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colewd,
Hahaha. Let’s hear it for Fox, Drudge, Alex Jones and Breitbart. Where the real truths are unearthed!
Can anybody please remind me why I come here?
(And I talk about other people being nuts.). Where the hell is Allan Miller?
You enjoy taking abuse from keiths.
It also has a secular purpose to create a legally binding union.
There was no job ,Fifth. He expressed his opinion , just as you are now.
He apparently does not have a handle on what is taking place there
It is not rocket science, Fifth. Walto just ignored it.
How about this?
How about critiques of other people’s critiques of the religious rituals?
I never have,but have a doozy about a minister at a friend’s funeral.
peace
Wherever he is, I bet he’s not repeating himself!
Do share!
walto,
And their worthy opposites MSNBC, CNN, ABC CBS, the Washington Post New York times. Quite a shxx show for us all to witness.
colewd,
BTW, Bill. I sort of promised to pick up on Rumraket’s earlier thread with you. We’re inundated with friends and family over August so not going to have time till the end of summer.
Alan Fox,
No problem. Have a great holiday Alan. 🙂
I can only speak for myself, but I’m glad you’re here. I really appreciated you’re presence on the somewhat pointless Thermodynamics discussion that went on for about 1500 comments.
Where do you go for the real story? The Heritage Foundation?
Thanks, Sal. I learned a lot from that thread. Read a bunch of stuff I wouldn’t have otherwise. Since I’ve been here I feel like I’ve learned a great deal from maybe half a dozen threads. That was one of them. I believe it ended, as most (all?) of them did, by keiths shitting all over it, but I could be wrong. And you really can’t blame him if that’s the way it went down: he’s crazy.
walto,
If I get confused enough earth ground is NPR.
Ah, you mean the way I do. Probably right about that. Very valuable contributor here, IMHO. I wish he’d write his book.
You can do that at the court house with the justice of the peace.
I have no problem with legally binding unions of any sort. Corporations and business partnerships require that sort of thing.
We just don’t call it a Christian wedding.
and suggested a way to be rid of it……. and…….. felt in necessary to share his exploits and opinions about this very personal experience here because he thought it had something to do with “souls and Christianity”
As a result I just asked a short question.
A short off the cuff question is not a critique.
Neither is defending myself against multiple charges that I was being uncivil or demanding special treatment because I asked the question.
I’m way more than happy to let the whole matter drop.
peace
colewd,
AP? Christian Science Monitor?
Hunh. I wonder who brought it up in this thread?
Amazon.
walto,
Nope. NPR. Unless I am in the mood for a good conspiracy theory 🙂
colewd,
Interesting. Repubs have been threatening to defund NPR for many years, haven’t they? I thought they took it to be a left-wing conspiracy-mongering organization.
we have come full circle
We are all biased and see information sources that disagree with us as biased.
Hamilton would probably suggest that the solution is diversity and checks and balances to protect minority views.
hence the need for this website and better moderation
peace
That would be keiths.
I’ll bet it’s because this is the only place I can see his posts
peace
walto,
I didn’t know they were. Interesting.
They aren’t.
It’s not a surprise really, is it, Mung? You actually likely know some of the ways in which they’ve acted deviously, even towards ‘Christianity’, in your own heart anyway. The jilted protection Mung makes isn’t actually of the DI; it’s more likely whatever he imagines it could have been. A sure sign that still promoting IDism is a waste of time for evangelical protestants to flex their tired minds on the topic.
I’m confused
What idea exactly are you attacking here?
peace
What does ‘as opposed’ mean? The NCSE has served an important purpose in the USA in the face of whacky distorted Christianity called ‘young earth creationism.’ These are largely confused, surprisingly over-confident in their own knowledge, yet statistically under-educated people, who are far from the cutting edge of anything … other than local theologies & sectarian congregating. They’ve been ‘infected’ by superficial thoughts, just as what turned into ‘Intelligent Design’ (e.g. calling Dembski the ‘Newton of information theory’), yet the blind spot continues to stare DI’s leadership right in the face.
I’m not from USA, thank God. Why ask me questions centred on your nation-state?
Remind me please the view you are promoting here colewd. It’s unconventional woolly theism of some kind, it seems from the above.
fifthmonarchyman,
Intelligent Design ideology, shorthand IDism. Most IDists deny it exists. Thus, I’m attacking the ‘strictly scientific’ mirage of IDT, which is more accurate in most cases to describe as ideological IDism. Again, I learned this from reading, listening & discussing with the leaders of the DI themselves in Seattle.
Creationism isn’t the main topic any more. Credible Muslims, Christians, and Jews, along with Baha’is, and other monotheists needn’t be tricked anymore by that ideology. They and we can escape it. Thus, BioLogos. Needed & valuable mission for backwards, under-educated USAmericans to ‘get wisdom’ as if they forgot to read Proverbs 3.
The DI, however, attacks BioLogos for their ‘theistic evolution’ (not even just for the ideology of ‘theistic evolutionism’, mind you, but simply for holding a ‘theistic’ view of ‘biological evolution) as if they are against Muslims, Christians & Jews who in any way accept biological evolution and reject ideological IDism.
But the DI refuses to admit it has exaggerated, stretched, warped, distorted, etc. the notion of ‘design’ as Thaxton, it’s originator in 1984 (with Olson & Bradley). The IDM has invested ‘design’ with such rot that there really seems no way to rescue it. The IDM has for a long time into the future dirtied the word ‘design’ by it’s propaganda.
IDists believe they are gods – that they are mini-Designers. Most other ‘orthodox’ Christians, Jews and Muslims are not so arrogant about human beings as the ideology of IDism requires of you, colewd. It’s an arrogant combination of ‘science & religion’ that borders on heresy & continues to conveniently ignore the elephant in the room.
As long as one is not an ‘IDist,’ one can do as much ‘design thinking’ as one wants *anywhere* in the Academy. It’s only the IDists who have muddied, soiled & tainted ‘design’, even among non-evangelical protestant theologians. Sad that colewd seems to know nothing about this reality as it could save him from likely extremism in the name of IDT.
Gregory,
Seems like you have made a generalization to me.
Not sure I am promoting anything. I do favor the design hypothesis over natural selection as the origin of new functional information. I also do not believe in universal common descent. I do believe we live in a created universe. How about you?
The NCSE happens to be in my back yard and I attended one of their meetings and felt they were no different then the DI only with a secular spin.
Gregory,
Funny, I just see it as another political advocacy group, which is no better or no worse. I do admire your passion 🙂
colewd,
NCSE has theists among it’s ranks. Those theists are vilified by IDists & YECists. But most understand the importance of defending ‘good science.’
The DI is so sneaky that, in order to solicit money from people, perhaps people that colewd knows well, it won’t even take an official position about the age of planet Earth! It simply cannot politically say NO! to YECists & thus bows to their propaganda as if individuals in local church pews outweigh the teachings of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.
Do you know the views of the PAS about evolutionary biology, colewd? I’d suggest you learn about them as most IDists refuse to get educated and instead just repeat old arguments as if they can be recycled pieces that were already defeated.
The only reason NCSE exists is because of the plague on the house of evangelical protestant churches in the USA that forced ‘creationism’ in the door’ and try to delude people with ‘creation science.’ If you have no criticism for evangelical protestantism for its role in both YECism & IDism, then colewd, what play are you watching?
“I just see it as another political advocacy group”
Yes, the DI is largely a political advocacy group. So is NCSE. Not entirely. But largely. So is BioLogos; sectarian protestantism at its Adam & Eve-skeptical extreme.
Gregory,
Awesome, we have some common ground. 🙂
Or you can do at the Church.I expect every church has its guidelines of what it requires to use its facilities.
No we don’t, but again you don’t got to believe in the divinity of Jesus to be invited to a Christian wedding or to get something out of it. Or even listen to the minister. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but many Christians ignore what the hear in Church.
Topic was how the soul interacts with the mind, one that was universally ignored.
Comparing it to a Nazi apologist, who could ever imagine that might cause a further derail. Inconceivable.
Not I, I just think you were making a bad arguments and taking the worst possible interpretation of the post.
Me too.Blame keiths.
peace
Need to have a glass of whiskey to relate it , but I did have to physically restrain my wife from rushing the podium. The kicker was the minister was the father of our friend.
colewd,
Nice for us. = )
Would still be glad for an answer: Do you know the views of the PAS about evolutionary biology, colewd?
Gregory,
I got this out of a 2014 letter. Is this current?
Evolution in nature is pretty vague.
I should mention the common design thread that went on for 5,100 + comments. It was a valuable extension of my thought process. Keiths probably contributed oh 300-1000 of the comments by a guestimate. He was on my ignore list 90% of the time, but I could see he was leaving comments by other indicators at TSZ.
So, if Keiths wants to was more hours of his life spewing out comments I’ll never read, he can be my guest. Ironically, as far as I recall, Keith was instrumental in developing and lobbying the ignore button. Thank you very much Keiths.
The thread really didn’t need much moderation as most everyone, except for Entropy, was well behaved.
Ok lets do that then
peace
You do know that “evangelical protestantism” is not an organized religion don’t you?? It’s not like Catholicism or Greek Orthodoxy
It’s simply describes a group of Christians from various diverse denominations who happen to agree that the Evangelion (gospel) is critical to what it means to be a Christian.
They have no governing body and individual Evangelicals disagree about tons of things
Evangelical Christians believe all sorts of contradictory things about science in general and evolution in particular.
If you have a problem with YEC or ID you should address the people who promote those things or better yet address the arguments themselves.
Blaming “Evangelical Christianity” for those things is like blaming liberals for monetary tightening.
peace
I may or may not provide a comment with or without a link when I guano a post.
I do so as a courtesy to the other readers of the thread.
This is what I wrote to Dr. Little:
“Hi Dr. Little,
I’m writing on the behalf of the great majority of the supporters of your blog TSZ. With all due respect, we would like your post regarding your certain return in November unfeatured as all of the bloggers must have seen this message for over a month. Could it be unfeatured by one of the admins you have appointed?
Thank you,
Jmac”
What do you think?
DNA_Jock:
Right, and it’s not surprising that you’d ignore Lizzie’s input. You’ve already indicated that you won’t commit to being bound by her rules, despite accepting the job.
Alan and Neil did the same.
Lizzie sure knows how to pick ’em.
J-Mac,
I think you should try to get her name right.
colewd,
What is ‘vague’ is merely quoting ‘a 2014 letter’ & asking if it’s current. At least a link would help, courtesy if you found it online. Dig a bit deeper than normal because that’s more credible than any scientific body among Protestants. BioLogos & Discovery Institute aren’t even in the discussion when it comes to PASs credibiliity.
fifthmonarchyman,
Yes. And almost none of them reflect upon the role of USAmerican protestantism and fundamentalism in those contradictions. A few of them at BioLogos do. But you’re not there, are you FMM, only here arguing still with atheists? It’s almost as if those folks relish the contradictions in their embrace of hyper-individualism over against more worthwhile community fellowship.
Do you really see no blame specifically as a group among evangelical protestants?! To me that would be to proclaim utter sociological blindness. Unless, that is, you are an evangelical protestant yourself, in which case it may be easier to understand why your protests themselves appear to go against the facts.
How do you know what the “ great majority of supporters” think?
Sounds reasonable, I like the unpredictable.
Done.
fifth:
newton:
Good idea. Walto needs some cheering up, and blaming me will make him very happy.