Noyau (2)

…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation

Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.

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  1. walto: Would anyone here care to share what they thought about the VP candidates or the debate last night? I’m curious to hear reactions. Thanks.

    For the first time in my life I am completely ignoring the election. It’s a liberating feeling not having any skin in the game.

    peace

  2. walto:
    Would anyone here care to share what they thought about the VP candidates or the debate last night?I’m curious to hear reactions.Thanks.

    I’d rather talk about the problem of evil than talk about the election. And I hate the problem of evil. (Hence my absence from these discussions the past few days.)

  3. Hi Walto,

    I didn’t watch and this is the first time I’ve not watched debates at all.

    As a life-long Republican and Tea Party member, I used to be interested in political developments, but of late I feel like politics in the USA is like shuffling chairs on the Titanic. Every change I’ve hoped for has been over-ridden by the culture.

    Jimmy Carter once lobbied for North Koreas and Iran’s “right” to develop nuclear energy to help their economies. Of course North Korea and Iran really only wanted to build weapons, not create electricity for their starving masses. Does the average voter show any concern for the seriousness of the Iran and North Korea nuclear weapons situation?

    That illustrates what I see as far as political wisdom these days.

    Because of the deep integration of economies and banking and the internet, one nuclear explosion could cause banking collapse and civilization as we know it could end. Not because we have a lack of technology or natural resources, but because anarchy could result. Think about a scenario where everyone’s bank account goes to zero because of a solar flare like the Carrington Flare of 1859.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Super_Flare

    I’m aware of it because space physicists at my alma mater are concerned about it.

    The collapse of 2008 was a warning sign of how vulnerable our banking and information infrastructure is.

    The banking system is like a human brain. You poison the brain with a little nerve agent, and an otherwise healthy body (the rest of the economy) is as good as dead.

    That is the situation with politics in an era of nuclear weapons, WMDs, and a deeply integrated economy and banking system and information infrastructure. We’re at the height of technological prosperity, but could easily go into a fatal brain seizure even though the rest of the body is healthier than it ever has been.

    We live in an amazing and wonderful time in human history, but also are one step away from disaster, just like the Titanic before it hit the iceberg.

    I hope to God I’m wrong.

  4. stcordova: As a life-long Republican and Tea Party member…

    Presumably Republican all your life, right? But Tea Party member as long as Tea Party had a life, right?

  5. I watched.

    To me, the most interesting thing was seeing how much better Pence did against Kaine than Trump did against Clinton. That’s gotta rub Donald’s fragile ego the wrong way.

    Overshadowed by his running mate.

  6. I watched. I thought Pence won the debate, but Kaine probably got his long term objectives of making Pence lie and fail to support Trump. I wish UD would do politics, the entertainment would be great.

  7. Richardthughes:
    I watched. I thought Pence won the debate, but Kaine probably got his long term objectives of making Pence lie and fail to support Trump. I wish UD would do politics, the entertainment would be great.

    Thanks.

    I got the sense that Pence has spent that portion of his life that he hasn’t been in church or on the radio practicing his Reagan imitations in the mirror. All the headshakes, nods, knowing smiles, and eye rolls were, to me, disturbing–right out of St. Ronnie of Hollywood. But I know a good portion of the populace loves that shtick (I’m in the Northeast bubble so I like different stuff.) He was implacable, well prepared (especially with the “Hey, you take YOUR deductions, don’t you?”), and only started the constant interruptions after Kaine did. (I’ve heard Kaine interruped him over 60 times). So I’m concerned that Pence could have a comforting effect on those undecideds spooked by Trump….if VP debates have any effect on anything at all.

    Kaine also seemed well-prepared, and had some good lines, but for some reason he JUST COULDN’T WAIT to get them in. I have no idea why he thought that was a good strategy (or if the Clinton people told him he had to be their attack dog). The exact opposite approach worked so well for Hillary.

    Anyhow, to me the debate was like an unpleasant conversation between a 90’s liberal and and 50’s-80’s conservative. I felt sorry for the moderator, who I thought did her best to shut them the hell up.

  8. keiths: keiths, otoh, would rape the child and say he had no choice.

    That statement was uncalled for and I apologize.

  9. Mung: That statement was uncalled for and I apologize.

    Kudos. Mung. In this moment, you are a beacon.

  10. Thanks gents. Without doubt I can go overboard at times. The apology is sincere. I will strive to do better. Feel free to continue to offer me a chance to correct myself when I have been “a transparent and hypocritical fraud.”

  11. walto: only started the constant interruptions after Kaine did

    What I saw, early on, was that Pence was grabbing 80 percent of the conversational time, transitioning from topic to topic without a breath. I’m saying that he literally avoided any pause by ending one topic and beginning the next on a single breath. It was really a very slick trick. I don’t have any particular desire to defend Kaine. But Pence knew that he was exploiting the format, and that he was looking very innocent while doing it. He had no interest in allowing Kaine to respond point by point, and therefore bears at least as much of the blame for wrecking the debate as Kaine does. But it of course does not look that way to most people.

    I think what counts as a win for Kaine is not to win the debate, but to keep Pence from repairing the damage that Trump inflicted upon himself. With only 5 days between debates, It may be hard to tell from the polls what the impact was.

  12. stcordova: DNA_jock’s trolling,

    Since you don’t reciprocate to my questions, I won’t reciprocate to any more of yours. You’re now on my ignore list until I change my mind, troll.

    LoL!

    If you disagree with Salvador, you’re a troll, and you go on his ignore list. Now we know the reason I’m on his ignore list, because I’ve never put up with his bullshit claims. I’m a troll!

  13. I don’t know. I think it’s common courtesy to try to respond to people’s questions if they take the time and trouble to try to respond to yours. Admittedly, I don’t see the necessity of using the Ignore function in this case, but I can see why Sal would stop making any effort to answer Jock’s questions. I’ve had this trouble with keiths for years.

  14. I’m not going to visit UD to find out, but I’m curious when Wikileaks fell from grace. It was lauded a few years ago.

  15. Oh, goodness, they’re shielding vjtorley from me now. =D Heaven help Vincent from the theist, while the atheist skeptics ‘heartily’ protect him at TSZ! Are we seeing the (il)logic of ex-Expelled Syndrome in rehab … still based solidly in Abrahamic religious faith?!

    Be calm, agitated ‘skeptics’ both atheist/agnostic moderators, I’m not planning to stay. Just popping in to say hello. You’re as a ‘blogging community’ next to last on considerable list of contacts for a major foray now in the works. This is in Moderation: are you going to Guano it again too because you don’t know what else to do?

    Why so bitter? Because the ‘skeptics’ here collectively believe in NOTHING (not even everyone here together who believes in nothing counts as something!) and seem to think more people should adopt such soulless thinking when more inspiring worldviews are on offer and welcoming. Sorry, we’re not gonna take that impoverished Darwinian reductionistic ‘naturalistic’ (anti-theological) worldview.

    And positioning yourselves against the message soon to come will only help tip the population in its favour (which I doubt is going to need much help, placed as it comes at a Royal time). So only revel in the anger and hatred temporarily because unless you let it go, more is surely going to come over what’s about to happen. I’m predicting Nick Matzke is going to love it most! =)

    That’s enough for your TSZ ‘moderation’ shenanigans! = (

  16. William Spearshake says on his blog:

    Uncommon Descent, the most unscientific science web-site, claims to serve the Intelligent Design Community from a non-theistic perspective (i.e., science). But does their assertion stand up to scrutiny?”

    Richard Hughes adds:

    All Science So Far!

    Where does UD claim to serve the ID community from a non-theistic or scientific perspective?

    The Perplexing Argument of Atheistic Materialism (October 5). Another argument for supernaturalism by WJM (i.e., God, but only the Christian God).

    William J. Murray isn’t a Christian.

    It seems my memes and activities are getting lodged into Richard the Biological Automaton’s cogs.

  17. WJM: “Where does UD claim to serve the ID community from a non-theistic or scientific perspective?”

    ID claims to be scientific and not “creationisms dressed up in a cheap tuxedo”. UD’s tag line is “Serving the ID community”. How does it do this when the tiniest fraction of OPs are about science, and most are about religion, or subjects “owned” by religion? For example, how do KF’s OPs about the downfall of civilization serve the ID community? How do your OPs about objective morality, serve the ID community? How do arguments against homosexuality and same sex marriage serve the ID community? The only way I can see this being true is if you are admitting that ID is theistic.

  18. phoodoo:
    Acartia,

    You keeping interchanging UD with ID.UD has their own point of view.Intelligent design is not a community.Its an idea.

    So, you agree with me. UD does not serve the ID community. I believe that that is what my original point was about. But I have a follow up question. If UD is not serving the ID community, as it claims to, what is it serving? The only conclusion I can come to is that it serves the fragile egos of Barry, Gordon, Denyse and William.

  19. WJM:William J. Murray isn’t a Christian.”

    If it swims like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck….

  20. phoodoo:
    Acartia,

    ID can have a community, without ID being a community.

    I see no contradiction.

    But the UD tag line is “Serving THE Intelligent Design Community”. Not “Serving AN Intelligent Design Community.” My question stands, How is it serving ID when most of their OPs are about religion, homosexuality, the downfall of civilization, assertion objective morality, climate change denials, and self-evident truths? In a one month period there was not a single OP about ID science. I am not making this up; it is there for all to see.

  21. Mung:
    Boy I’ve missed Frankie and Adapa.

    FrankenJoe has resurfaced over at Darwin’s God. Still asking for a link to the theory of evolution.

  22. “Que sera, sera / Whatever will be, will be / The future’s not ours to see / Que sera, sera” is not a theory.

  23. Mung:
    “Que sera, sera / Whatever will be, will be / The future’s not ours to see / Que sera, sera” is not a theory.

    True. But i have faith that ID can get beyond this.

  24. Alan Fox is a fucking liar/ bluffer for claiming there is a theory of evolution and never linking to it.

    Evolutionists are full of shit

  25. Frankie:
    Alan Fox is a fucking liar/ bluffer for claiming there is a theory of evolution and never linking to it.

    Evolutionists are full of shit.

    As I said in the other thread…

    Google “theory of evolution”. Google “evidence for evolution”.

    Any hits?

  26. Alan Fox: As I said in the other thread…

    Google “theory of evolution”. Google “evidence for evolution”.

    Any hits?

    I get hits when I google “bigfoot”, “Santa Claus”, “unicorn”

    Obviously you are a mental midget that has serious issues.

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