Dishonesty is the defining characteristics of Trump and his administration, and lies are a daily occurrence. While there are far too many lies to track, I thought a thread dedicated to the worst and most notable lies would be useful. There’s a lot of material to choose from.
(I could have tapped into a rich vein of lies simply by linking to Trump’s Truth Social account — hence the OP title.)
At this stage any semi-competent googler can go down the catalog of Trump’s lies and verify for oneself that each of his lies is indeed contradicting easily available independent facts. The tragic part is that you are unable to do it.
colewd:
Allan:
Textbook case of denial. He is watching the sun rise in the east while denying that the sun rises in the east.
colewd:
Yes, I gave you Trump’s words and I gave you the facts. He lied.
Yes, which is why I gave you Trump’s words and gave you the facts for the other two. Same standard. He lied.
Bill, this is not… healthy.
By the by. I believe the number of wars Trump has ended has gone down to minus one. Perhaps time for Infantino to revoke that prestigious FIFA peace price?
keiths,
It is indeed not healthy to build your views of the world on shaky facts. You are not using the same standard on your new claims. You do not have intent nailed on your new claims. What’s wrong is you are presupposing that Trump is a liar and that maybe skewing your judgement.
Bill, this is not… healthy.
You’re suggesting that Trump actually believes that he tried out for major league baseball alongside Willie McCovey? That he has an entire “memory” of a major life event that never occurred? Does this level of delusion not concern you?
You’re suggesting that he actually believes, or believed when he said it, that the Epstein files were fabricated by Obama, Clinton, Comey, Brennan, and the Biden administration? Despite the fact that his own administration had already released some of them, confirming that they were authentic?
Trump’s lie regarding the Epstein files lie is a twofer because it demonstrates not only his dishonesty but also his stupidity. Pam Bondi staged her “Epstein Files: Volume 1” event in February, and she said that same month that the Epstein client list was on her desk for review at Trump’s directive. The files were constantly in the news during the following months. Then the DOJ issued a memo in July saying that they had “exhaustively reviewed” the files and found no reason to investigate anyone.
It was after all of the above that Trump made his claim about the files being fabricated. Did he actually think no one would notice that he was contradicting what his own administration had been stating for months?
Regarding the baseball tryout lie, it isn’t just that Willie McCovey wasn’t there. It’s that Trump clearly never tried out at all. A reporter looked into Trump’s high school batting average and found box scores for a third of the games Trump played. His batting average was .138, lol. Does anyone think that a major league team would invite a guy with a .138 high school batting average to try out?
Someone here was fond of quoting Molly Ivins’s “military denial”; they’d look you square in the face with bodies piled high and insist nothing occurred.
“The other country pays the tariffs”.
“Drugs come down 1000, 1500, even 500%”.
“I asked Uncle John – Dr John Trump, a brilliant man – about the Unabomber”.
“I – a fat guy in his late 70s – won 38 golf tournaments, fair and square”.
“I stopped eight wars”
“Down is the new Up”
(I paraphrase).
But if you dare think these are ilies – rather than the ramblings of a deluded old man, which is the much more acceptable position apparently – you’re the irrational one, brainwashed.
Allan:
Except that Bill squirms to avoid that implication too:
keiths:
colewd:
Cult rules don’t allow him to say that Trump is a liar, but they also don’t allow him to say that Trump is deluded. That puts him in an uncomfortable position. I almost think he’s headed for the following rationalization. Keep in mind that he hasn’t been arguing (lately, anyway) that Trump isn’t a liar — he’s only been arguing that we don’t know that Trump is a liar. That prepares the way for the following bogus reasoning:
It’s as flimsy as tissue paper. No intelligent person would be fooled by that reasoning, but I don’t think that Bill is trying to persuade us, I think he’s trying to persuade himself. His slavish devotion to Trump is purely emotional and irrational, but the pseudo-logic above might allow him to pretend to himself that he’s being reasonable. It might make him feel better about adhering to a position that even he, at some level, probably recognizes as ridiculous.
One of Trump’s Venezuela lies:
He’s referring to Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, winner of last year’s Nobel Peace Prize. She has the overwhelming support of the Venezuelan people, and Maduro was so frightened of her that the government banned her from the ballot in the 2024 election. Her replacement candidate won in a landslide, according to independent monitors, with 67-70% of the vote, but Maduro stole the election and remained in power.
She enjoys far more support and respect in Venezuela than Trump does in the United States. He’s lying. And if support and respect are the barometers, then by his own standards, Trump (with his 36% approval rating) should resign immediately.
Machado was the obvious (and democratic) choice to lead Venezuela in the aftermath of Maduro’s kidnapping, but instead Trump left the Maduro government in place, just without Maduro.
Why would Trump ignore the wishes of the people? Here’s what the Washington Post reported:
Trump doesn’t care about democracy, and he doesn’t care about the people of Venezuela. He cares about Trump. Widdle Donnie wanted the Pwize, and he’s resentful of the woman who got it and deserved it.
Bill, of all the personality cults you could have joined, why did you pick this weak, insecure and amoral loser to be your leader?
And speaking of approval, Trump is still lying about that, too:
No one (except maybe Bob’s Opinion Research Agency and Auto Repair Shop) has Trump at 64%. Gallup has him at 36% as of December 15th.
Trump is a pathological liar.
keiths,
Step one show the original quotes from the source as you did with the Truth social post regarding Epstein.
Grok man cannot do Google. Or TV for that matter. And we are supposed to learn from you how to research facts?
The original source, at least for me, was a video clip of Trump saying exactly what he said. How much more original do you demand? That clip was televised many times, even on Fox News. How did you miss it?
colewd:
I gave you Trump’s exact words here and here. To figure out how old Donald Trump was when Willie McCovey entered the majors, look up the year Trump was born, look up the year McCovey entered the majors, and subtract the former from the latter. You already know that Obama et al didn’t forge the Epstein documents — all five million of them (or whatever the current DOJ count is).
The rest is up to you. You can deny that the sun rises in the east while watching the sun rise in the east, or you can come to grips with reality.
If you don’t want to face the truth about your Dear Leader — and it appears that you don’t — that’s on you. It’s no sweat off my back. The point of this thread is to document Trump’s lies, not to convince you of them. Watching a cult member fight the truth is just a fascinating bonus.
I do genuinely feel sorry for you. I can see that you’re struggling emotionally with the fact that Trump doesn’t belong on a pedestal, but is in fact a dishonest, weak, insecure, childish, amoral, unintelligent and incompetent man. An inferior man you should be looking down on, not up to. I’d like to help you, but I’m not a cult deprogrammer. All I can do is present you with the truth, take it or leave it, and offer to help you learn how to distinguish truth from fiction.
So far you’ve declined. That’s your choice. Truth is scary to a cult member, and I get that. If I could help you bolster your courage, I would, but the best I can do is to tell you that accepting the truth rather than fighting it leads to a better, more peaceful life.
And as we’ve been saying, Bill is not some outlier pathological case study. It seems that at least a third of Republican voters grip this same delusion with all they’re worth, and it doesn’t matter how many lies Trump tells or how flagrantly obvious they are. These are people who want to be lied to. The truly interesting pathology is the enormous share of viewers addicted to Fox News. Something is very wrong with earth1 if earth2 has that kind of a grip, that even a lobotomy can’t dislodge.
Flint:
It’s far worse than that. In a September 15 YouGov poll, 75% of Republicans said that Trump was “honest and trustworthy”. Same wording in a Dec 15 Gallup poll, where 77% of Republicans agreed that he was “honest and trustworthy”. The Republican Party is the party of mass delusion. Sad, but unfortunately not surprising. In the runup to the 2024 election, polling showed that 60-70% of Republicans still believed that the 2020 election was stolen.
Bill, are you with the nutjob contingent on that question as well as the honesty question?
ETA: I should add that among independents, whose opinions Bill used to regard so highly, only 19% (Gallup) and 18% (YouGov) think Trump is “honest and trustworthy”. Less than 1 in 5. How about them independents, Bill?
So, we just walk in and take stuff we fancy, now? If you’re big and strong enough, I guess***. Lunch Money Diplomacy; MAGA yuk it up like Biff’s goons. It’s what Jesus would have wanted.
*** I am aware certain European countries don’t have a stellar record in this regard.
keiths,
I cannot get to this link. Where was he quoted?
Apparently, colewd has become incapable of clicking on links, even if they lead to pages on the very site he is now posting on. This strange handicap shall henceforth be known as Trumpian Disability Syndrome (TDS).
keiths,
I now see it came from Brian Kilmeade’s book in 2004.
Have you read the entire page that this quote was in reference to? I am not sure how you would conclude this is a lie vs some other explanation? Possibly a lack of memory from 40 years in the past. The name McCovey had little to do with the point he was making.
colewd:
The short answer: because I am not stupid.
The longer answer: because not even someone as addled as Donald Trump would forget whether he tried out for major league baseball alongside a Hall of Famer who was Rookie of the Year and ended up with 521 career home runs.
Do you have trouble remembering whether you tried out for major league baseball against future Hall of Famers?
It had everything to do with the point he was making, which was “I was so good at baseball that it took watching Willie McCovey to convince me that I was better off in real estate.” In reality, Trump had a shitty batting average at a small school in a non-competitive high school league. No major league team would have been desperate enough to invite him to a tryout.
That’s far from the only lie he’s told about his high school athletic prowess, and even now he’s lying about his golf skills. Throw into the mix the fact that he lied about having bone spurs so that he could evade the Vietnam draft, yet those bone spurs somehow didn’t prevent him from being (supposedly) the best athlete at his school and the best baseball player in New York state. Liars — especially dumb ones like Trump — have a hard time keeping their stories straight.
Trump is a liar, Bill. That’s the reality. I’ve presented you with the facts, but I can’t help you come to grips with it emotionally. That’s up to you and your therapist.
keiths,
You are not stupid but you let bias get in the way of objectively analysing information. This has been a trend in prior posts. You made a claim of 30000 lies and you have been able to establish 1 so far.
colewd,
Oh good grief, Bill! As Burns Night approaches, we might resurrect “Oh, wad the power the giftie gie us, to see ourselves as others see us”.
Still waiting for you to support your claim that any of these lies (WaPo carefully avoids the word) is in fact propaganda. That is a positive claim, before you go all ‘burden shift’ on me.
keiths,
I remember trying out for major league baseball like it was yesterday. Not something you’d forget in a hurry. I barely knew which way round to hold the stick, but they loved my British accent.
So, Renee Good was a “professional agitator” according to Trump’s own words (“Did he write them? Can you prove she wasn’t? Can you prove he really thought she wasn’t?” says the dedicatedly objective observer untroubled by bias). So are we saying she got paid to agitate? On what grounds?
On Greenland meanwhile, America can have all the bases it wants (but has reduced), can bid for mining rights all it wants. But Trump says he can’t do this without ownership. He claims the seas around it are full of Russian and Chinese ships – but these don’t show up on maritime trackers. So I guess they are cloaked, and we must Trust Trump. Because why would he lie? He’s never lied before, not once. That’s just propaganda.
Allan:
Corneel,
I miss the ‘like’ feature.