Amongst the billions of species today is evolution going on? No! Why not !

if evolutionism is the mechanism for biological changing of bodyplans then it must be a option it could happen today, and relative to billions of species, it should be happening to a powerful percentage. new population by the millions should be newly created with need for new scientific names. Yet i say there are none or less than six.  WHY? I say because evolutionism is not accurate as a mechanism . it never existed. other mechanisms exist. the great evidence against evolutionism is the very unlikely situation of it not having occurred in the last twenty years in great, or any, numbers. Very unlikely but i offer the issue.

578 thoughts on “Amongst the billions of species today is evolution going on? No! Why not !

  1. Nonlin.org: Fossils are MISINTERPRETED neutral images of the past.

    Misinterpreted? In all caps, too! Sounds serious. Where are paleontologists erring?

  2. Alan Fox: Misinterpreted? In all caps, too! Sounds serious. Where are paleontologists erring?

    Silly question. Look, evolution doesn’t happen. Because the fossil record is entirely consistent with evolution (and with nothing else), it MUST be getting misinterpreted. The alternative, accepted by paleontologists and ratified with every new fossil discovered, is simply unthinkable. Therefore wrong.

    (And genetics are irrelevant because they too ratify evolution. And breeding organisms doesn’t count because it illustrates evolution as well. And nested hierarchies are too difficult to grasp, so they don’t count either. Lab experiments are numbingly consistent with evolutionary theory, so they are rejected.

    As Dawkins wrote of creationists,

    no evidence, no matter how overwhelming, no matter how all-embracing, no matter how devastatingly convincing, can ever make any difference.

    .

    Interesting that once all possible evidence is rejected, we get a demand to present evidence. Interesting that we keep doing so!)

  3. Corneel: Isn’t it interesting that you insist that people show you trait variation within a population, but then dismiss every single example that is presented?

    No, its not interesting, because I didn’t ask you to show genetic variation in a population! What I asked was to show emergence of a new body part! Drinking milk isn’t a new body part!!

    Fuck, and this was the week I was going to give up cursing!

  4. So now we know that DNA_Jock opposes art, which is simply another manifestation of speech.

  5. Nonlin.org: This:
    “Mung: We do see evolution happening in real time.”

    You don’t even know how to create a proper link to the post you are quoting.

    You have nothing. Your claim was that there is no observable change.You don’t even know what you mean by that. If you represent “Intelligent Design” then the sooner it dies the better.

  6. phoodoo: No, its not interesting, because I didn’t ask you to show genetic variation in a population! What I asked was to show emergence of a new body part! Drinking milk isn’t a new body part!!

    What novel body part distinguishes humans from chimpansees?

  7. Corneel: What novel body part distinguishes humans from chimpansees?

    I know this one! Is it the soul? phoodoo, that’s it right?

  8. Corneel: What novel body part distinguishes humans from chimpansees?

    The brain size for example…while not novel really…But according to ONE of the many Darwin’s? theories all you have to do is feed the monkey more calories and the brain will grow like a balloon…
    The rest will follow: chimps will lose dumbness, gain speech abilities, and most of all, begin wondering about its origins…

    The story like that has gotta be true but…neurologists and radiologist see totally the opposite… 🤗

    Therefore, it must be another evolutionary miracle… The omnipotent natural selection must’ve performed another evolutionary miracle…😅

  9. J-Mac: The brain size for example

    The brain is a body part, brain size is not.

    Thanks for playing though.

  10. Corneel: The brain is a body part, brain size is not.

    Thanks for playing though.

    Right, so why did you ask such a silly question? I see no evidence that you understand the issue.

  11. J-Mac: But according to ONE of the many Darwin’s? theories all you have to do is feed the monkey more calories and the brain will grow like a balloon…

    But according to J-Mac 90% of the brain is unneeded.

  12. phoodoo: Right, so why did you ask such a silly question? I see no evidence that you understand the issue.

    Glad you ask.

    First, to emphasize that your demand for evidence of novel body parts is a very restrictive view of evolution. None have evolved since chimps and we parted ways, yet I am sure you would concede some important differences exist.

    Secondly, given that no new body parts have evolved since our lineages separated six million years ago, wouldn’t you agree it isn’t really fair of you to ask for dozens of them segregating in modern human populations?

    Something to ponder.

  13. Corneel: The brain is a body part, brain size is not.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So? Even better! It should be a piece of cake to put ichimps under selective pressure or someting feed with high calories, the nonsese… It should work, no?
    The excuses are well know…

    One scientists spent 40 plus years with monkeys feeding them and teaching them the language… the rest is known… monkeys are as dumb as those who believe they could evolve into anything other than dumb monkeys…

    BTW: Have you even bothered to look at the bone structures of chimps vs humans?
    Pity…😏

  14. Corneel: Secondly, given that no new body parts have evolved since our lineages separated six million years ago, wouldn’t you agree it isn’t really fair of you to ask for dozens of them segregating in modern human populations?

    Right. Something to ponder.

    Evolution seems to have stopped.

  15. OMagain: But according to J-Mac 90% of the brain is unneeded.

    Stop twisting my words!
    The brain can compensate…
    You’d have to have a brain first to comprehend it and this is why you keep embarrassing yourself… 😉
    Try a high calorie diet with bananas! It apparently worked for you ancestors… 😂

  16. phoodoo: Evolution seems to have stopped.

    You believe humans and chimps have no meaningful differences?

    Interesting turn of events.

  17. J-Mac: BTW: Have you even bothered to look at the bone structures of chimps vs humans?
    Pity…😏

    No, I said to myself: “I bet J-Mac will tell us all about it.”

    Go ahead, good man. Everybody is listening.

  18. J-Mac: phoodoo: Evolution seems to have stopped.

    J-Mac: It’s devolving… look at some brain functions … 😉

    Must … resist ….

  19. J-Mac: Stop twisting my words!
    The brain can compensate…

    What, these words?

    J-Mac: 3. How does consciousness work when 90% of the brain is removed or is missing?

    That you wrote? Those words?

  20. Corneel: No, I said to myself: “I bet J-Mac will tell us all about it.”

    Go ahead, good man. Everybody is listening.

    Why should I?
    Everybody is familiar with your confirmation bias…🤗 ie. ‘Hmmm… it must’ve evolved somehow…convergence this, convergence that…’

  21. Or perhaps it was these words:

    J-Mac: Unless someone explains, and experimentally proves, by what mechanism the brain is able to compensate consciousness when large parts of it are surgically removed (up 90% apparently), the speculations that consciousness could have evolved remain in the realm of science fiction, rather than evolutionary science…

    Was it those words?

  22. Corneel: You believe humans and chimps have no meaningful differences?

    Interesting turn of events.

    Well, first, you are asking me to assume that humans did actually evolve from chimps. I don’t know this, no one does.

    But more importantly, you are saying that no new body part has evolved for how many millions of years? 10 million? 100 million? And that is not a problem?

    So how long before the next new part?

  23. J-Mac: Why should I?
    Everybody is familiar with your confirmation bias… ie. ‘Hmmm… it must’ve evolved somehow…convergence this, convergence that…’

    That’s what you tell yourself as to why people are not convinced by your arguments. It could not possibly be that your arguments are poor, no, it’s confirmation bias, yep, that’s what it is.

  24. phoodoo: I don’t know this, no one does.

    Heh. We must have been created in our current forms then, right? Is that what you believe?

  25. OMagain: What, these words?

    That you wrote? Those words?

    In you case the evolution progressed way too fast and more than 90% of your neurons are squashed…You can comprehend what happens to neurons when they are squashed, right. Or no?
    Well, in your case you don’t have remove even 99.9% of the brain… It will function the same with or without …😂

  26. phoodoo: Well, first, you are asking me to assume that humans did actually evolve from chimps. I don’t know this, no one does.

    So much for plenty of IDists accepting common descent.

    phoodoo: But more importantly, you are saying that no new body part has evolved for how many millions of years? 10 million? 100 million? And that is not a problem?

    Six million. No, that is not a problem. We don’t have a quota.

  27. Corneel: LOL.

    Never play a game of poker, J-Mac. You are too predictable.

    You looked it up, didn’t you? That’s why the dodging…
    Why? Why would continue to lie to yourself? Just because you want to wear a pink dress? Or, you don’t want to be told what to do?

  28. Corneel: So much for plenty of IDists accepting common descent.

    So it must be true?
    What about plenty more who don’t?
    Dodging is your speciality…🤗

  29. Corneel: What novel body part distinguishes humans from chimpansees?

    You’ve never heard of the chin evolutionary miracle?
    All you have to do is…belive… Well…you know the rest of the science fiction story…😂

  30. phoodoo: But more importantly, you are saying that no new body part has evolved for how many millions of years?

    What happened to NEW body plan? Is there a difference between plan and part? We know that phoodoo went from a single cell to a multicellular organism in a period of approximately nine months then grew further into a physically mature adult (bites tongue) over some longer time under the control of genes that orchestrate the folding and differentiation of sheets of cells
    But phoodoo is basically a much-modified segmented worm. There are no huge chasms needing to be leaped to get from worm to phoodoo.

  31. J-Mac: the chin

    Oh good, I’ll take that. So we do have a novel body part. I strongly doubt it will pass phoodoo’s high bar, though.

  32. Corneel,
    And nitpick at phoodoo, we humans did not evolve from chimps or bonobos. They are our cousins not our ancestors. We share a common ancestor with them and phylogenetic analysis indicates our lineages (between humans and chimps/bonobos) separated around six million years ago.

  33. Corneel: Oh good, I’ll take that. So we do have a novel body part. I strongly doubt it will pass phoodoo’s high bar, though.

    Who cares? You didn’t pass… which can mean only one thing…
    Pity is not enough…There is no emoji for it…

  34. Alan Fox:
    Corneel,
    And nitpick at phoodoo, we humans did not evolve from chimps or bonobos. They are our cousins not our ancestors. We share a common ancestor with them and phylogenetic analysis indicates our lineages (between humans and chimps/bonobos) separated around six million years ago.

    Oh, yes! The imaginary ancestor with no evidence for imaginary transitions…
    What’s the current story why none of them survived? COVID 1 targeting only them?
    Last time I heard it was mass murder with mass burning of fossil …🤣

  35. What are the possible explanations for the appearance of the chin in humans?
    Our imaginary ancestor had some kind of a chin, but monkeys lost it without any evidence of it ever existing….

    Or, our imaginary ancestor never had a chin, but it miraculously appeared
    via Chin-brian Explosion…🤣

  36. J-Mac: What’s the current story why none of them survived?

    Over 99% of all species that existed are now extinct, apparently, with a median period of existence around 1 to 10 million years. So it’s not unexpected that ancestral species go extinct.

  37. Alan Fox: Over 99% of all species that existed are now extinct, apparently,

    So much for the evolutionary predictions of the 10 billion species on earth currently evolving right in front our eyes…apparently…. Joe Felsenstein so proudly proclaimed…🤗

    Just because you don’t need the pink dress, it doesn’t mean you have belive in the obvious contradictions… 😉

  38. Alan Fox: So it’s not unexpected that ancestral species go extinct.

    Isn’t it another evolutionary miracle?
    All the transitional species go extinct and they make sure there is no fossils of them ever existing with the transition leading to the chin…

    Chin-brian Explosion indeed…🤣

  39. I don’t actually believe IQ is a useful measure, typically, but I’m guessing in the teens with this one.

  40. J-Mac: So much for the evolutionary predictions of the 10 billion species on earth currently evolving right in front our eyes…apparently…. Joe Felsenstein so proudly proclaimed…

    Might be worth checking what Joe Felsenstein wrote. Do you have a link?

  41. Alan Fox: Might be worth checking what Joe Felsenstein wrote. Do you have a link?


    To win damages against someone who has libeled you, you must prove the written statement was:

    false
    harmed your reputation or your business’s reputation
    published to at least one other person
    about you or your business specifically, and
    made with some degree of fault and intention.

    Seems to me that rises to that level.

  42. OMagain: I don’t actually believe IQ is a useful measure, typically, but I’m guessing in the teens with this one.

    If not IQ then certainly age / maturity level.

  43. OMagain,
    Number of extant species seems to be an informed guess or prediction rather than a verifiable fact. But it would be good to check what he actually said rather than rely on J-Mac’s recall.

  44. Corneel: Didn’t you say that genetic change is NOT evolution? So why can genetic changes all of a sudden not accumulate outside of a laboratory setting?

    I didn’t say “they can’t”. I said “they don’t” as far as we see. There’s variability (with regression to the mean as explained) and there’s adaptation to the environment. That’s all. No “evolution” needed.

  45. J-Mac:
    All you have to do is…belive… Well…you know the rest of the science fiction story…😂

    Says the one who believes … well … you know, that some magical being in the sky “designed” him. J-Mac loves the pain of shooting himself in the foot. Maybe he’s a masochist. Wait, a person designed to be a masochist by an all-powerful, benevolent, magical being in the sky.

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