Patrickatheism

If God exists, atheism is false. Thus atheism is dependent upon the truth of whether or not God exists.

Imagine a world in which it is true that God exists and it is also the case that atheism is true.

This is the world of Patrickatheism.

762 thoughts on “Patrickatheism

  1. FMM’s performance here is a fair demonstration of the ‘prison of belief’.

    During the early 1950’s L. Ron. Hubbard’s Dianetics was published and came under criticism from psychiatric professionals and fellow science fiction writers. However, according to Dianetics’ own principles the mere fact that one criticises it just proves its validity, its truth and its necessity.

    Who else but somebody in dire need of Dianetics (comparable to [mans’] discovery of fire and superior to his inventions of the wheel and the arch) would even dream of criticising it?

    FMM is operating under a similar principle.

    Raising objections, however valid, to his claims only cements his conviction in the truth of his religion. (Jesus told me they’d say it’s nonsense – therefore it’s true!)

    In FMM’s religion critics are deemed incapable of understanding. In this way he can blithely utter nonsense statements (God is reason…etc) without having to worry about actually defending them. You wouldn’t get it anyway.

    We’re all just another brick in his wall.

  2. Woodbine

    The mere fact that you raise objections, however valid, to his claims only cements his conviction in the truth of his religion. (Jesus told me they’d say it’s nonsense – therefore it’s true!)

    Right, except Fifth (kind of, sometimes) insists that we actually AGREE with him!

  3. fifthmonarchyman: That pretty much sums it up. You don’t want to call {truth,reason,logic} God for some reason. That does not in anyway surprise me.

    In fact that is just what how God told me you would be.

    quote:

    For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
    (Rom 1:21)

    You left out the best part about what God told you about KN:
    21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

    Wow, just for wanting the God of Reason and Logic to be logical and reasonable

  4. fifthmonarchyman: That pretty much sums it up. You don’t want to call {truth,reason,logic} God for some reason. That does not in anyway surprise me.

    Unfortunately, not for the actual reason, that it’s equivocation.

    In fact that is just what how God told me you would be.

    Completely unsupported, self-serving, assumption

    quote:

    For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
    (Rom 1:21)

    end quote:

    Someone said something. You ascribe it to God.

    Meaningless.

    There really is no reason for me to expect you want to ascribe divinity to God.

    No, it would be nice to know what “divinity” means in observational terms (not circular nonsense and equivocal use of language), then actual evidence supplied based on that.

    On the contrary I expect you to resist that immensely.

    Why? What would be the problem if you actually could make a case for what you have thus far only asserted meaninglessly?

    However not wanting to call God God is not the same thing as denying that God exists.

    Word salad isn’t proof that God exists.

    peace

    Peace is another word that you misuse in your attempts to bludgeon people with your illogic.

    Glen Davidson

  5. walto: Even the three (truth, logic, and reason) can’t be identical with each other on my conceptions of THEM.

    your conceptions of them is incorrect.

    peace

  6. Patrick: Other epistemologies do not suffer from that flaw.

    How do you know this?

    why not answer a question for once?

    peace

  7. walto: Right, except Fifth (kind of, sometimes) insists that we actually AGREE with him!

    Right, you all agree with me about this point. There isn’t even an argument.

    You all acknowledge that truth reason and logic exist.
    That is what God is. Full stop

    At the same time you refuse to honor God as God by claiming that truth reason and logic don’t deserve the title of God. That is exactly what I would expect you to do.

    peace

  8. fifthmonarchyman: Right, you all agree with me about this point. There isn’t even an argument.

    You all acknowledge that truth reason and logic exist.
    That is what God is.Full stop

    At the same time you refuse to honor God as God by claiming that truth reason and logic don’t deserve the title of God. That is exactly what I would expect you to do.

    peace

    If “God” is truth, reason, and logic, then said “God” does not deserve any sort of honor. Such would simply mean that said “God” is nothing more than a human tool for deriving conditional conclusions. In other words, said “God” is nothing more than an abstract concept and thus hardly anything that even could be honored or worshiped.

    Of course, I disagree that truth, reason, or logic exist in any material sense, but I suppose that’s beside the point…

  9. fifthmonarchyman:
    You all acknowledge that truth reason and logic exist.
    That is what God is. Full stop

    So you are backing off your claim that your god is the Christian god? If not, that “full stop” is disingenuous.

  10. fifthmonarchyman: At the same time you refuse to honor God as God by claiming that truth reason and logic don’t deserve the title of God.

    Those certainly are attributes of a divine being but you seem to want to limit the divine to human concepts. It seems like you are making the divine two dimensional.

  11. newton: Those certainly are attributes of a divine being but you seem to want to limit the divine to human concepts. It seems like you are making the divine two dimensional.

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