…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation
Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.
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…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation
Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.
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Most of us strive to ensure that our kids are better than we are and have more opportunities than we did. With you as their role model and mentor, I guess a double-wide in the trailer park is the best they can hope for. But at least they will have the satisfaction that they did better than their father.
Other than banning, Frankie is unstoppable. He is the new heart of this website. You should have known it the moment you let him in and you definitely know it now that you let him stay. Mods here oscillate between dense, dim, and full of it.
The problem isn’t Frankie. The problem is everyone who lacks the self-control to ignore him.
Kantian Naturalist,
From a causal standpoint, shouldn’t the final element be more responsible than latent / potentiating ones? 😉
Hear, hear.
Patrick,
Patrick ignores me and spews his willfully ignorant diatribe. So if willful ignorance is your thing then ignoring is the way to go.
The problem is willfully ignorant people who spew bullshit as if it was a fact. That means the problem is the TSZ regulars who lie and misrepresent their opponents.
Without opponents all you have is an echo chamber where lies and misrepresentations breed. But perhaps you would rather have willful ignorance than actually learn what the opposition really says.
But I understand that constant corrections get annoying.
So, Alan Fox is the problem, not Frankie. This kind of social competence here, heh 😀
Mods, if they are to be functional, do not have the option of ignoring users. I was specifically making a statement relevant to mods.
From the user point of view, I may have Frankie on ignore, but the ignore button does not affect the RSS feed. I may have the requisite self-control to ignore him totally, but this only leaves him absolute freedom to poison everybody else, and this is already acutely visible to anyone who has some degree of social competence.
Erik,
LoL! I am poisoning people by exposing their lies and misrepresentations? Really? Or is Erik just another pompous asshole?
Look, dumbass. if it wasn’t for the blatant lies and misrepresentations pertaining to ID that are posted here on a daily basis, along with the lies and misrepresentations of evolution, I wouldn’t post here.
Over at UD, Virgil Cain has been placed in moderation. Does anyone else find it passingly odd that the trolling volume here has increased at about the same time?
Pure coincidence, I’m sure. We are pattern seeking animals.
LoL! Patrick the fucking dumbass strikes again! The moderation went into effect about an hour ago which means Patrick’s inference is bullshit.
Thank you for proving that you cannot assess the evidence
Erik,
As an admin I try to read every comment, especially those from participants who have a history of violating the rules (sometimes egregiously). As a participant, there are a couple of people who’s contributions I have found not worth the effort of a response.
What is your suggestion? Supporting freedom of expression is not without a cost. I would argue that the minimal cost of scrolling by certain comments is far outweighed by the benefit of knowing that your comments won’t be subject to censorship.
As you are raising a moderation issue, albeit in the wrong thread, and as noyau is here to allow personal comments, I’ll temporarily suspend my declaration not to waste more key-strokes on you.
I enjoyed reading Asimov in my youth, especially the Foundation trilogy. Think of Lizzie as Hari Seldon, who made sweeping predictions using psycho-history that had to be revised by Seldon’s secret second-foundation cabal in the face of the unexpected mutant, the mule. I’ll leave you to work out who is a cabal member, and the mule.
Lizzie asked me to act as admin and has said she wants people to be pro-active during her absences. The brief outburst of obscenity was a new phenomenon and I predict Lizzie would have responded similarly, were she around. Also, I take something else that Lizzie has said that I try to apply. My intention in intervening is to de-escalate, wherever I happen to see trouble brewing.So, tough, Keiths. You’ll have to put up with my pro-active de-escalating until Lizzie finds time to return and take your advice, which shouldn’t be too long, I understand.
This may be a bit obscure for readers unfamiliar with the BBC TV program, “Mastermind”.
Announcer: And now our next contestant, Keiths, occupation – pretentious prick. Specialist subject – stating the bleeding obvious.
ETA I should credit John Clees with the original parody
Lizzie decided to give Joe/Frankie a second chance at participation here which surprised me, considering the reason for the original ban. I was ambivalent but trying to be as open to differing views and encouraging rancour-free exchange is a difficult balancing act. I think that bombing the site with short, repetitive, unresponsive and unsupported soundbites is akin to spamming – a bannable offence.
Alan Fox,
I apologize for my outburst. I have put the provocateurs back on ignore.
Then you should be banning many TSZ regulars as all they do is post “short, repetitive, unresponsive and unsupported soundbites”. I can support what I post. You just deny it and respond with “short, repetitive, unresponsive and unsupported soundbites”. So you should be on that list of bannings also.
Notpology accepted. If you just keep within the rules from now on, that will be enough.
Be the change that you want to see (H/T Patrick).
Well I am correcting all of the ID misrepresentations. But that hasn’t stopped people like Patrick from misrepresenting ID’s concepts. And even when I post longer, substance-filled and supported posts I am hit by many “short, repetitive, unresponsive and unsupported soundbites”.
IOW Alan, you are a hypocrite.
I play by the same rules everyone else uses.
Frankie,
Ezekiel 24:14
So Ezekiel had a double-double. You do understand that I do not give a shit about the Bible, except when I need a paperweight or door stop
And Alan, if you apply Ez equally I am OK with that. You will be losing more than half of your commenters, though.
I disagree with this assessment. On a message board like TSZ, someone like Joe is only “poison” if you give him that power. Neither he nor his statements have any relevance beyond what anyone feels personally about them; they have zero validity or credibility in the real world. ID is nothing to science, education, entertainment, economics, politics, engineering, or any other profession in society. Heck, it’s nothing to religion at this point. Nearly all his claims are notably nonsense. So why would anyone care what Joe says or thinks?
Just as an example, Joe has been repeating his absurd claim that evolution is not actually science because it can’t test undirected change for at least ten years that I can count, yet no one who actually does work in evolutionary science has paused for even a millisecond. Why? Because such a claim merely illustrates Joe’s own ignorance and bears no burden on anyone actually interested in investigating the world around us. So Joe can continue to make so vacuous claims on sites like TSZ for all I care; he has no impact on the actual subject whatsoever.
Robin,
What a load of shit- I did not make the claim you say. ID is science as it makes testable claims. Evolutionism, not mere evolution, OTOH cannot be tested and requires one to prove a negative to falsify it.
And anyone is free to check out my claims to see that they are valid. Or you can remain as willfully ignorant as Robin, Alan, Patrick and the rest of the TSZ ilk
Robin,
The following is basically what I have been stating for decades:
The Scientist, Aug. 29, 2005
Why do we invoke Darwin?
Evolutionary theory contributes little to experimental biology
By Philip S. Skell
From The Scientist, Sept. 26, 2005
whoops
But never do.
Alan — I’m going to comment on your comment in a comment among the comments on the Moderation Issues thread.
Some further context: http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/05/the-unexpected.html
Personally, I think that it is very entertaining.
OK, so Acartia is in full projection mode and OM links to a totally biased site for “context” Too bad no one on PT could refute what Skell said but just attacked him. Typical but still pathetic
Please reference the research that relies on the untestable claim that life’s diversity arose via natural selection, drift and neutral construction from some much simpler replicator. And make your case.
I wonder when Virgil Cane will be joining us here at TSZ now that he ha been banned for mocking Barry’s religion? Maybe between Joe and Virgil, they will be able to convince us that frequency = wavelength.
Yeah, Shallit shellacked Skell (Ooooo…see what I did there?) as well: http://recursed.blogspot.com/2009/12/philip-skell-cowardly-creationist.html
Joe is plenty consistent in his lack of validity and silliness…
Touche! I sit corrected…
Wow, what a fucking loser you are, Robin. Shallit is a well known cowardly loser. Notice that he didn’t refute what Skell said he just attacked Skell. Shallit doesn’t know jack about biology and he cannot tell us who uses the alleged theory of evolution nor what it is used for.
Yes it is very entertaining watching you morons misrepresent ID and choke on science. Thank you
Projection- Acartia is trying to project its ignorance and short-comings onto me. So I do know what it means, asshole
I’ll respond to Alan’s silliness over in the Moderation Issues thread, starting here.
Whereas, of course, you can demonstrate life’s diversity arose via Intelligent Design.
It was designed via design
I’m a convert. What book do I buy first?
Yes, well, he linked to that. Does that mean it does not count somehow?
LoL! One link was to Gary Hurd who just equivocated and didn’t even address the points. Skell wasn’t arguing about mere evolution. His was a specific claim that pertained to specific mechanisms.
The moderators are being two-faced cowards. Well, perhaps it is only one but tat person should recuse itself from beoing a moderator
keiths “argues” like a piece of shit loser.
Here’s a perfect illustration of my point; another laughably absurd Joe statement:
Bzzz…wrong Joe! Concepts are not science simply because they include or make testable claims. The key is that someone (or someones) need to actually test the claims. No one has bothered to do that for ID. Ergo, it’s not science.
The concepts surrounding evolution, OTOH, are routinely tested, contrary to Joe’s comic ignorance. For example:
The money shot:
And
Wow…go figure…Real scientists actually test their and other people’s ideas. And they actually do work…like travel to places to collect samples, collect blood and tissue, sequence data, analyze the results, and so forth.
As for the supposed “supporters” of this mythical ID that Joe claims is somehow science? Not so much.
Robin,
ID’s claims have been tested. IC is real and you don’t have a mechanism to explain it.
Also ID is not anti-evolution so your equivocation is duly . IOW your willful ignorance as to what is being debated is duly noted
Examples please. Peer reviewed journals would be preferred rather than the crap that ID normally references.
And neither do you.
Maybe you should consult with the other ID “leaders”. Or are you referring to your own strange definition of evolution?
As is yours.
Acartia, you are so fucking retarded and willfully ignorant it is surprising that you can type. It bet you use voice recognition software and spit all over you monitor.
Only a fucking coward would flail away at ID when the only way to refute its claims is by actually supporting your position’s. You are a waste of skin