Why this creationist flocking likes this 2019 evolution video!

on another blog called pandas Thumb Joe Felsenstein directed readers to the 2019 evolution videos. i canned them, watch numerous summeries, and a few whole programs.

Added by moderator: This appears to be the Panda’s Thumb post that is being referenced. The videos appear to be HERE.

The only one i gave thumbs up to was by a dude called Bowen. It was called adaptative radiations. What the flock is going on?

I really like this as a creationist. He talks about flocks of specification that turns up everywhere now in the sees. they find, like in the cichlid fishes of africa, clusters/flocking of dozens of species from a parent one.

This is not what evolutionists should expect and Bowen suggests there must be some NEW evolutionary rule guiding this. He finds it everywhere.

The reason a creationist loves this is because it does show a sudden speciation of something that fills every niche it possibly can. including changing bodyp[lan as needed.I would add this happemns on the dry land and in the fossil record. This is very predicted by creationist models to show speciation fast and furious and done and no time needed. that it hardly changes bodyplans after the initial explosion of flocking. And its very likely the morm for speciation and not the exception. Flocking is the normal common way how diversity in biology happened. iThis is unwelcome in evolutionist circles. They want very chance happening that coupled withy mutations and selection make trees/nests of relationships.They want PE concepts with start and stop events creating lineages.indeed randomness. Yet investigation shows speciation is a explosion every time. It doesn’t need to wait for mutations. i think from this flocking can be why theropod dinosaurs had so much variety because they were just a flocking of flightless ground birrs. lIkewise marsupials and placentals and others are just a flocking episode fast and furious. So the evolution talks of 2019 really do have something to offer progress.

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159 thoughts on “Why this creationist flocking likes this 2019 evolution video!

  1. phoodoo: There is nothing that can destroy the faith of the evolutionist.

    Only one thing. Evidence.

    phoodoo: Evolution can explain anything!!

    And Intelligent Design explains anything also.

    Front wired eyes? Intelligent Design
    Backwards wired eyes? Also Intelligent Design.

    Why don’t you find something that evolution cannot explain but ID can?

    That would certainly destroy the faith of the evolutionist. You can, at that point, accuse them of not following the evidence where it leads as they are demonstrably not doing that.

    We’ll wait…

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  2. phoodoo: Unroll the tape can happen dozens of times.

    But you seem to be implying that your designer designed eyes dozens of times, independently. That seems less likely then evolution doing it, as it’s not how designers we are familiar with act.

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  3. Entropy: The “game” of evolution is divergence. That’s it. Some lineages die off, some continue going on, but there’s no “plans” for everything to reproduce like crazy. If something works, the lineage continues.

    But that’s not how the evolution of life got started according to general agreement. The consensus is that it began by the clonal process of prokaryote cell division.

    And you can add convergence to the divergence of life.

    Surely some lineages have survived very long because they produce loads and loads and loads of offspring, but other lineages have survived due to other characteristics, like being good at feeding off those loads and loads of offspring of those other species, in which case if they reproduced just as much, they die off because they would not have enough of that food to feed everybody.

    So the original multiplication of life provided the ideal base which allowed life to diversify, which in turn allowed sexual reproduction to develop. Sounds familiar. Think about the development of individual vertebrates. Multiplication followed by diversification followed by sexual reproduction. There is no plan that says individuals are obliged to reproduce, but everything is arranged to allow for it to happen.

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  4. CharlieM: There is no plan that says individuals are obliged to reproduce, but everything is arranged to allow for it to happen.

    Out of interest, what happens to the ones that don’t reproduce? Does their DNA propagate?

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  5. CharlieM: But that’s not how the evolution of life got started according to general agreement. The consensus is that it began by the clonal process of prokaryote cell division.

    And if that process of prokaryotic cell division were error-free, leading to no divergence, then
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    we would not be having this conversation.

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  6. phoodoo:
    I find it amusing that you feel the answer to the question of why only one species ever evolved conscious higher intelligence is because, well, there are lots of ways to survive, is is a satisfying enough answer for your limited powers of wonder.

    It’s very satisfying because it makes straightforward sense hoodoo. Nothing to do with my limited powers of wonder, a lot to do with my limited powers of reasoning. I marvel at what we can do. Starting with an immense, but, as far as we know, unconscious universe. That’s some pretty achievement. That doesn’t;t mean that I have to be unreasonable about evolutionary limitations. It’s written all over the place phoodoo, there’s obviously, many ways to survive. Our intelligence is but one. There’s limitations to evolutionary trajectories, as shown by the enormous amount of extinctions prior to our arrival to the scene.

    I find it extraordinary that creationists complain that t’s impossible for us to have evolved, yet think that if we did, then everything, every lineage, should evolve into humans. As if there’s no limitations. As if there was only one way to survive.

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  7. CharlieM:
    But that’s not how the evolution of life got started according to general agreement. The consensus is that it began by the clonal process of prokaryote cell division.

    1. You’re missing the point. Again, evolution is not about reproducing the most. Clear now?
    2. That’s not how life started, since there was no prokaryote in the sense of our current taxonomical denominations.

    CharlieM:
    And you can add convergence to the divergence of life.

    Even “convergence” happens by divergence from prior ancestors.

    CharlieM:
    So the original multiplication of life provided the ideal base which allowed life to diversify, which in turn allowed sexual reproduction to develop. Sounds familiar. Think about the development of individual vertebrates. Multiplication followed by diversification followed by sexual reproduction. There is no plan that says individuals are obliged to reproduce, but everything is arranged to allow for it to happen.

    I didn’t say that life forms don’t reproduce, without reproduction there’s no lineages to evolve. i said that reproducing like crazy is not what evolution is about. There’s a difference between reproduction and reproduction ad nauseam.

    Please read carefully and for understanding.

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  8. CharlieM:
    But that’s not how the evolution of life got started according to general agreement. The consensus is that it began by the clonal process of prokaryote cell division.

    1. You’re missing the point. Again, evolution is not about reproducing the most. Clear now?
    2. That’s not how life started, since there was no prokaryote in the sense of our current taxonomical denominations.

    CharlieM:
    And you can add convergence to the divergence of life.

    Even “convergence” happens by divergence from prior ancestors.

    CharlieM:
    So the original multiplication of life provided the ideal base which allowed life to diversify, which in turn allowed sexual reproduction to develop. Sounds familiar. Think about the development of individual vertebrates. Multiplication followed by diversification followed by sexual reproduction. There is no plan that says individuals are obliged to reproduce, but everything is arranged to allow for it to happen.

    I didn’t say that life forms don’t reproduce, without reproduction there’s no lineages to evolve. i said that reproducing like crazy is not what evolution is about. There’s a difference between reproduction and reproduction ad nauseam.

    Please read carefully and for understanding.

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