Dishonesty is the defining characteristics of Trump and his administration, and lies are a daily occurrence. While there are far too many lies to track, I thought a thread dedicated to the worst and most notable lies would be useful. There’s a lot of material to choose from.
(I could have tapped into a rich vein of lies simply by linking to Trump’s Truth Social account — hence the OP title.)
keiths,
The whole Nobel episode is one of the weirdest (so far) of a very weird Presidency. He stopped 8 wars (but no-one can say which they are). He wanted the Prize even though any opportunity to ‘stop’ any came after this year’s deadline. He thinks the Norwegian government controls the Nobel (in the same way the White House decides who gets an Oscar). But “you didn’t give me the Peace Prize so I’ve no obligation to be peaceful” is the icing on the cake. You didn’t make me Employee of the Month so I’m gonna shoot up the joint.
All his lying (yes, lying), vanity, narcissism, stupidity and sheer insanity in one scene. Yet MAGAs don’t seem to be nervously feeling their collars yet. That’s the Don. It’s how he operates. Masterful 4D chess. You just got TDS.
I think many in the Administration will he hoping he doesn’t die suddenly, before getting a chance to pardon them. They’ll Weekend-at-Bernie’s him!
Allan:
Or autopen him.
Americans Are Paying For Trump’s Tariffs, Study Finds
So Trump lied about tariffs. Naturally, it is not surprising that a pathological liar lied.
And it does not take a study to know who pays the tariffs. It is just a matter of knowing what tariffs are.
faded_Glory,
It’s about an independent voter seeing if the anti Trump crowd has substantive arguments . What is wrong with his policies in your opinion? Do you think Biden had better policies?
Allan Miller,
I not claiming politicians have support for all their claims. Trump believes there were problems with the 2020 election. We know there were way above normal mail in ballots due to covid. Fraud is easier with mail in ballots. I don’t think his claim has been proven yet so he is stating his opinion in the statement that he won Minnesota 3 times.
I simply expect voters to have a solid foundation for the choices they are making. Attacking a candidate on either side is not informative.
colewd,
Until proven, it fits your definition of propaganda – a repeated unsupported claim.
colewd:
Once again:
Step 1: look up “candidate” in the dictionary
Step 2: ask yourself whether Trump is running for office; consult Grok if necessary
Step 3: repeat out loud, 50 times: “Trump is not a candidate.”
Step 4: ask yourself “Is Trump a candidate?”
Step 5: if the answer you give is “yes”, repeat steps 1-5 until the answer becomes “no”.
This is downright weird, Bill. Why can’t you grasp that Trump isn’t a candidate? This has been going on for months.
Even if he were a candidate, why would that exempt him from criticism? The whole point of elections is for people to vote for the person they consider to be the better candidate. Honesty is one of the characteristics that differentiates candidates, so if Trump were running for office, his dishonesty would be one of the many reasons not to vote for him. Did you declare criticism of Harris to be off limits in 2024? It makes no sense.
You’re just making shit up as you go, hoping to find a reason to deligitimize criticism of your cult leader, never considering whether it actually makes sense.
Erik,
I wonder if Bill, who wrote this about tariffs…
…will finally figure it out.
It’s worth noting that higher prices for consumers are actually necessary in order for tariffs to achieve the goal of boosting domestic manufacturing. Higher prices are a feature, not a bug, in that respect.
Consider:
If the tariffs didn’t increase the price of grombits, then DS companies would be unable to compete and would have no incentive to manufacture them in the DS.
Note that consumers pay more even if the tariffs cause Valtravian manufacturers to stop exporting grombits to the DS entirely. In that case the DS consumers aren’t paying the tariffs, because if the DS isn’t importing Valtravian grombits, then there are no tariffs to pay. However, consumers still get screwed. Domestic manufacturers enter the market, but only because reduced supply jacks up grombit prices to a point where manufacturing them is profitable.
The bottom line is that one way or another, you have to jack up grombit prices in order to incentivize domestic grombit production, which means that consumers are paying more due to the tariffs. Tariffs are inflationary.
colewd,
In this comment I showed that Trump was lying when he said
Do you disagree? Do you think Trump genuinely believes that he doesn’t care, when it’s obvious that he does? Do you think he is so addled that he can’t even figure out what he does and doesn’t care about? That he has no access to his own thoughts?
Or do you concede the obvious and admit that he’s lying?
colewd:
He lost all three times, Bill. Not just in 2020.
So your position is that Trump is so stupid, so mentally incompetent, that despite having no evidence, he thinks that he won Minnesota three times when he didn’t win it even once?
Trump lost Minnesota by
1.5% in 2016,
7.1% in 2020, and
4.2% in 2024.
In population terms, he lost by
87,000 votes in 2016,
411,800 votes in 2020, and
243,600 votes in 2024.
You think that Trump is stupid enough to believe that there were at least that many fraudulent votes each time, despite having no evidence of it? If so, why do you support him? (Rhetorical question.)
It’s one or the other. Stupid or dishonest. Neither can be acknowledged by a cult member, so what will you do?
Since you like to talk about intent, isn’t the motive obvious? Trump is desperate to be seen as a winner, so he lies about winning when he has clearly lost. It’s the same reason he lies about having “defeated” inflation, ended eight wars, won 38 golf tournaments, etc. It’s why he lied to a child on Christmas Eve, claiming to have won Pennsylvania three times in a landslide when he only won it twice, neither time in a landslide. He is a weak and insecure man who inflates his achievements because he wants others — even children — to admire him for things he hasn’t done. It’s what narcissists do.
Trump knows how to win. He makes phone calls à la, “Come on, I need 11,000 votes.” Therefore he cannot be lying. Makes perfect sense.
I haven’t yet figured out why there is more fraud, or why fraud is easier, with mail-in ballots. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence of this despite the great lengths Trumpies have gone to find some. Nor is there statistical evidence of this (except servicemen serving overseas have tended to lean Republican and necessarily mail in their votes). Careful audits in places that vote for Democrats have found nothing, but I don’t know about places that vote Republican because why audit those?
Trump’s repeated claim that he never loses an election isn’t based on fact, it is a policy position intended to cement his unbeatability among his cult.
But as one analyst argued, Trump is not the problem, he’s the consequence of a problem. The problem is that 77 million Americans voted for him despite knowing he tried to overthrow the government (on live TV, no less) and is a convicted felon. Certainly the vast majority can’t be completely unaware that Trump is corrupt, dishonest, and possibly mentally challenged in multiple ways.
But this national consensus derives from 1) We survived Trump 1[ and 2) Kamala Harris. Maybe Democrats have learned that the American people would rather have a mad dictator than a female President. If there’s an actual (rather than sham) election in 2028, I wonder what sort of person the Democrats will choose.
Flint,
And we’re seeing, in Bill’s absurdly extreme position in defence of his integrity, and the flurry of commentators praising the Greenland outcome as ‘classic Trump deal-making’, why that might be. It is hard, as someone who finds the man thoroughly unpleasant, to see how he inspires such sycophantic devotion. It’s not normal.
After Trump screwed up during his Davos speech and confused Iceland with Greenland four times, NewsNation reporter Libbey Dean posted on X:
He didn’t “appear” to mix them up. He mixed them up, and it was four times, not three. All of which can clearly be seen in the video.
Karolyin’ Leavitt was unhappy and posted:
Yes, he did, Karoline. You’re lying.
Here’s how she tried to sleaze her way out of it:
Note the word “written”. Leavitt wants us to think that it doesn’t count that the Dipshit in Chief said “Iceland” four times since the White House put out a transcript with “Greenland” instead. I guess it’s no surprise that Trump hired a press secretary who is as dishonest as he is. So much lying at such a young age. She’s a prodigy.
And of course Greenland isn’t “a piece of ice” to anyone who isn’t as dumb and/or dishonest as Trump and Leavitt.
Allan Miller,
It does and I do not take this claim seriously until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This is different than a lie but it is an issue when dealing with all politicians. We are constantly being spun by those trying to obtain or retain power.
The claim of a lie is hard to prove the claim of spin or propaganda is not. The only problem with the claim is it is ubiquitous to all politicians. Trump is better at it than most and this is a reason for the passionate hate for him especially those who do not like his policies or personality.
colewd:
Allan:
colewd:
You think the question hasn’t been settled? That it’s actually possible that Trump won Minnesota three times, when it’s clear, far beyond a reasonable doubt, that he didn’t?
Lies aren’t hard to prove unless you demand 100.0% certainty about intent, but you just told us you would accept Trump’s claim if it were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, you should accept our claims if they meet the same standard.
Take another look at Trump’s claim about the Nobel:
Trump obviously cares about the Nobel Prize. He’s obsessed with it. The evidence stretches over months. It’s so important to him that he actually threatened to invade Greenland over the fact that he didn’t win it. He cares deeply about it, he knows that he cares deeply about it, and he says that he doesn’t care about it. How is that not a lie?
It far exceeds your “reasonable doubt” standard. Can you admit that Trump is lying?
keiths,
Hi Keiths
You’re working very hard to preserve a “lazy label”. Best to find another discussion which will not require defending a label. We have differences in policies we can discuss which should not rely on labels to make our arguments.
Lying is very hard to prove as you are showing by speculating on intent.
colewd:
I’ve explained this to you before:
I’d call that “better”, not worse. I am a little rattled that 1 in 10 of your compatriots appear to be OK with invading an allied nation. That is pure imperialism.
colewd:
Labels are essential to political discussion. You realize that ‘Republican’ and ‘Democrat’ are labels, right? Lazy labels aren’t necessary, but labels definitely are.
You’re actually claiming that when Trump says
…he isn’t deliberately stating something that he knows is false? How do you explain it, then?
Corneel:
Agreed. Worse for Trump, better for us. I’m unaware of any of Trump’s policies or proposals that are less popular than invading Greenland.
It’s creepy, but there are fringe groups in every population. Stephen Miller isn’t a one-off, unfortunately. Also, I’m sure that some of the 8% are people who aren’t even aware that Greenland is a Danish territory and that Denmark is an ally. They’re “USA! USA!” types who probably figure that if Trump wants to invade Greenland, there must be a good reason for it.
When I read poll results, I like to look at the numbers that make little sense. A recent example is the 3% of Democrats who approve of the job Trump is doing. A famous example is the 5% of Obama voters who thought he was the Antichrist. It’s possible that some people were willingly voting for the Antichrist, but more likely that most of them were confused or were trolling the pollsters by giving perverse answers. Some of it might have been “you interrupted my dinner, so I’m going to screw up your poll.”
All of the above makes me less concerned about the 8% number, but the fact that there are Stephen Millers in the population at all, some in positions of power, is disconcerting.
keiths,
It’s a reactive answer that many people make. I don’t really care means simply relative to everything else going on the prize Is not a priority. The priority is to stop people from being killed.
colewd:
Good grief, Bill.
“I don’t care” means “it isn’t important to me”, but the Nobel Peace Prize is hugely important to Trump. He lobbied for it for months and has repeatedly bitched about not getting it. He’s absolutely, embarrassingly obsessed with it. He’s so obsessed that he actually accepted it from María Corina Machado when she offered it to him (despite the fact that Nobel Prizes aren’t transferable — all she could actually give him was the medal).
Consider:
And:
And, by the way, he also lied about her popularity. I commented earlier:
And then, just a few days ago, Trump texted this to the Norwegian prime minister:
“You didn’t give the Nobel Prize to me, and I’m so angry about it that I’m thinking about invading Greenland” doesn’t exactly fit with “I don’t care about the Nobel Prize”, does it?
Get a grip, Bill. He’s lying when he says he doesn’t care.
Based on this, it should be obvious that colewd is a lying bastard. With full intent too, by his own definition. He’s a malicious propaganda bot.
This is one of those definition things you’re so fond of. For Bill, Trump is defined as honest, so anyone who think he lies just doesn’t understand. After all, Trump says he’s honest. so there’s proof right there.
Trump predominantly says (and does) contradictory things. As a base reality, Trump is self-contradictory. For normal people, self-contradictions are in the margins.
Of course, there is no comparing of Trump to normal people. I, from half a globe away, know Trump since Home Alone 2. He had a vain loser’s reputation back then, with a solidly documented history of a brankrupt casino buffoon suffering from delusions of being a tycoon. Everybody laughed at this yellow press clown. How Americans forgot what and who Trump is says a lot about Americans.
Trump sank into doing stupid commercials of everything and became a pedo pimp, but Americans see him as the king of “Apprentice” instead. Bill has been thoroughly brainwashed by TV (and his general ignorance of everything helps him a lot with that), yet in his mind he has a lot to teach about how to avoid propaganda.
Trump’s approval numbers are making him miserable, so he’s melting down on Truth Social and lying about the polls:
And:
And:
keiths,
Nice story but simply your opinion of his state of mind and trying to assert what he means in a moment where he expresses his feelings that he doesn’t care.
Again a claim of 30000 lies and one supported. You have an opinion that he has lied more than other politicians. You share that opinion with many others who are vulnerable to propaganda.
Trump:
colewd:
Silly me. When Trump said “No, I don’t care about the Nobel Prize… I really don’t care about that”, I thought he was trying to say that he doesn’t care about the Nobel Prize. But as you point out, he could have meant anything: “I could really go for McDonald’s right now”, “I wish they’d shut up about Epstein”, “How about them Commanders?”, “Catholics believe in the Immaculate Conception”, “Have I told you what a great golf player I am?”, and so on. How would I know? What right do I have to interpret “I don’t care about the Nobel Prize” as meaning “I don’t care about the Nobel Prize”? I don’t know Trump’s state of mind at that moment.
Here is another article providing some valuable insight into Bill’s viewpoint and related political positions. It presents the results of various polls and focus groups, and shows us that we’re been looking in the wrong direction. And why Bill is impervious to facts – they really aren’t relevant at all.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-four-types-of-trump-supporter/ar-AA1USCYX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=697509d765df4a6b861f341082d5eb74&cvpid=3b6c3ae33f214907b46a482e5084793c&ei=18
Trump, on the new shooting:
What a dishonest creep.
colewd,
Trump’s relationship with the truth, or lack of it, is legendary. To the extent that WaPo compiled a database of 30,000 untrue statements NOT ONE of which you have demonstrated to be actually true. That is an extraordinarily voluminous charge sheet, with barely a single act of intentional deceit among them.
You comfort yourself with these fictions: “people only say he’s a twat ‘cos they hate him” or semantic fluff on “what is a lie, really?”. It’s obvious to all that you have some robust defences against cognitive dissonance. You parade these defences daily. So, we get it. “He doesn’t lie; he just says a lot of untrue things”. “If he thinks he won Minnesota 3 times, or stopped 8 wars, it’s what he thinks; he isn’t lying (because, I am told, Lying Would Be Bad)”.
I once wrote “today I saw a tiger up the lonning [dialect for ‘lane’]” in my school ‘diary’, aged 5. You cannot prove I lied. But – I hope you’re sitting down when you read this – it’s not true.
So, we see (apparently; I refuse to watch snuff content) a man with a legal weapon executed in the street, and Noem, Miller are saying he attacked them.
“Ah, but what is a lie, really? They all do it”. “Go the First, yay the Second, but just don’t cause no trouble and you’ll be OK”.
Unbe-fucking-lievable.
I watched this version of it. The weapon (which the man did not touch) is first taken away from the man and then the man is executed.
This is very unambiguously Bolshevist type of behaviour by the regime: Lawless execution on the spot for no reason and then lying about it. The only difference is that over a hundred years ago straight video of the events was not immediately available, so often it sufficed to pretend that nothing happened.
We’ll see if Americans wake up now that two of their own fellow citizens have been extrajudicially executed. We know they do not move when documented and law-abiding foreigners are tortured and killed by American so-called law enforcement. Most Americans always thought that (constitutional) rights belong only to Americans, so let’s see if they are able to notice that people who have no rights on American soil include the citizens.
One proven Trump lie is better than your tally of zero support for your claim that any of this is propaganda. You’re a pathetic stupid liar. And this is not the worst about you. You’re a fascist bastard.
You keep saying that we hate Trump because of his policies. Well, not only. Of course there is nothing to like about Trump’s fascist and imperialist policies (and let’s be clear that it is not going unnoticed that you love Trump exactly for his fascism and imperialism – and utter incompetence) but Trump’s level of lying is also bad enough by itself.
Well, we should not ignore the fact that 77 million voters selected Trump after they knew that he is a convicted felon and tried to overthrow the government. Today, recent polls show that Trump’s core base is if anything more enamored of him than ever, but worse, a clear majority of Republican voters agree that a dictatorship is better than democracy so long as the dictator’s policies align with their prejudices. Concepts like democracy and the rule of law are too hazy for the uneducated American to understand. Shooting, beating up, and deporting brown people, now, is clear and straightforward (and strongly applauded by Trump’s uneducated, older, white, Christian supporters). His nonstop firehose stream of lies is just fine with those people, provided he says the right lies. Trump may live in a fantasy land, but enough people share that fantasy to elect Republicans (and enjoy living there if they’re members of Congress).
Democracy as practiced in the US has enabled financial success for only the top few percent, while the poor get poorer and the middle class erodes away. This has been happening for decades, while people elect Democrats. Democrats are perceived as promising more of the same. And all too many Americans blame this gradual slide into authoritarianism on the Democrats’ despised practice of educating, hiring, and promoting bozos whose only qualification is that they’re the wrong color (and ALL people of color are bozos). Trump understands this and relies on it. And it wins enough elections to control the white house, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. As Pogo said so long ago, we have met the enemy and they are us.
It’s disgusting to see Noem, Blanche and Bovino making excuses on the Sunday shows for yesterday’s murder of Alex Pretti, but satisfying to see how badly they’re whiffing it. Here’s Blanche trying to defend the indefensible:
Deputy AG says federal agents ‘are acting humanely’ amid scrutiny of immigration operations
Yes, they are whiffing it very badly, but I think the regime has already essentially normalised the killing of citizens by ICE. The first killing went by without investigation and repercussions. The second one will pass by with delay tactic. Neither has been explained and the consequence of non-explanations is unaccountability. When more of the same happens, there will be less questions, because everybody knows there will be no answers.
What exactly is happening? Extrajudicial executions with no judicial consequences. Thus far these were against immigrants, but now they occur against white citizens – people who were supposed to be safe from the oppression by this regime, yet Trump’s goons and his base do not bat an eye. Moreover, these are executions by ICE, the federal agency that is not supposed to have any interaction with citizens.
Everything about this is irregular, illegal, and deadly wrong with zero accountability. Just a few hours ago I said “We’ll see,” but now I say we’ve seen enough to know that this is the norm from now on.
Bash presses Bovino on Alex Pretti killing: ‘What evidence do you have?’
“The victims are the Border Patrol agents.” Disgusting.
Or more accurately, there will be wrong answers. In this latest killing, DHS isn’t even letting the FBI investigate – it will be solely in-house. But according to polls, the people who voted for this enthusiastically approve of it – and we note that it is not happening at all in states where those people live. We also note that courts at all levels below the supreme court rule it illegal, and that doesn’t change anything. Obeying the law seems to be one of those norms that are no longer operative.
Seeing a lot more Conservatives condemn this killing than was the case for Renee Good. Possibly because the Second Amendment angle here hits a bit closer to home. Or maybe it’s a straight guy and his partner didn’t give them lip…
But some goons on the Right here are cheering on the possibility Farage will institute ICE Lite, given half a chance. I’m hoping MAGA associations will be so toxic by our next election they won’t get near.
You mean British conservatives like Piers Morgan?
Yes, you mean Brits. Brits are not indicative of the American situation. In America, when Alex Pretti is compared to Kyle Rittenhouse, pro-Trumpites go unashamedly into hypocrisy. In pro-Trumpite mind, Kyle Rittenhouse had the right to “bear arms” (which he did not own but brandished with the express purpose to shoot Blacks – and he shot and killed too) because Second Amendment, whereas Alex Pretti is deemed a domestic terrorist while carrying a gun registered to his own name but not using it.
Trump posted the following a few days ago, and he just posted it again verbatim. He’s freaking out over his low poll numbers, which are only going to get worse in the wake of the Alex Pretti murder. His “everything is a nail” response is to lie about the polls:
Erik,
No, I meant American ones. I then went on to lament British ones.
It’s been a few days since Bill posted. I wonder what he thinks about the lies emanating from the Trump administration regarding Alex Pretti’s murder.
To no one’s surprise, Trump is still repeating his economic lies. Sample from his speech to a crowd in Iowa on Tuesday:
You want to know why you’re not hearing ‘affordability’ much these days, Donald? It’s because the words you’re hearing are “murder”, “execution”, “Alex Pretti”, “Renee Good”, “ICE” and “Gestapo”.
Well, at least those words have replaced the word “Epstein”.