellectual’ should react. Isn’t it just given to laugh & expose?

  25. Gregory: Noted. A ‘Christian’ nonetheless.

    Mung, you are soooooo winning here! Congrats on another crushing!!!

  26. Ka-BLAM!

    As if there was ever any doubt of your (massive) superiority not just to me but to all the philosophistic atheists. (And I don’t just mean USAmerican ones or the living ones either: ALL!)

    You’re the awesomest, Gregory!

  27. Yes, ‘philosophistic atheists’ are among the rump bottom categories of human being. That you seem to take PRIDE in being one is a sad display to behold.

  28. Gregory:
    Yes, ‘philosophistic atheists’ are among the rump bottom categories of human being. That you seem to take PRIDE in being one is a sad display to behold.

    *Frowns and exerts peer pressure*

    Hey you two take it to noyau or get a room!

    *waits for effect*

  29. PRIDE?! No way! I want to be more like you!!!

    You know, deep, Abrahamic, whatever the opposite of pathetic is, rump top, all the good and wildly impressive stuff that you’ve displayed here! You’re my freakin’ beau ideal, Gregory. I know that’s not much, me being such a nothing compared to your bright shining light, but what else can we lowly worshippers do? 🙁

    Some of us can’t crush, but that doesn’t mean we don’t admire the winners. 🙁

  30. Mods, please take this as my formal request that all of the Walto-Gregory confab here be moved to Noyau.

  31. What this displays, Allan, is that this blog is much closer to “The Atheist Zone” than “The Skeptical Zone.” Several atheists here feel emboldened by the unusual situation of being in the majority. A small few of them, like walto recently (though not as much previously), intentionally choose to be “rude, mean and insulting” to theists.

    Will no Moderator at TSZ even acknowledge this behaviour nor send a message requesting a ceasefire from such “rude, mean, insulting” intentional posts to the ’emboldened atheists’ who spew anger, ridicule and hatred regularly here at theism and theists? Are there any atheist moderators who have courage to speak against that type of behaviour, e.g. calling Mung a ‘loser’ because he is not an atheist?

  32. Glad you approve of my objection/defense of you on that issue. Gregory. Too bad you couldn’t have thought of it yourself, though.

  33. Gregory, Walto has already agreed the exchange between you and he should move to noyau. We can discuss civility freely there rather than continuing to derail this thread. Do you agree to my moving comments?

  34. Under the existing rules, the alternative to such a voluntary move would seem to be an involuntary trip to guano-land. Either way the thread should not be derailed, IMHO.

  35. Alan Fox,

    No, I don’t agree. If walto just wants to send ‘rude, mean, insults’ at theists, then later ask them to be moved, he should STOP SENDING THEM in the first place. As the Quebecois say: “prends ton gaz égal!”

    He has admitted he is an atheist philosophist. My opinion is that such persons are bottom of the human barrel. That’s enough for now.

  36. walto:
    Ka-BLAM!

    As if there was ever any doubt of your (massive) superiority not just to me but to all the philosophistic atheists.(And I don’t just mean USAmerican ones or the living ones either: ALL!)

    You’re the awesomest, Gregory!

    I blame your lack of HPSS.

  37. The sociology of IDists & the IDM is indeed part of my work. But also over the years studying the anti-IDists became part of the wider research. This site, one of the most specifically anti-ID sites on the internet, as it arose via Lizzie’s ‘relationship’ with Uncommon Descent, is a clear case in point. The morals and ethics of people who post here are surely no better and oftentimes are much worse than IDists.

    This thread raises a moral question re: saving a baby or frozen embryos. Nevertheless, the fact that “rude, mean, insulting” communication is not only condoned, but actually called “very pretty” (a “tripping balls” acid-taking theory of ‘design’) is rather damning. TSZ is certainly far from the ‘moral high road’ compared with UD, a site I criticise as strongly and directly as anyone at TSZ.

  38. I expected Gregory wouldn’t agree. He’s disagreeable, generally.

    That’s fine. All the stuff should be sent to guano, then, pursuant to the no ad homs rule (a rule I don’t like myself, but….there it is).

    Gregory: The sociology of IDists & the IDM is indeed part of my work.

    Haha. Calling people idiotic names is your “work”! Great job if you can get it!! Well done.

  39. Gregory:
    Richardthughes,

    Do you consider this kind of stuff ‘classy’ TSZ ‘culture’, Alan?

    1. Gregory, why are you still here. I suspect the majority opinion is you’re a self obsessed fucktard who is unable of escaping his own anal cavity? You will never escape the butthurt from your GregEx talk. Trying to score points will not be cathartic for you.
    2. Hello, Guano!

  40. Mods, really. This guy is just going to shit up every single thread with pointless name-calling. If he won’t enjoy noyauland, the alternative is guano.

    You can look it up.

  41. To ‘keep the continuity’, Alan, guano the sooooo winning knock too. That’s what started it after all.

  42. This thread raises a moral question re: saving a baby or frozen embryos. Nevertheless, the fact that “rude, mean, insulting” communication is not only condoned, but actually called “very pretty” (a “tripping balls” acid-taking theory of ‘design’) is rather damning. TSZ is certainly far from the ‘moral high road’ compared with UD, a site I criticise as strongly and directly as anyone at TSZ.

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