Even the scientists are against you. You guys just can’t catch a break.
After analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles – which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, Kaku concluded that the universe is a “Matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.
Let the mudslinging begin!
Is there a primary source for this?
phoodoo,
You bought it?
Alan Fox,
Dunno. Are you hoping you can uncover some ray of hope for the Godless?
Googling “Kaku God” only gets me more journalistic hype.
Find Kaku on the youtube channel “closer to truth”. Phoodoo won’t like it.
Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhIsxAc3C30&list=PLFJr3pJl27pIdtQ_YJApqgjcXlYrQ-Vbl
Phoodoo, after your previous failure, what motivated you to come here and do it all over again? I find it amazing and actually inspiring that you are so totally unafraid of being consistently wrong in public.
Can anyone think of a seven-letter word, beginning with ‘ph’, that means ‘gullible’?
Rumraket,
You should probably have a point when you clip and paste something. It makes it so much more interesting for the readers, instead of them having to guess what crazy spin you are trying to employ.
Is it that Kaku also used to be a Godless heathen like you at one time?
It will all become clear when you actually watch the video.
keiths,
“Guess that’s thirty-one pieces of silver you’ve got now, huh? Sleep well, keiths.”
Maybe you can buy a new watch for betraying Kaku?
Betraying Kaku? You know phoodoo, for nonbelievers there is no “authority” we must believe no matter what. There’s noone who’s just right and who’s words we must believe and follow. We’re all just human beings and we all can be right and wrong about different things and at different points in time.
Just out of curiosity, how much have you followed Kaku before? Let me guess: When Kaku said something you disgreed with, you dismissed him out of hand. When Kaku said something you agreed with, Kaku was right. Right?
Rumraket,
I feel your pain Rumraket.
Cheer up ol boy, you still have Bill Nye and Richard Dawkins, probably.
But your second sentence implies you don’t actually understood what I wrote. We don’t have authorities we follow. None of us have to rely on authorities to tell us what we should believe.
Did you watch the video?
It’s natural for phoodoo to assume that others blindly follow a leader. It’s what phoodoo does, so phoodoo assumes everyone else believes the same.
It’s also natural for phoodoo to assume that others believe what they are told by their chosen authority figure to believe, and when that changes they also change what they believe.
It’s natural for people who are basically empty to fill themselves with the words of others. But it does not allow them to understand that not everybody is like that.
So all this OP has done phoodoo is expose how phoodoo thinks and phoodoo’s assumption that everybody else is like phoodoo – an empty vessel waiting to be filled with other people’s opinions.
Tachyons have still not been detected. They are hypothetical. The article is about some particular unconfirmed string theories predicting certain behaviors for certain particles which, if those string theories are true and these particles exist, Michio Kaku takes to be evidence we live in a sort of “matrix”.
So phoodoo takes an unobserved hypothetical entity to be evidence that another unobserved hypothetical entity created the first one. You can’t make this shit up.
What spectacular failure will the next phoodoo thread amuse us with? Bring out your bingo cards.
If tachyons don’t exist, then truth cannot exist.
Rumraket,
Musk, Kaku, Liddle, how much more defection can your side take? Who is next, Degrasse-Tyson?
I admire your ability to put on such a brave face. It can’t be easy.
Hoax?
Don’t know, but it’s a pretty obscure matter. No one seems to be sure what Kaku’s point really is, according to the reports.
Glen Davidson
GlenDavidson,
I wouldn’t worry Glen. If its true, you can always denounce him as crazy, or just say your side doesn’t need to listen to authority.
If its a hoax, then you can go back to listening to authority. Win-win.
Better believe in (non-magic) evolution because Michio Kaku.
Phoodoo logic. Not much good, but can he follow his own “logic”?
Glen Davidson
Have you ever cared about getting to the truth, rather than flinging unsupported charges against the “other”?
Glen Davidson
People have defected? From what to what? What are the “sides” here?
Next to do what, specifically?
If anything that just shows us how you see these things. You think there are “sides” and you would be badly hurt by people “defecting”. I still don’t know what the sides are and why you think the people you mention have “defected”.
Have Elizabeth, Elon Musk, Michio Kaku and Neil DeGrasse Tyson become theists? Do they think evolution is false? Your posts read as if this is what you believe have transpired. Is that so?
GlenDavidson,
Truth? Skeptics don’t have time for truth! Just give them the playbook. GMO food good. God bad. Vaccines good. Rupert Sheldrake bad…
That’s funny, there’s quite a lot of disagreement within skeptical groups with regards to all three topics. Is there no end to the number of topics you can be fundamentally wrong about?
Rumraket,
If there is disagreement, what makes them a “skeptical group”. I thought you all had individual thought. Why do you call yourselves a group? Do you even get the contradiction of your words?
A general skepticism of extraordinary claims not supported by extraordinary evidence.
Hence disagreement. Do you think before you post?
Rumraket,
So skeptics doubt the existence of life on other planets?
Yes. Is that news to you?
It seems to me we simply don’t know enough to be able to put numbers on it so it becomes unlikely given all the planets in the known universe. We need more information.
There’s a difference between saying there could be life on other planets and claiming to know there is. If somebody says they know there is, I’d be highly skeptical of that.
Rumraket,
So wouldn’t it be ridiculous for someone who identifies as a ‘skeptic” as you say, to want to spend 100’s of millions of dollars looking for life on other planets that they doubt exist?
No, why? One can doubt it but want to find out if their suspicions are merited.
To doubt it is not to say one is totally convinced there isn’t. As I said in my previous post, the uncertainties with respect to extraterrestrial life are so great we just can’t decide or put numbers on it. It’s all carried out on a sort of “hunch” level at this stage. We need more information, we get that by doing research and observation.
Rumraket,
Do you mean Carl Sgan doubt the existence of life on other planets? Seth Shostak, David Grinspoon, Hewlett, Packard, Paul Allen, and the 130 other scientists who work for the Seti Institute…they all doubt the existence of life on other planets?
Is that the load of crap you are trying to sell?
Calm down, phoodoo. As Rumraket says, there’s no evidence to suggest life either exists or doesn’t exist elsewhere in the universe. I’m pessimistic about finding such evidence but see no reason not to look. It’s worth it just for the serendipity.
Do these people constitute the sum total of “skeptics”? Do they dictate what skeptics should believe?
I’m not here to sell you anything. You ask me questions, I answer them.
As I said, the uncertainties makes it currently impossible to put hard numbers on the question of extraterrestrial life. That means you’ll find a very large spread even among skeptics regarding their thoughts on the subject, because it really is very much up for grabs and this point in time.
Someone like Carl Sagan was, it seems to me, very much a believer in life elsewhere in the cosmos. There are others that find themselves on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Alan Fox,
No no Alan, what Rumraket has said is that the ONE common trait amongst groups that label themselves as ‘skeptics” is that share a general skepticism about extraordinary claims that they have no extraordinary evidence for.
Now if you are claiming that the members of SETI are “skeptical” about the existence of life on other planets, well then you have just invented a whole new meaning for the word skeptical.
In fact, you have just invented a whole new meaning for the meaning of words.
Not everyone who’s a member of SETI is a skeptic.
I’ve no idea what the individual views of SETI members are. I only said that I was pessimistic. But really, there’s nothing to base a probability on though Frank Drake is to be commended for a good effort.
Sure there is.
For the antitheist the unquestionable authority is themselves
peace
Wow. What an amazing insight into the near complete inability of the believer to understand either intellectual curiosity or the concept of keeping one’s feelings and hopes and beliefs distinct from one’s research and empirical claims. Explains a lot. Do please keep posting, it’s a window into a world I’m (mercifully) rarely exposed to.
Rumraket,
It doesn’t matter if every member of SETI is a skeptic Rumraket. What YOU claimed is the one universal of all skeptics, the one reason why people identify as a skeptic, is that in the absence of extraordinary evidence, they are skeptical of such claims.
No I have just proven to you that a number of quite famous skeptics, DO NOT adhere to your definition of what makes someone call themselves a skeptic, so that means you were entirely wrong about what makes a “skeptic”.
I think perhaps what makes one identify as a skeptic, is the shared inability to admit when they are wrong.
Not everyone who’s a member of SETI is a skeptic.
This is literally nonsensical. It doesn’t make sense and follows from nothing.
What on earth gave you the idea that extraterrestrial life is an “extraordinary” claim? It requires no violation of any physical or chemical or biological principles. It is very difficult to research, and, not to put too fine a point on it, there are trees in my yard that predate the invention of radio. Just how quickly would you expect the people who actually do the things you can only carp about to answer all your questions?
Do you really not understand the difference between believing something to be true and setting out to skeptically test those intuitions, and actually claiming that you have evidence to support a particular belief? Or have you just heard the phrase “not even wrong” and set out to scale that particular cognitive pinnacle?
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Woodruff Sullivan and I show that while we do not know if any advanced extraterrestrial civilizations currently exist in our galaxy, we now have enough information to conclude that they almost certainly existed at some point in cosmic history.
and
Specifically, unless the probability for evolving a civilization on a habitable-zone planet is less than one in 10 billion trillion, then we are not the first.
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from here
peace
Who are you claiming is making that distinction in their career, in regards to this? Seth Shostak. The members of SETI?
Are you joking?
fifthmonarchyman,
This is what Rumraket and Alan want you to believe is called doubt.
They are making their own new dictionary. I think Stormfield will be the first to purchase one.
Was about to post the same thing. I don’t see why extraterrestrial life is an extraordinary claim anyway, we already know of life on at least one planet.
For it to be an extraordinary claim we’d have to have some kind of knowledge that makes life originating, existing or spreading to other planets more rare than the number of planets in the universe. We don’t have such information.
Rumraket,
Oh now its not an extraordinary claim!! You have seen the light!!
Its a perfectly reasonable and likely conclusion now. Why didn’t you say so earlier when you were arguing that just because they don’t believe it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t look??? Now you are saying, of course they believe it, because its not an extraordinary claim at all! Its obvious!!!
Have you no shame?
I have to note the irony there. If he’s right and we have such information, then the claim is certaintly not extraordinary, in point of fact that would pretty much make it settled.
I just don’t happen to believe he’s right about that information.