How Did The Designer/God do it?

I’m pretty sure that many creationists/ID proponents and skeptics about materialism have heard that question many times often when materialists get  cornered about their beliefs about the origins of life…The usual question posed by materialists is: How Did The Designer/God do it? We can’t recreate life, so tell us how was it created!

Does anyone have a theory about how ID/God/ET did it?

I have my own,  but I’m just curious how much smarter people than me would answer  the skeptics who often add to their skepticism: Did ID/God/ET just “poofed”  life magically into existence?

 

61 thoughts on “How Did The Designer/God do it?”

  1. Neil Rickert

    J-Mac: My other post is being held up… Anybody can tell why???

    Now published.

    Please post a request in the moderation thread, when you want a post to be published. Otherwise it might not be noticed.

    And a note to others — please reply to J-Mac in the new thread, and not in this thread.

  2. Neil Rickert

    J-Mac: I have many other ideas hane been held up.?

    As far as I know, there is only one post that has been held up. And it wasn’t yours. The author was told why it would not be published.

    I am paid zero for moderating. I do my best. I think I at least earn what I am paid. If you don’t post a request in the moderation thread, how are the moderators supposed to know that you want something published?

    Since this blog is beings censored …

    It isn’t being censored.

  3. keithskeiths

    keiths:

    What I haven’t seen is any evidence for your belief:

    I do not believe that it is possible to create a life-compatible environment without creating a physics and chemistry that are extremely fine tuned.

    Whence that belief?

    brucefast:

    Two reasons: first, we live in an extremely fine-tuned universe. If God had no need to make it so, why did he?

    You’re getting ahead of yourself. Why assume that God made the universe at all?

    I propose that it is so of necessity.

    So not only are you assuming that God exists and that he made the universe; you’re also assuming that he would have avoided this sort of universe if he could have.

    Secondly, as you look at the scientific analysis of what the universe would be like if the forces of nature were twiddled a bit, you see the rapid ridiculousness of life existing without these precise parameters.

    Why assume that other possible universes would have to be similar to ours?

    I could conceive that God could have spun a totally alternative scenario, maybe one with 5 natural dimensions. (I know the quantum guys perceive more dimensions, but within the larger than quantum paradigm, the three spatial dimensions rule the roost.) However, the new scenario is likely to

    Ditto.

  4. PatrickPatrick

    J-Mac:
    Sincethis blog is beings censored …

    This blog is not censored. The worst that happens to comments is that they are moved to Guano. You must have mistakenly thought you were posting at Uncommon Descent.

  5. brucefast

    keiths: Why assume that God made the universe at all?

    Um, let’s see what we’ve got. We’ve got a universe that is extremely fine-tuned, at least the physicists tell us so. So we’ve got two possibilities:
    1 – There is an infinite number of universes somehow, and we happen to be in the “just right” one.
    2 – The universe is “just right” because some strategist caused it to be, and caused it to be “just right”.

    You seem to think that with these two possibilities the random chance one makes the most sense. Or at least you seem that it makes sense. I guess I’m just a little less in love with lady luck than you are.

  6. keithskeiths

    brucefast,

    Um, let’s see what we’ve got. We’ve got a universe that is extremely fine-tuned, at least the physicists tell us so.

    No, we have a universe in which the range of certain parameters is limited if the universe is to produce life of the type we see. That’s a far cry from saying that the universe is fine-tuned.

    So we’ve got two possibilities:
    1 – There is an infinite number of universes somehow, and we happen to be in the “just right” one.
    2 – The universe is “just right” because some strategist caused it to be, and caused it to be “just right”.

    You seem to think that with these two possibilities the random chance one makes the most sense. Or at least you seem that it makes sense. I guess I’m just a little less in love with lady luck than you are.

    Those are some pretty bold statements. Show us the probability distributions, and explain how you derived them.

  7. keithskeiths

    Also, I notice that you didn’t address my other two points:

    So not only are you assuming that God exists and that he made the universe; you’re also assuming that he would have avoided this sort of universe if he could have.

    And:

    Why assume that other possible universes would have to be similar to ours?

  8. Allan Miller

    brucefast,

    There is a (3) – that the physicists are incorrect about the fine tuning thing. More than one physicist thinks so. That’s really a 3a – the parameters simply cannot be varied – and a 3b – the parameters can be varied, but the ‘can-produce-life zone’ is wider than supposed.

    Regardless, it’s not a strong argument for theism since both with and without a god, one would obviously have to be in an observer-friendly universe in order to be an observer. The hypothesis that only gods can create observer-friendly universes is not supported by the simple observation of an observer-friendly universe, nor by the supposition of some among them that the parameters could have been otherwise but aren’t.

  9. PatrickPatrick

    brucefast: Um, let’s see what we’ve got.We’ve got a universe that is extremely fine-tuned, at least the physicists tell us so.So we’ve got two possibilities:
    1 – There is an infinite number of universes somehow, and we happen to be in the “just right” one.
    2 – The universe is “just right” because some strategist caused it to be, and caused it to be “just right”.

    3) We evolved in this universe so of course we’re going to be well suited to it.

    “This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’ This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything’s going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise.”

    — Douglas Adams

  10. J-MacJ-Mac Post author

    I’m sorry to keep you waiting… I was hoping for more response from the ID community on the theme… but that’s ok. They are very busy people… trying to make things right…
    So, I have been writing on the theme how ID/God created life and the system would let me submit it to the higher authorities… so I’d figured I would post the drat here and see if I can get come real corrections on the theme:

    I’m sorry again. It is a draft:
    “Since natural processes can’t explain the origin of life; so far no scientist I know about has provided one piece of scientific evidence that persuaded him to believe that natural processes are responsible for the origins of life…

    If you have heard of anyone who has at least one such piece of scientific evidence, please let me know, so that I can investigate it and learn for myself…

    However, I doubt it’s going to happen but let’s hope for the best…

    While some try to avoid the inconvenient truth about the origins of life; saying that it (the lack of any scientific evidence that natural processes did it) has nothing to do with evolution that there is supposed scientific evidence for…Unfortunately, those people often turn a blind eye to the many problems that the supposed evolution has up to the point where some fully formed organisms are flourishing on earth…

    Endosymbiosis is one of them… It has recently been concluded by materialistic evolutionists themselves (not ID proponents) that for this process to take place, some genes “…would have to have come from nowhere…” In other words, there is no evolutionary explanation for where those genes came from… Just because evolutionists chose to believe that there will be an explanation for it in a thousand of years or more… just does’t cut it… I could very well say; “I can’t fly right now, but is materialists start chasing me around the block and I gain genes out of nowhere, I might be able to live thousands of years and then evolve to fly…”

    I’m not even going to mention the supposed mechanism of endosymbiosis because even if someone had designed it, he would be totally lost in the explanation of the materialistic evolutionists…

    The summary:

    There is no way the the origins of life on earth happened by “the bottom up system”; spontaneous origins of life and then the gradual biochemical and then Darwinian evolution… no way…there is no evidence for it whatsoever…If there is, I’m would be glad to hear it…

    So, the only logical explanation to me is that the origins of life on earth happened by the top to bottom system; life appeared on the earth fully developed and functional;

    The Designer/God must have poofed it into existence somehow… Since most scientists would reject magic, would they accept any of the existing and well functioning laws of physics to explain the “poofed into assistance effect?

    It remains to be seen…”

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