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The Skeptical Zone
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken."
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Cut the crap, Alan.
We’re talking about this comment, as you know perfectly well:
You moved that comment to Guano. What rule did it violate, and in what sense was it a violation? Be specific.
keiths,
Accuses fellow members being delusional. Against rules.
Keiths has become the new phoodoo.
Look at the right column of this site and weep.
So?
Elizabeth also made it clear that meta-issues belong in this thread too, or so I was led to believe. Now it all turns out to be untrue.
If by meta-issues you mean technical matters, then this is the thread for raising them, though a PM may get a quicker response.
This is another red herring, a keiths specialty. Whether or not “delusional” of necessity is an accusation of mental illness is irrelevant.
#keithsLogicFail
hee. hee.
Just like there’s no requirement that a moderator move to Guano a post he willingly acknowledges violates the rules, there’s no requirement that a mod move back any post that he has sent to Guano. Grow up keiths.
Just like there’s no requirement that a moderator move to Guano a post he willingly acknowledges violates the rules, there’s no requirement that a mod has to explain himself or justify himself to you. Stop whining keiths.
What’s that saying about chickens coming home to roost?
He’s more fit than most, and that’s all that’s required. I love this evolution theory stuff!
Fixed that fer ya!
Alan,
Here’s Lizzie’s rule:
My comment:
I am labeling a specific belief of hotshoe and walto as a delusion. That is perfectly within the rules and does not imply that they are “mentally ill or demented”.
And we thank you for your opinion, keiths.
#JustMyOpinion
Well, I’m putting my prodigious mind-reading skills to work here for free, but I think you fully intended it as an insult.
It certainly carries with it the claim that they are delusional. A claim you must support or retract, doncha know.
#LetsBeSkeptical
Alan,
You’re nursing a grudge — it’s obvious — but that doesn’t entitle you to flout Lizzie’s rules and abuse your moderator privileges. You’ve shown us again and again that you cannot muster the minimal self discipline required to manage your emotions and do your assigned job.
This exchange was far more revealing than you intended:
keiths:
Alan:
That’s the problem, in a nutshell. You’ve got the power, and that’s all the justification you think you need. Lizzie’s rules go out the window and you abuse your privileges in service of your personal grievances. It’s a pitiful display.
You are unfit to be a moderator, Alan.
Yes, indeed. It was very revealing about keiths. But about Alan — not so much.
But nothing follows from that because, you know, you’re not calling for him to step down or anything like that.
I simply disagree with this. But I’ll straw-poll our members to see if your opinion is shared.
Mung,
Where did you get that idea?
I do think he should step down. People who are unfit to be moderators should not be moderators.
Are you actually calling for him to resign or are you just informing us of your opinion?
Alan,
What is it with you and “straw polls”?
This is Lizzie’s site. You agreed to be a moderator here, which means honoring Lizzie’s rules. You aren’t doing that. Instead, you have repeatedly indulged your emotions and abused your moderator privileges in service of your personal grievances.
If you somehow managed to get ten thousand people to tell you it was right to ignore Lizzie’s rules, would that make it so? If ten thousand people told you it was right to murder innocent people, would you go on a spree?
Does the phrase “moral compass” mean nothing to you?
*hugs keiths*
Just in case he needed a hug.
Alan,
Every commenter has the ability to post to this thread.
If there is anyone who wants to defend your behavior, they can do so here and give their reasons. I would encourage them to do so.
keiths,
Well, of course they can.
Which renders your “straw poll” pointless.
Anyone who actually wants to defend or criticize your behavior already has the opportunity to do so, openly and publicly, here in this thread.
It’s purely for my own interest. Whilst I’m unconcerned about your opinion, I would be a little hurt to learn that it was widely shared among TSZ members.
If keiths isn’t actually calling for Alan to resign I don’t much see the point in defending or criticizing Alan. Can we have a trial?
I think in order to judge properly I’d have to spend some time as a moderator myself. 😉
Alan,
Exactly. For you it’s about approval, not about doing your job.
You’ve indicated that you don’t feel bound by Lizzie’s rules because you “gave no specific undertakings” when you accepted the moderator job.
If you’re not willing to do the job, then why are you a moderator?
Voting according to approval/disapproval as as indicator of how well someone is doing their job seems to be part of the American way.
#FalseDichotomy
OMG! keiths just edited his comment without tell us he did so!
#MoralCompass
Indeed. Keiths seems not to appreciate that if we were as ungentle as he, those bright-orange rubber bands holding him together would not survive the day.
ETA. Of course, no one should construe this to mean that keiths is suffering a psychiatric disorder. I’m saying only that he’s fragile.
*gently hugs keiths*
I know my moral compass is functioning properly when the needle points towards keiths.
Tom,
If it’s ungentle to criticize Alan for abusing his moderator privileges, then so be it. The criticism is entirely appropriate.
You seem to have no qualms about being “ungentle”, particularly where Denyse O’Leary is concerned. What criteria do you apply to decide when ungentleness is appropriate?
Denyse O’Leary is not a member here. Her attept at smearing of Tom elsewhere deserves opprobrium.
Alan,
I agree. And so does your abuse of moderator privileges.
keiths,
I understand that is your opinion.
Supported by strong evidence.
keiths,
I understand that that too is your opinion.
I’d add that this got started because of a remark of keiths’ that suggested that his assessment of you was widely shared. It’s natuaral to wonder whether that’s true and a poll is a way to find out. It’s, you know, evidence. He keeps telling us how much he likes that stuff.
Oh lord, as if keiths abominations yesterday weren’t enough, I see we have to let him inflict himself upon us again today.
Yes, thank god!!!
Ah, just to make clear, I’d be every bit as happy with what I wrote whether it all gets moved to guano, or some, or none.
But thank god I live in a world where I have the chance to say “Fuck off douchebag” to someone who’s entitled to hear it.
I personally think poorly of whiny people who bitch about the moderation here.
Folks who would rather swing their dicks in public than contribute.
Keiths is a rare bird who does both, but the Mr. Hyde personality mode is neither charming nor useful. I would like to see it gone.
I want to thank patrick for his clear statement of what he’d like. It’s exactly as people have characterized it. There’s no dispute about those facts.
I hope someone will have the sense to email lizzie why it’s a terrible idea.
Well, that’s much more reasonable and polite than I’d be — which is why you’re a valued moderator and I’m not even in the running to be nominated. (I hope 😉 )
You might as well save yourself the rest of the days’ typing and copy/paste that in response to every keiths-comment from now on.
Maybe if you repeat it umpteen times like keiths does …
petrushka,
Yes, we know. You keep telling us that.
I personally think poorly of those believe that moderator abuses should be silently tolerated.
Alan,
I got your straw poll and I’m not going to respond. I think that the issue isn’t if your actions are well-like, the issue is whether or not you are abiding by Lizzie’s rules. I know you and I have some disagreement on how to interpret those, but someone who broke them deliberately while being well-liked by the other participants would still be a bad moderator.
I will say two things. First, I personally appreciate the effort you’ve put in to keep TSZ up and running. I think you’ve been a net positive for this site.
Second, I just looked through Guano and I’m concerned that your recent moderation decisions give the appearance of bias. The Burden Tennis thread has raised some passions. I’ve refrained from moving any comments to Guano in that thread because I’m actively involved in the discussion. If that were not the case, I could easily justify moving a significant fraction of them. Moving only those that you did while leaving worse rule violations in place opens you up to accusations of unfairness.
I know as well as you do that someone is going to object to any decision made by an admin. I’m not suggesting you are abusing your privileges. I’m simply saying that it’s not enough to be fair, one must avoid the appearance of unfairness.
I will be a little more clear. I would rather see you leave than Alan. In fact, I am considering leaving the site because of you. I despise your shitty, infantile rants.
Moderator bias. Who woulda thunk it.
Suit yourself, petrushka.