Why do Christians get banned at UD?

It looks like I just got banned at UD, which to me it means I have been noticed by “true Christians”, like Barry Arrington, who has proven, time and time again, that he deserves what he stands for…

I know that Sal got banned there too and he is a Christian..

What should we do? Should  we abandon uncommondescent.com all together?

Many have…  Who is left other then the few and the same style of comments appearing regularly?

 

120 Replies to “Why do Christians get banned at UD?”

  1. J-Mac
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    I have to say that I expected the ban because of how UD operates, which means how Barry Arrigton operates… I couldn’t careless what he stands for, but I think many, many Christians should notice…Sal got banned for speaking his mind and now me and I’m not even close to Sal’s league…
    I think TSZ should change to have people like Behe to feel free to publish here with really good screening so that keiths and aringtons do not get to comment here unless they can keep their personal issues out of the discussion…

    How about TheNeutralZone?

  2. Neil Rickert
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    UD isn’t really a Christian site. It’s more of a conservative ideology site.

    There are some fine Christians who would disagree with a lot of what Barry Arrington says.

  3. Acartia Acartia
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    Neil Rickert: There are some fine Christians who would disagree with a lot of what Barry Arrington says.

    Actually, most Christians would disagree with what Barry says. Or, at least, with how he says it.

  4. Acartia Acartia
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    Who is left…

    I still post there on occasion but I must admit that I do so as a guilty pleasure. Poking KF, BA77, WJM and Barry can be fun. With each sock I try to disagree with them in different ways. Sometimes as a weak theist, sometimes as a pompous ultr right wing Christian, sometimes as an atheist. The conclusion that I have drawn is that banning has nothing to do with your world view. It has everything to do with whether or not you disagree with the three wise men and their jester.

    I also think that Barry keeps around a small stable of atheists just to beef up the comment threads. This bunch appear to be immune. But any new commenter is kept on a very short leash.

    The last three times I was banned was because Batshitcrazy77 went running to Barry to complain that I had the audacity to question him. It was highly amusing.

  5. stcordova
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    Why do Christians get banned at UD?

    I got banned for pointing out some of Arrington’s stupid ideas and policies and probably for criticizing the Catholic Church. Have you noticed UD is heavily Catholic, not Evangelical or whatever…

    My banning was the reward I got for volunteering and serving his blog for 10 years. How’s that for gratitude? His flimsy excuse? I wrote an article about the YEC Mark Armitage who eventually won a six-figure legal settlement for religious persecution from his university. Denyse O’Leary reported the same event 4 days after I was tossed and she didn’t suffer any retributions. So I know it was sham excuse by Arrington. He justified his tossing of me because I was a YEC and loved talking about YEC. At least that was his official reason. But I think the guy just didn’t like me since I liked some of the atheists at TSZ like Elizabeth Liddle. YECs should boycott his blog….

    Thanks for mentioning me and the kind words.

    Anyway, there is more to exploring ID and other topics than blogs.

    What should we do? Should we abandon uncommondescent.com all together?

    Well, I started my own websites and never got banned, but no one visits. That’s ok by me as I’m working on some publications and videos that few people will read or watch. That’s ok as writing is an extension of my thought process.

    Anyway here’s my latest on QM and God. Most people think it’s a yawner:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Creation/comments/82osbh/laws_of_physics_especially_qm_suggests_the/

    And my latest video. It’s definitely a yawner:
    https://nylonase.org/videos/

  6. OMagain
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    Ah, but the thing is that no true Christian has even been banned at UD.

  7. J-Mac
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    stcordova,

    Hey Sal!!!
    I’m glad you are well…:)

    UD has become a religious site as Acatia and others have pointed out…
    Their main goal has become the bashing of atheists, which I find more and more repulsive…

    As you know, I have been researching different views and ideologies and found that many atheists and agnostics reject mainstream Christianity because of their history and attitudes like that of Barry, BA77,KF and so on, but are often open to reasonable arguments…

    I have a good colleague at work who has always claimed to be an atheists…or that’s what I thought. One day we went out to lunch and I mentioned to him that I was researching QM, Q consciousness and Q soul. His demeanour totally changed. I thought I said something to offend him but he said that him and his wife had been discussing different ideologies including Biocentrism and agreed that no religious person would even consider the alternative to a soul, such as quantum consciousness etc… Ever since then his attitude toward me in regards to my “Christian” views (whatever that means) has changed and he even admitted that he believes in God or a god, just not the one that most religions portray him as….looking like a human with white beard and hair etc…

    I really enjoy you exploring the QM/God field Sal…

    I think this is going to be the new, exciting filed of science that is going to reveal more and more complexity of the nature of reality and God/ID…
    Unfortunately, for now 96% of the universe remains unknown with dark energy and dark matter existing but eluding the scientists from detecting…

  8. J-Mac
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    Sal,
    The limited interest with QM is probably due to fact that not a lot people like this filed due to many uncertainties, not much progress has been made lately, and the unification of QM and general theory of relativity has proven nearly impossible…
    I find that people who like QM have a good sense of imagination; they tend to think in pictures…Do you know what I mean?

    BTW: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a19180439/scientists-propose-experiment-to-test-quantum-gravity/

  9. J-Mac
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    OMagain:
    Ah, but the thing is that no true Christian has even been banned at UD.

    True Christian? I wonder what that means…

  10. Acartia Acartia
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    J-Mac, I find the increasing attention that QM is receiving in the ID community to be nothing more than an extension of the God-of-the-gaps argument. QM is so poorly understood by the majority of the population that IDists like you, Sal and Batshitcrazy77 see it as a last refuge for inserting God into the equation.

  11. Nonlin.org
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    J-Mac: I have to say that I expected the ban because of how UD operates,

    What comments got you banned? Can you link? Are you ‘J-Mac’ there too?

  12. Neil Rickert
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    J-Mac: True Christian? I wonder what that means…

    I’m pretty sure it was a reference to the “no true Scotsman” fallacy (or the Christian version of that).

  13. Acartia Acartia
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    Nonlin.org: What comments got you banned? Can you link? Are you ‘J-Mac’ there too?

    Probably this one. It was the one that had the voice from the ceiling appended to it.

    Since you are very …. person Barry I’m forced to ask you what is your definition of holocaust? Are you referring to WWII or the Canaanite extermination as well?

    BTW: I don’t care much about your Christian like predictions and your typical Christian like attitude…

    You can keep it to yourself. A/mats, Closet A/mats and rest of the reasonable people would have no problem to identify your comments as well as BA77,TWSYF even if your were to change your identity…
    Your type of “Christianity” is easily distinguishable by one trait…

    Do you know what it is?“

  14. J-Mac
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    Acartia: Probably this one. It was the one that had the voice from the ceiling appended to it.

    Since you are very …. person Barry I’m forced to ask you what is your definition of holocaust? Are you referring to WWII or the Canaanite extermination as well?


    BTW: I don’t care much about your Christian like predictions and your typical Christian like attitude…

    You can keep it to yourself. A/mats, Closet A/mats and rest of the reasonable people would have no problem to identify your comments as well as BA77,TWSYF even if your were to change your identity…
    Your type of “Christianity” is easily distinguishable by one trait…

    Do you know what it is?“

    I could have been this one but more so the one he removed or never allowed to be posted…
    I quoted TWSYF comment regarding the extermination of the Canaanites and asked Barry what the difference would be between the justification of the ethnic cleansing 3000 years ago and the one the Nazis used to exterminate the Jews…

    10 Truth Will Set You Free March 8, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    Maybe mass slaughter of women, children, and infants is sometimes morally good, even necessary, in this fallen world. No?

    Also, on another note, a/mats keep telling me not to blame violent video games, movies, and music for real-life violence. They claim that said “entertainment” has no effect on human actions in real life. Does anybody know of modern research that might dispute that?

    Since Barry, TWSYF and BA77 seem to be on the same page almost exclusively, I’d thought it would be the right way to show their Christian hypocrisy…

    It is obvious to me that Barry couldn’t allow this to be exposed, so he chose to do what he does best: sweep his Christian hypocrisy under the rug and pretend that everything is ok…

    I gotta tell you one thing: the ban is one of the best things that happen to me at UD. I no longer had desire to be identified on “the side” of the issue as BA, BA77, TWSYF, KF, Dionisio and the other christian hypocrites…

  15. William J. Murray
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    It amazes me that people are surprised when the bear they are poking mauls them. But then, you weren’t really surprised, were you? You poke a bear expecting that it would probably get you mauled, and then complain that it actually mauled you? And then ask, what are “we” going to do?

    Why does he ban Christians? Same reason he bans anyone else. What does being a Christian have to do with it?

  16. J-Mac
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    Acartia:
    J-Mac, I find the increasing attention that QM is receiving in the ID community to be nothing more than an extension of the God-of-the-gaps argument. QM is so poorly understood by the majority of the population that IDists like you, Sal and Batshitcrazy77 see it as a last refuge for inserting God into the equation.

    Maybe…but I find it fascinating as does Sal it seems…
    How about retrocasualty; quantum mechanics effect before cause?

    I believe that both scientists and lay people, whether religious, agnostics or atheists should continue to purse truth, wherever it may lead and not sit back or continue to support preconceived ideas…
    That’s definitely what science is or should be about…Same should apply to religion and religious people…

  17. J-Mac
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    William J. Murray:
    It amazes me that people are surprised when the bear they are poking mauls them.But then, you weren’t really surprised, were you?You poke a bear expecting that it would probably get you mauled, and then complain that it actually mauled you?And then ask, what are “we” going to do?

    Why does he ban Christians? Same reason he bans anyone else.What does being a Christian have to do with it?

    So…you agree?
    I’m not surprised…

    Look at my comment at 6:09

  18. Kantian Naturalist Kantian Naturalist
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    Getting banned from Uncommon Descent is a badge of honor. Wear it with pride. It shows that you’re not toeing the party line. Nothing to do with whether you’re a Christian or not.

  19. J-Mac
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    This the comment he didn’t allow me to respond to:

    J-Mac March 9, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    OK, J-Mac. Put it to us plainly. Do you state unequivocally that at all times, in all places, and under all circumstances the Holocaust would be evil?

    Prediction: J-Mac will bob and weave.

    Since you are very …. person Barry I’m forced to ask you what is your definition of holocaust? Are you referring to WWII or the Canaanite extermination as well?

    BTW: I don’t care much about your Christian like predictions and your typical Christian like attitude…

    You can keep it to yourself. A/mats, Closet A/mats and rest of the reasonable people would have no problem to identify your comments as well as BA77,TWSYF even if your were to change your identity…
    Your type of “Christianity” is easily distinguishable by one trait…

    Do you know what it is?

    UD Editors: “Prediction: J-Mac will bob and weave.” Prediction confirmed. For people who pride themselves on their willingness to examine all beliefs and gaze into the abyss unflinchingly, the A-Mats who post on this site are a generally gutless lot.

  20. Acartia Acartia
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    William J. Murray:
    It amazes me that people are surprised when the bear they are poking mauls them.

    Who’s poking a bear. That gives Barry, Mullings, Cunningham and Joe way too much credit. I poke pompous, arrogant, sermonizing jerks.

  21. dazz dazz
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    They’re more like intellectual teddy bears

  22. Kantian Naturalist Kantian Naturalist
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    J-Mac: UD Editors: “Prediction: J-Mac will bob and weave.” Prediction confirmed. For people who pride themselves on their willingness to examine all beliefs and gaze into the abyss unflinchingly, the A-Mats who post on this site are a generally gutless lot.

    I just think it’s amusing (and more than a little sad) that J-Mac gets classified as an “A-Mat” just because he doesn’t share their specific version of Christianity.

  23. Nonlin.org
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    Kantian Naturalist: I just think it’s amusing (and more than a little sad) that J-Mac gets classified as an “A-Mat” just because he doesn’t share their specific version of Christianity.

    It seems this was not about “specific version of Christianity”, but about holocaust and perhaps about the “…” (was that an insult?)

    Is QM ‘Quantum mind’? That doesn’t seem to have factored in.

  24. Kantian Naturalist Kantian Naturalist
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    Nonlin.org: It seems this was not about “specific version of Christianity”, but about holocaust and perhaps about the “…” (was that an insult?)

    You don’t find it amusing and sad that a Christian like J-Mac is accused of being an atheist and materialist because he raises the question as to why the ethnic cleansing of the Canannites by the Israelites isn’t objectively evil when the ethnic cleansing of Jews and Roma by the Nazis is?

    It seems like a reasonably good question to me.

    I even think there’s a reasonably good answer that could be given within the framework of Christian theology — that is, I expect there could be one, though I myself don’t know what it is.

    But the UD crowd would rather mock and then ban rather than encourage someone’s intellectual curiosity. That says a good deal about their character, none of it good.

  25. stcordova
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    J-mac:

    Since you are very …. person Barry I’m forced to ask you what is your definition of holocaust? Are you referring to WWII or the Canaanite extermination as well?

    You got him.

    Ok, I indirectly pointed out the Arrington’s silliness at UD before I got banned:

    https://uncommondescent.com/darwinism/creationist-support-of-eugenics-and-genocide-in-the-past/

    and

    https://uncommondescent.com/darwinism/creationist-support-of-eugenics-and-genocide-in-the-past/

    I was trying to tell Christian and Jewish IDists not to be playing the genocide card because it will get thrown right back in their face.

    Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

    1 Samuel 15:1-3

    Oh well Arrington, so much for your knowledge of the Christian Bible.

    Do I have answers for this? Not very good ones…

  26. J-Mac
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    Kantian Naturalist: I just think it’s amusing (and more than a little sad) that J-Mac gets classified as an “A-Mat” just because he doesn’t share their specific version of Christianity.

    What’s even more amusing it the fact that the majority of Christians at UD don’t even share their Christian views…What do Catholics, BAs, JWs, 7DAs, Mormons, Protestants, Baptist and so on have in common other then there is God? Some think Jesus is God some think he is part of trinity….Some think there is a immortal soul some don’t…

    To me, the only thing I found they have in common is to bash atheists and agnostics…

    I realize that this is a general statements and that there are many real Christians from among those groups that are really, really good people or at least they try to be…I work with one Catholic lady and she should be presented to many as an example of a good Christian…

    So, it seems, it all boils down to what a true Christian is…or should be…

  27. J-Mac
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    Nonlin.org: It seems this was not about “specific version of Christianity”, but about holocaust and perhaps about the “…” (was that an insult?)

    Is QM ‘Quantum mind’? That doesn’t seem to have factored in.

    QM = Quantum Mechanics when I write it…
    I don’t usually use the word quantum mind but rather quantum consciousness, though I realize that they may not be the same thing. But for now, I believe they are or close…

  28. J-Mac
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    stcordova: Do I have answers for this? Not very good ones…

    Thanks Sal! 🙂

    Answers for what?

  29. J-Mac
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    stcordova: Oh well Arrington, so much for your knowledge of the Christian Bible.

    I personally think that ID should distance themselves from UD..
    Barry Arrogant and the Gang give them bad name…They don’t need that…
    What are your thoughts?

  30. J-Mac
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    Kantian Naturalist: I just think it’s amusing (and more than a little sad) that J-Mac gets classified as an “A-Mat” just because he doesn’t share their specific version of Christianity.

    I forgot to thank you… Thanks again! 🙂

    I think that humanity would be much better off if WE ALL learned to accept others’ views…We don’t have to agree with their views, but we can learn to respect the fact that some people will not agree with us because of whatever and that is it…
    Some may not simply have the kind of faith we do…

    Due to my work, I have learned that quite a few men have genetic deficiencies and were raised as girls up until puberty…Those men can’t find themselves and are often in the gay group not because they love it, but because they don’t know better…

    Some have homosexual tendencies or inclinations even though they hate them…So, who appointed my the judge of those people? If there is God, He knows what they are going through…So, who am I to say they are not human or not worth redemption?

  31. Erik
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    UD is not a particularly Christian site. More of an ID cult forum and Arrington’s vanity platform.

  32. stcordova
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    J-mac:

    Answers for what?

    The genocide against Caananites by the Israelites and how could this be moral.

    Now, the best answer I have to date (not necessarily the right one) is this:

    If God knows in advance that serial killer and rapist Ted Bundy would do what he did, one might suppose God would be justified in ordering his execution even when Bundy was a child. In QM the present is driven by the future.

    Attempted murder is a crime, but I suppose an All-Knowing God could see someone’s future before it happens. God ordered the genocide of the canannites because:

    if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then those of them whom you let remain shall be as barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they shall trouble you in the land where you dwell.

    Numbers 33:55

    We do not have such foresight, and thus have no right to do something like this on our own initiative, but God knows the future or potential future. God could have ordered the death of Osama bin Laden before bin Laden did what he did. It would have been a just judgement if God ordered it because God knows all things and the hearts of men today and in the future.

    So if God knew each and everyone of the Caananites would be evil, then He could order genocide. We can be grateful he doesn’t give us what we deserve and gives us a second chance in the present day. He knows how evil we COULD be if allowed to be. He has stopped us from being as bad as we could be and had mercy on us, lest we become like the Caananites.

    That said, as I’ve progressed in the ID and Creation movement, there are many days I sometimes wish it weren’t true. The God predicted by QM is the Intelligent Designer, the Ultimate Observer who has created all the germs on the planet and all the cruel beasts. In the Book of Job, God boasts of creating Leviathan, a cruel beast. He boasts of the plagues He inflicted on Egypt and the cruelties he inflicted on the Children of Israel.

    At some level I wish the atheists were right, but it just doesn’t seem to square with the facts. The world looks like it was intelligently designed but also simultaneously cursed — just like the Bible says.

    Ironically, the Darwinists at TSZ have done a good job persuading me that ID is true because of their inability to satisfactorily defend their views. I’ve seen ideas in physics (like QM) defended. That’s the way to defend a real theory (like QM), not like the way Darwinists defend theirs. Jesus predicts the present world will not have a happy ending:

    Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.

    Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

    “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

    Luke 21

    I thank God for every day that I’ve been spared from Judgement Day. All of this has been ordained. Jesus sees it because the God of QM knows the final state of the universe and how the universal wave function will be collapsed.

  33. Neil Rickert
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    J-Mac: To me, the only thing I found they have in common is to bash atheists and agnostics…

    Yes, that’s pretty much the core of the UD ideology.

  34. Kantian Naturalist Kantian Naturalist
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    J-Mac: To me, the only thing I found they have in common is to bash atheists and agnostics…

    Yep. Their contempt for atheist and agnostics is what unifies them. That’s Philip Johnson’s “Big Tent” strategy in action.

  35. John Harshman John Harshman
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    stcordova,

    It would be difficult to enumerate all the ways that post was creepy. My sympathies; I’m thinking your head looks creepy from the inside too, and that must be hard to deal with.

  36. Acartia Acartia
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    dazz:
    They’re more like intellectual ineffectual teddy bears

    There, I fixed it for you.

  37. dazz dazz
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    stcordova,

    Yet god didn’t order the genocide of nazi germany while allowing the extermination of jewish people. So according to your line of reasoning, the nazis freed the world from those “Ted Bundy” jews and we should thank god for that

  38. Acartia Acartia
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    John Harshman:
    stcordova,

    It would be difficult to enumerate all the ways that post was creepy. My sympathies; I’m thinking your head looks creepy from the inside too, and that must be hard to deal with.

    That had to be the lamest attempt to justify God ordering the Israelites to rape and kill women and children.

  39. GlenDavidson
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    stcordova: Ironically, the Darwinists at TSZ have done a good job persuading me that ID is true because of their inability to satisfactorily defend their views.

    Like you’d know.

    If you weren’t blocking those you couldn’t answer, you ignored the actual arguments to repeat your idiotic PRATTs.

    Glen Davidson

  40. J-Mac
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    stcordova: In QM the present is driven by the future.

    Well…it’s true on subatomic level…But not in our reality? As far as we know…at least…

  41. J-Mac
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    GlenDavidson: Like you’d know.

    If you weren’t blocking those you couldn’t answer, you ignored the actual arguments to repeat your idiotic PRATTs.

    Glen Davidson

    How old are Glen?

  42. J-Mac
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    John Harshman:
    stcordova,

    It would be difficult to enumerate all the ways that post was creepy. My sympathies; I’m thinking your head looks creepy from the inside too, and that must be hard to deal with.

    Tell us more if you think the flip side of the coin is more appealing…
    I’m sure it is…but tell us how or why or both…
    You are not Bear Arrogant, so we know you’re not going to shrink back from answering this question and as far as we know, you will not run to the administrators of this site…AGAIN… to have my publishing privileges removed…The reasons I know this are: My publishing rights have been takine away thanks to you…
    I’m not doing any experiments that may affect your life’s work…
    I’m not even talking about birdies…

    So, tell us everything about your side of the creepiness free life…
    I genuinely would like to know…

  43. J-Mac
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    Acartia: There, I fixed it for you.

    Thanks. With people like you someone like me never gets a break…Why should I?

  44. stcordova
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    Acartia: That had to be the lamest attempt to justify God ordering the Israelites to rape and kill women and children.

    God didn’t order rape, he commanded execution. They aren’t the same thing.

  45. stcordova
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    dazz:
    stcordova,

    So according to your line of reasoning, the nazis freed the world from those “Ted Bundy” jews and we should thank god for that

    Nope, that’s not what I said. You can figure out the correct inference if you are willing.

  46. J-Mac
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    stcordova: Nope, that’s not what I said.You can figure out the correct inference if you are willing.

    Why would he be willing?

  47. J-Mac
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    stcordova: Nope, that’s not what I said.You can figure out the correct inference if you are willing.

    Point taker….

  48. Acartia Acartia
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    stcordova: God didn’t order rape, he commanded execution.They aren’t the same thing.

    He also ordered the Israelites to take the women and children as plunder. Another one of the contradictions in the bible. But what do you think God meant when he told the Israelites to take the women as plunder? To protect them and treat them with respect?

  49. Acartia Acartia
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    An example of Barry’s open and honest debating style:

    “How is arguing with a materialist like housebreaking a puppy?

    Materialist arguments, like those CR and Bob have made in this very thread, are the rhetorical equivalent of piles of steaming dog poo. And they drop those piles all over the place. Dealing with it is very unpleasant. But if you are going to make any progress, it is necessary to rub their noses in it.”

    I wonder if he uses those tactics in court.

  50. phoodoo
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    J-Mac,

    I would answer you…but I am essentially banned here, so…

    I would quote how they do it…Oh, but I can’t.

    *Maybe I can answer you over at UD.

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