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The Skeptical Zone
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken."
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keiths,
Seriously, you don’t remember having been over this?
Evidence, please.
It isn’t in the rules, and it isn’t in the description of Guano.
Also, it should be obvious to any perceptive person why such a rule would be a bad idea.
First and most obviously, guanoed comments often contain content that is non-rule-violating. To forbid someone from quoting those parts, merely because the comment as a whole was guanoed or rule-violating, would be stupid.
Second, the purpose of the rules is not to punish the innocent. If someone makes a rule-violating accusation against you, you should be able to respond — including quoting the accusation — without penalty.
This should be obvious, though probably not to Mung and Alan.
Mung,
Keith’s knows everything. Just ask him 🙂
Moving a post to guano isn’t a penalty.
Neil,
Yes, it is. That’s why people complain about it, particularly when it’s done unfairly.
keiths,
So you don’t remember?
Often? It has been pointed out many times that a comment can only move in whole not part and it is perfectly acceptable for any member to repost a guano’d comment minus offending material. The rule is comments that break rules move to guano along with any responses to preserve continuity. That example was set very early on by Lizzie and that is what I do and will continue to do.
I agree. No harm in quoting say”water runs downhill” in a comment that also said “You’re an insufferable prick!”
Oh, the hyperbole! Nobody should see a comment being moved to guano as punishment. It’s simply a reminder to keep to the not-very-onerous rules. Rules which are intended to support the central aim – to encourage dialogue across a wide divergence of view.
Pillock!
And admins are a check on each other. I’m happy to take advice from Neil if he thinks any of my actions are unwarranted or wrong and I’m sure Neil (I hope at least) would reciprocate. When Patrick was an admin here, though our political views and ideas about how TSZ should work differed, we were always able to arrive at a consensus.
Alan,
As I said:
Why are you stalling?
ETA: Your word, and Mung’s, are insufficient. Both of you have a long history of dishonesty at TSZ, and you yourself have even acknowledged that you have a lying problem.
keiths,
The rule that responses to guano-worthy comments move to guano is well-established. In any event, I’m working to that unless Neil objects as Lizzie has also made clear admins are in loco imperatricis.
I don’t give a shit about your infantile allegations at me but I’d like to see some evidence that “Mung has a long history of dishonesty”. I call it fake news.
Alan,
What rule? Show it to us.
Again, your word is insufficient. Besides demonstrating amply that you have a lying problem, you’ve even admitted to it in these pages.
Evidence rather than assertion, please.
I’d wager there’s a strong correlation between my alleged ‘dishonesty’ and keiths’ participation here.
No doubt my “long history of dishonesty” has at least as much evidence for it as my “long history of anti-gay bigotry.” Which is why keiths is now being treated like Adapa.
🙂
Alan,
Sure you do. They’re all the more painful for you because not only aren’t they “infantile”, they’re true.
Does the phrase “quote mine” ring a bell?
Alan, how do you or Neil have the nerve to say ANYTHING about what the rules do or don’t say anymore, after your continued insane antics. You are like the fat Chris Christie closing a public beach, and then saying, well, its not my fault the rules are rules, why should I not being able to enjoy the beach, I am the Governor, of course I can go to the beach! if you want to go to the beach, become Governor.
You had 30 posts from Adapa, some just TWO posts away from mine, calling people fucking morons, shit for brains; you have Dazz saying fucking retard. Even after this you still have Adapa saying you stupid this, you stupid willfully ignorant prick that, calling Mung an asshole, calling whatever the hell he wants…and you, doing NOTHING as usual, are going to talk about rules??? You move my posts for quoting POSTS THAT WEREN’T MOVED! You warn ME to pay attention to the rules! What rules???
Where the fuck do you get off talking about the rules? What do rules mean to you two . Shut up about the rules. You don’t care about any rules. You are a partisan hack, that just likes having your little fun.
There are no more excuses about how hard it is for you to see the violations. its Christie saying, well, how I am I supposed to know the beaches were closed. I work hard, I just wanted to take my family somewhere… You are worse than Trump, Trump doesn’t realize when he is lying half the time.
Rules? Shut the fuck up about the rules. Its a joke Alan. There are no rules Alan. There is just you and Neil. Two lying motherfuckers. Shut up.
keiths,
There are no rules. There is Neil and Alan. No rules. No integrity. No honesty.
Try praying
phoodoo,
Et te, phoodoo?
Whilst inured by now to Keiths’s mannerisms which I attribute to some sort of social disability, I’m wounded by your comparing me to Trump! (Christie is merely taking advantage of his office till he gets booted in November, so what the hell…)
Alan, to phoodoo:
There are similarities. You and Trump both have problems with lying, and each of you has immense trouble admitting your mistakes.
I’m guessing Neil wasn’t around and I wasn’t around when some rule-breaking comment were directed at you. Sorry about that but it’s far from the hyperbole you use. You’ll just have to put up with inconsistency unless Lizzie decides to return and tidy things up
keiths,
And the hair, Keiths!
You have Trump hair?
You really don’t get irony, do you! 🙂
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, since “And the hair!” was such a weak joke.
Alan,
Speaking of your lying problem and your pathological difficulty in admitting mistakes, you still haven’t explained how I supposedly “grossly misrepresented” your position in the other thread.
It’s awkward when you get caught in a lie, isn’t it?
Also still waiting for you to show me the supposed rule regarding the quotation of rule-violating comments.
By you attributing to me a position I don’t hold.
How do you know?
There I must disappoint you. I’m happy that the rule exists. If it is not explicitly stated anywhere then I’ll state now that replies to guano’d comments are liable to move to guano for continuity and so are comments that quote offending parts of rule-breaking comments.
If Neil objects then I’ll discuss it with him and agree a consensus. If Lizzie returns, she will make whatever amendments she wishes. Subject to that, the rule stands.
I have a post with several links awaiting moderation in the Recycling bad arguments: ENV on the origin of life – thread.
Rumraket,
Yes, just spotted it. It’s released.
Alan,
So you were lying about both.
What an ass you are.
keiths,
Responded to your misrepresentation in the appropriate thread.
I’ve clarified the rule about replies to and quotes of guano’d comments. It’s what I have always done and will continue to do till Lizzie decides to return and make her own changes as she sees fit. I’d be very glad if you would try and persuade her to do so.
For some reason half the links are missing. When I try to edit the post and re-enable the links, it gets put back into moderation.
Rumraket,
I’ll have a look, now.
ETA: I’ve raised the limit for number of links in a comment to 20. I only see 4 or 5 in your comment. Is it as intended, now, BTW?
Thank you.
No, I had linked the other threads I referred to also. Right now my post looks like I only bothered linking my own crap. I’m not that self-centered 😀
Rumraket,
Not sure what else to suggest. Neil is more clued up on this than I am!
Is it worth trying copying the text into a new comment, then deleting the old one (assuming the new one displays correctly)?
I’ll give it a shot
What the fuck are you talking about, they were on the same dam page, one two posts above! Every post of mine that you moved, was a repost of posts from others, most from the same dam page! That’s why I posted them you idiot.
Shut the hell up about rules Alan. Once or twice, maybe its a honest mistake. 15 times, and you are a lousy liar.
Shut the hell up about rules Alan.
It worked now. I hereby request delete of my previous post in that thread, the time window for me to have done it has passed.
In fact, you did even worse than pretending you couldn’t see a post (you act like they have disappeared! They are all still there you idiot!), one post away from the ones of mine you moved, which was just quoting another post!, The only post of mine that was insulting, that you did leave, was when I reposted Adapas insult to Mung-that one apparently was ok with you, because it was directed at Mung!
Wow, you are full of shit.
phoodoo,
If you want adopt this martyr rôle, fair enough. In the instance you describe, I happened to look in just as Neil was trying to calm the flame war between you and Adapa. I suspect Neil is as hesitant as I am to guano posts directed at him so I guano’d your comment calling him a partisan hack.
I spend more time than I should looking at TSZ and far more time than I want on moderation issues. There is no 24 hour service.
He never does that. And when it’s pointed out to him, he never thinks he is wrong. Thus, anyone who disagrees with him is a liar.
He simply can’t stand the thought that I am better at something than he is.
I agree.
This was Lizzie’s practice from the get go.
Neil Rickert,
Well, I hope that settles things! 🙂
Yes, I noticed that. I gave it a pass because there were very few such posts.
Then I gave you a pass for the same reason, when you quoted.
Later, when I saw that Alan had guanoed your posts, I went back and guanoed the post(s) that I had ignored earlier. If I missed one, that was an oversight.
Mung,
Well, I’ll concede he doesn’t suffer from self-doubt.
For any normal person, perhaps.
Alan,
The supposed “continuity rule” is something you made up. I recall that Patrick and I both called you on it.
You have a history of making up rules instead of following Lizzie’s. Remember the “w(h)ine cellar”? That was a complete disaster, and because you refused to clean up your own mess, Lizzie had to do it for you. You are a true prick.
This is Lizzie’s blog, not yours. Stop making up rules.
Keiths’s post didn’t break any rules, that I could tell.
Sure, he didn’t pretend that Mung is posting in good faith, but so what? Two days ago there was a whole damn thread that should have been sent to Guano and only a few posts were.
I’m beginning to worry that Neil and Alan don’t agree on what makes a post Guano-worthy.
On a related issue (and I’ve raised this before): I think it’s absurd that we insist on observing Lizzie’s rules. It was tolerably clear from the outset that this site was an experiment, but it’s one that she’s long since abandoned. The rules that she insisted upon aren’t really working. Since she’s not here to be part of the conversation about the rules, we should proceed without her.
That last paragraph asserts motivation and criticizes the person for that asserted motivation.
Keiths can repost without that last paragraph, if he thinks it important.
The simplest way to do this is to rent server space and start from scratch. I’ve been contacting Lizzie for nearly two years now asking if she’d relieve me of admin responsibility. Her response was always a variation on “can you just hang on a bit. I’m rather busy now but I’ll be able to pick up on it soon” which has now turned into no response. I did mention your suggestion to her about ceding TSZ to someone else and she remarked that she’d think about it but probably wasn’t ready to do that. Lizzie holds the contract with the server and the domain is registered to her and without access to the server or rights over the domain name, there is always the possibility that the site will disappear at next renewal.
I don’t know what Neil thinks but I’m not prepared to make any major changes without her agreement. I don’t see any problem with uploading a copy of the site database to a new blog and posting whatever links so those interested can find the new site. I suspect the problem will be to agree what the purpose of the new site will be and who wants to pay for it and be involved in establishing and running it.
Alternatively, what about some sort of beauty contest for replacement admins? I’ve had my fill and I’d be very happy for others to give it a go. (Though Lizzie should be consulted, I think.)