Specifically, what is the evidence for common descent?(Not quite) famously, Darwin mused about the similarities of taxonomic hierarchies in linguistics and biology and asserted that the hierarchies must ultimately point to common descent. (Chapter XIV, On the Origin of Species) That’s common descent as distinguished from microevolution.
The linguistic equivalent is the single origin of all languages (eminently unproven and deemed unprovable) as distinguished from a language family (with demonstrable relevant organic shared features).
Darwinists are welcome to present their evidence. From Rumraket, we have the observation that all organisms can reproduce, “Nesting hierarchies are evidence of common descent if you know that the entities sorted into hierarchies can reproduce themselves. And that particular fact is true of all living organisms.” Good start.
From Joe Felsenstein we have the doubt that the border between micro- and macroevolution can be determined, “OK, so for you the boundary between Macro/Micro is somewhere above the species level. How far above? Could all sparrows be the same “kind”? All birds?” Not very promising.
From Alan Fox, “Darwin predicted heritable traits. Later discoveries confirmed his prediction.” Questions: Which heritable traits specifically? Was there a principled improvement over Mendel? And how does this lend credence to common descent?
Thanks to all contributors.
Interesting! I never studied molecular biology closely enough to realize that. My bio background is in comparative vertebrate anatomy and paleontology.
Agreed.
Yes, this is absolutely crucial. And that’s true even though those local adaptations to local environment include culture, language, technology — and all the complex social institutions that those make possible.
The whole point is to look at each and every organism’s relation to biology. We are the only organisms on the planet which rise above our biology. Biology gives us our senses, we augment them with giant telescopes, electron microscopes and the rest. We develop prosthetic limbs, artificial lungs, pacemakers, MRI scanners and on and on.
Plastic surgeons do a roaring trade in “improving” on biology. Who could argue that breast enhancement is not an advancement in frontal protrusion:)
Our biology is what makes us generally the same as all other animals, you only have to look at DNA. Our rise above biology is what makes us uniquely human. Of course if you want to judge humans from a biological point of view there are many areas where we are inferior to other animals, I’m would not argue with that.
By your criterion (which is another Charlie-centric one, by the way), can’t you also say the same about the Galapagos woodpecker finch, chimpanzees, and New Caledonian crows, all of which have been known to make and use tools?
Anyway, so what if we rise above our biology? What does that have to do with your claims about evolution? And what, if anything, does all this have to do with the thread topic?
I’m flattered. To be compared with a creature from the same stock as my all-time hero, Toad of Toad Hall, fills me with great joy.
I thought that this thread had just about run its course so I didn’t see much harm in going off topic. I suppose I should have started a new thread. I might still do that if I can find the time. I was enjoying the discussion, but I won’t take it any further here.
P.S. I found the ref where I read about temperature control in mammals and birds: Continuity And Evolution Of Animals
By N.S. Sharma, page 162
Not much to go on there. It’s a popular work with no references. Your source just repeats the assertion without supporting it.