Moderation Issues (6)

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1,528 thoughts on “Moderation Issues (6)

  1. Gregory,
    From your response, it appears that you understand the rule, you wish to claim protection under it (and then some, insisting that people do not use any diminutives of your name), but you do not wish to be constrained by it. This does not strike me as equitable.
    You also seem to be rather vituperative about anyone who dares to disagree with the might Gregory [redacted], and admit to a history of precisely the behaviour that you would want the moderators to prevent others from indulging in.
    Frankly, you are making my point for me.
    Obviously, you are not responsible for J-Mac coming along right afterwards and bastardizing my handle and Neil’s in an attempt to insult us, but I hope you can appreciate the irony there.

  2. DNA_Jock:
    Gregory,
    From your response, it appears that you understand the rule, you wish to claim protection under it (and then some, insisting that people do not use any diminutives of your name), but you do not wish to be constrained by it. This does not strike me as equitable.
    You also seem to be rather vituperative about anyone who dares to disagree with the might Gregory [redacted], and admit to a history of precisely the behaviour that you would want the moderators to prevent others from indulging in.
    Frankly, you are making my point for me.
    Obviously, you are not responsible for J-Mac coming along right afterwards and bastardizing my handle and Neil’s in an attempt to insult us, but I hope you can appreciate the irony there.

    Insulting? You are definitely joking…
    Maybe you should publish Gregory’s OP with the note you placed on mine?

    [Admin edit: This thread is, with the agreement of the thread author, a rule-free thread.] ?
    And then see if he, and others, are going to find it funny…

    http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/help-dr-lenski-to-design-real-ltee/

  3. No J-Mac, I did not place that notation on your thread.
    I thought that was a bad idea when it was done (with your consent) to your thread, and I still think it is a bad idea. You have me confused with someone else.

  4. DNA_Jock:
    No J-Mac, I did not place that notation on your thread.
    I thought that was a bad idea when it was done (with your consent) to your thread, and I still think it is a bad idea. You have me confused with someone else.

    This trick didn’t work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg trails who thought it was a bad idea to exterminate millions of Jews…

  5. Neil Rickert: As it stands, this is a personal attack post.No, I will not approve it.

    It’s a subtle one…Just like you conspired with Jock to force me to agree to the conditions of your scheme in order to expose me to insults on the LTEE OP…

  6. J-Mac: This trick didn’t work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg trails who thought it was a bad idea to exterminate millions of Jews…

    Did you really just make an analogy between moderation and the Holocaust??? Are you nuts?

  7. J-Mac: It’s a subtle one…Just like you conspired with Jock to force me to agree to the conditions of your scheme in order to expose me to insults on the LTEE OP…

    Is someone forcing you now to expose yourself to insults or is it your idea ?

  8. newton: Did you really just make an analogy between moderation and the Holocaust??? Are you nuts?

    No. I attempted to make the clear point to that there is a drastic difference between disagreeing with orders, and not doing anything about it, and compliance…
    While it maybe an extreme analogy, it does drive the point home because many Nazis claimed that they had disagreed with superior orders and yet they complied with them… “We were just following the orders”

    While this is a public blog, it represents the clash of ideologies…
    Neil took it upon himself to implement censorship to protect his bias side against the owners wishes and site rules…

    Therefore, Jock’s compliance is inexcusable…

  9. newton: Is someone forcingyou now to expose yourself to insults or is it your idea ?

    The greatest part of free will is that you can oppose insults and biases with evidence…
    That’s what TSZ was supposed to be about until the holy trinity of Alan, Neil and Jock took over…

  10. J-Mac: No. I attempted to make the clear point to that there is a drastic difference between disagreeing with orders, and not doing anything about it, and compliance…

    By using the the murder and torture of millions of people as an example of similar behavior.

    While it maybe an extreme analogy, it does drive the point home because many Nazis claimed that they had disagreed with superior orders and yet they complied with them… “We were just following the orders”

    You think maybe?

    While this is a public blog, it represents the clash of ideologies…
    Neil took it upon himself to implement censorship to protect his bias side against the owners wishes and site rules…

    Therefore, Jock’s compliance is inexcusable…

  11. newton: By using the the murder and torture of millions of people as an example of similar behavior.

    Sorry about the post , cooking ribs, got distracted, timed out the edit

  12. J-Mac: The greatest part of free will is that you can oppose insults and biases with evidence…

    In your case it seems like the ability to respond with insults when presented with evidence is the dominant part.

    That’s what TSZ was supposed to be about until the holy trinity of Alan, Neil and Jock took ove

    It does not exist without them, and they were asked and have not been requested to leave.

    In fact , there has been a relaxation of moderation.

  13. newton,

    It does not exist without them…

    Oh, please. TSZ depends on its contributors and commenters — not the moderators — for its existence.

    In fact , there has been a relaxation of moderation.

    Alan’s departure has been of enormous benefit to TSZ, which is now thriving in his absence. Jock and Neil seem to be subdued, at least for the time being, possibly due to the blowback from their disastrous coup against Mung.

    Less moderation = a better TSZ.

  14. This is worth a repost:

    Alan, in March:

    Maybe it’s time to pack up the experiment and move on. This site can be archived and whoever wants to set up a site or forum more in line with their preferences should go ahead and do so.

    Alan was ready to shut the site down. But now that he and his abuses are gone, TSZ is thriving again as a site for vigorous and substantive discussion.

    There are still abuses, such as Neil and Jock’s refusal to restore me to Author status, but even they are behaving better in Alan’s absence.

    It’s a shame that all of this didn’t happen before the three of them deposed Mung as moderator.

  15. keiths:
    newton,

    Oh, please.TSZ depends on its contributors and commenters — not the moderators — for its existence.

    And its ownership to provide a place for those commenters. You think Lizzie would continue to provide the ownership to an unmoderated site . Not me.

    Alan’s departure has been of enormous benefit to TSZ, which is now thriving in his absence

    Like to see the numbers for that claim

    Jock and Neil seem to be subdued, at least for the time being, possibly due to the blowback from their disastrous coup against Mung.

    And what particular blowback is that? Everyone still has their job, Lizzie made no changes. You still are complaining about moderation. Christianity still to be enduring without mung as a moderator. Seems pretty much the same.

    Less moderation = a better TSZ.

    Less is good , none is not.

  16. newton,

    Well, don’t worry. Neils is here to tell you he is still going to play the role of Alan. You know, ignoring ten pages of vacuous insults, then postings warnings (to the non-atheists, suprise, surprise) if they respond.

    So its business as usual really. Just Neil being his old biased self, hoping to take up some slack for Alan.

  17. phoodoo:
    newton,

    Well, don’t worry.Neils is here to tell you he is still going to play the role of Alan.

    Thanks but I usually save my worry for things that matter. My position is without him and the others mods ,Lizzie folds the tent. The fact ,even with them to do the work of running the place , she has not is interesting and surprising.

    You know, ignoring ten pages of vacuous insults, then postings warnings (to the non-atheists, suprise, surprise) if they respond.

    Perhaps he is trying to help you remember and follow the words of God “

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.”

    So its business as usual really.Just Neil being his old biased self, hoping to take up some slack for Alan.

    Neil ,probably, is hoping he can make a clean getaway like Alan.

  18. Due to continued moderator abuses, another OP of mine is being held — pointlessly — in the Pending queue.

  19. Sad to see there is still no real effort to improve this site to facilitate interesting discussions with folks holding a different perspective
    It is a shame.

    Peace

  20. Dear Admins/Mods:

    We’ve got a LaTeX problem. First I enter an equation that’s previously been rendered.

        \[\chi = -\!\log_2[ 10^{120} \cdot \varphi_S(T)\cdot \mathbf{P}(T|\mathbf{H})]\]

    There’s no problem. I copy-and-paste that equation below, and change the base of the logarithm from 2 to 3:

        \[\chi = -\!\log_3[ 10^{120} \cdot \varphi_S(T)\cdot \mathbf{P}(T|\mathbf{H})]\]

    It appears to me that the system reuses renderings of equations it has rendered before, that the it doesn’t have storage it needs to render new equations. The following is an attempt to display 2 + 2 = 193, which I predict will fail:

        \[2 + 2 = 193.\]

    Now I attempt to do the same inline: 2 + 2 = 193.

  21. P.S. (edited)–I’ve seen Alan do 1 + 1 = 2, so I believe that there’s already a .dvi file for the expression, and that one or the other (or both) of the following will work: 1 + 1 = 2

        \[1 + 1 = 2\]

    What this tells me is that Alan did an inline equation, not a display equation.

    ETA: Put simply, it looks like either (1) we’ve used up the available storage (wherever .dvi files go) or (2) the LaTeX plugin no longer has permission to write .dvi files.

    IMPORTANT: Someone else has just posted a complaint about this at the QuickLaTeX site, so the problem is not unique to us. There’s not yet a solution.

  22. I’ve gotten a response from the creator of QuickLaTeX:

    Pavel Holoborodko
    Posted July 23, 2019 at 7:25 pm | #
    OK, geat, thank you very much for the example, now we can reproduce the issue.
    We will do detailed server diagnostics within next several hours (and hopefully will fix the issue).

  23. Admins:

    Looking in our (local) QuickLaTeX cache

    http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/wp-content/ql-cache/

    I see only locally stored PNG images and symbolic links to remotely stored PNG images — not .dvi files. Evidently the images are generated remotely. So the failure to create the .dvi file — an intermediate step in creating the image — evidently is at the QuickLaTeX site, not here.

    ETA: Things are working fine now: 2 +2 = 193.

    Well, hell… My examples, above, of what was broken now make no sense.

  24. Looks like the external site had a problem that was fixed, so now your latex equations look just fine.

  25. It’s been 17 days since the last new thread. I’m thinking of starting a thread on the Hemaglobin Number that Dawkins referenced in his weasel description. Anyone else in the queue? If so, I’ll wait my turn.

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