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Heh, that’s funny, now phoodoo guesses we will find some phenotypes more abundant than others.
But just one comment before (two if you count the comment moved to guano) phoodoo said:
So either phoodoo means:
every hand is a winner, but some are more abundantly winning than others. That’s a positive outlook, right?
or:
every hand is NOT a winner, some are losers and only some are winners (the abundant phenotype ones).
or:
What? Is there a third possibility?
What else could explain this apparent contradiction made within 2 hours?
It’s not as if phoodoo had time to go away and learn something about evolution in 2 hours. Well, no, that’s not completely true: phoodoo might have had the time. But there’s never been any evidence that xe would have the desire.
Howsabout it, phoodoo? Care to take on the challenge of explaining your contradiction?
It’s not rational for you to throw a temper tantrum just because Alan politely asked you a question.
The sensible thing to do would be to respond with the name of whichever of the papers it was.
And if you want to behave like a person interested in a discussion, you would helpfully add something like the page number or “it’s in the introduction” or “it’s the conclusion”.
And if you really feel like behaving decently (as christians are supposed to – but I don’t need to remind you of that, do I?) you would finish your comment with “That was an interesting paper, Alan, thanks for the link.”
But that’s only how a rational, decent, interested adult would behave.
“First paper” must mean the lizard study. It appears to indicate that several field studies are ongoing,
which refutes your claim that
I wonder what you make of the work of Peter Grant and Rosemary Grant?
I suggest the odds of survival to reproduce are set by the environment, where individuals may fare better carrying beneficial alleles that others in the population might not possess. I see that is not what Joe had in mind. Bad guess on my part.
Alan Fox,
An ongoing study or lizards refutes the claim that there are not MANY studies where people have measured the fitness differences between animals?
You say this as a sober person?
How many studies do I have to list before I pass the threshold of more than “not many”?
I’ve not developed the taste for alcohol at breakfast.
Alan Fox,
Was there something in the study you thought was meaningful? Have we determined that this ONE study says anything? Does it fall into the category of the other studies which you linked which stated that most studies are small, can not be replicated, and do not take into consideration behavior or physiology?
It was the first black swan I came across. You seemed to be suggesting in saying
that you doubted there were such studies. There seem to be plenty. I liked the look of the lizard studies because wall lizards are very common here and readily observed when it is warm and sunny. It was interesting to read how observation can be formalized into producing data that can be analysed mathematically.
It demonstrates that field studies to assess fitness in lizard populations are ongoing, which seems to refute your suggestion that NO (or is it not many?) studies are/have been taking place.
Why not quote directly so I can see clearly what you are referring to?
Regarding fitness studies, we should not overlook plants. Here is an interesting study looking at the effect of simulated climate change on Arabidopsis thaliana. Again it is good to see efforts to quantify effects that we might note ourselves anecdotally.
Just checking in after cataract surgery. I’m doing fine, but the repaired eye is still healing and not ready for reading or computer glasses. My eyes were significantly nearsighted, so one is far corrected and the other has a coke bottle lens. So at the moment, nothing is quite right. they are fighting for dominance and cannot blend.
Which is to say, using the computer is a strain.
petrushka,
Then chill and be patient! 🙂 We’ll still be here when you’re fully recovered. Glad to hear all went well.
But he might miss the first appearance of an actual scientific hypothesis for intelligent design creationism! Everyone is going to remember where they were when that happens.
(Glad to hear you’re on the mend, petrushka.)
Those of us that live long enough at least!
It supports my suggestion that there are plenty of field studies into fitness.
Pointing out a couple of the many field studies on fitness? How is that bluffing? Did I make up the studies?
Anyway it looks like phoodoo may be on R & R, judging by this comment of his at Uncommon Descent:
I wonder if anyone reading phoodoo’s comment at UD may be sufficiently motivated to check if phoodoo’s description bears any relation to reality.
Oh and thanks, Lizzie, for defending Aurelio Smith’s honour at UD. I see Kairosfocus is speculating on the nefarious deeds that Aurelio may have indulged in while his window of opportunity remained open.
He surmises:
Behind-the-scenes enquiries have established the specific violation from the powers-that-be. Aurelio was disappeared for “being an ass-hole”. 😉
An excuse to show why I’m a computer scientist, and not a poet.
Doubled Vision
And right between these two a girl at play
That it may be had danced her life away
—William Butler Yeats
No one lens corrected
my duplicitous vision,
let me see oncoming cars
and brushstrokes in paint,
features of the full moon
and my face in a mirror.
With twofold correction,
it took no time to learn
to keep both eyes open,
but to use them at once
without melding the views
into blindness took years.
Still I move without grace,
not quite able to let go
the caution learned in days
when I was prone to fall.
No amount of practice
of a dialectic two-step
will make me into a child
who forgets all bruises.
Not two views nor twenty
will let me see how a flame
bends before a whisper,
yet I scrutinize the wind.
The Double Vision of Michael Robartes, by William Butler Yeats.
My response to suggestions that someone simply copy Dr. Ewert Answers, on which UD holds copyrights, to TSZ: it’s against the law. Whoever copies material into a post here should intersperse substantive commentary. Should Ewert not put in an appearance here, I’ll do that, one post per question that I posed. Presumably DiEb would do the same for his questions, if invited.
It would be much better to get Winston, who has commented here previously, to engage in a discussion. I can’t see that we lose anything by giving him more time.
Alan Fox (and Lizzie),
It was great to see Lizzie deny kairosfocus a payoff for pulling her chain. He has shat FIASCO and heaped procedural complaint upon procedural complaint in countless threads not his own. How funny, to see him do himself in, and then close the comments.
Onlookers:
It is sadly revealing he reads here a lot hoping to be persecuted. If he really wanted to discuss things he can start a thread here. Unfortunatley history shows he in uncompetitive in open dialogue and so must hide in the highly moderated pillowfort.
Troll much Aurelio?
Erik,
Indeed.
@ Mung,
I’m moving some comments, including mine, to Sandbox which is intended for discussion that would be OT elsewhere.
Apologies for contributing to the derail.
Mung,
Only used pseudonyms at Uncommon Descent. I much rather post under my real name and would have done there had not someone played silly buggers with the moderation. Remember when Bill Dembski ran it, there was no dissent allowed. A comment would disappear at his whim. Simple. There was more (and on occasion less) consistency with DaveScot but we got along OK. I had some email exchange with him from time to time and he could be quite reflective and had a sense of humour I could understand. Barry Arrington. Don’t like him as he appears to lack any integrity. He’s a politician at heart. Unfortunately for him, he’s got a poor hand to play and a poor strategy for playing it.
PS
How do you define “Troll”?
Do you consider all the comments I made at UD under the pseudonym of Aurelio Smith fall into that category? Do you think a definition that categorizes my comments as “trolling” would include any of your comments? I’d like to see the Venn diagram of that. Unfortunately, apart from fragmentary evidence at UD and saved pages by myself and others, they are lost to posterity. I doubt that gives you much concern and I agree it was no serious loss, though I did invest a fair amount of effort into composing them.
I can’t be arsed to find examples, but there are a few inconsistencies in how you expect others to treat you and how you treat others.
Gelegenheit macht den Dieb.
L’occasion fait le….
Apologies for a draft OP I accidentally posted.
ETA: And deleted almost immediately.
Elizabeth:
Seriously, you’re still beating this drum? How often have your words been deleted at UD?
One poster, an admitted sock-puppet, had all posts by the sock-puppet deleted. This is your sample size? This is the basis of your fear?
Isn’t it time to move on?
Nice spin there Mung. The fact is Smith’s posts were deleted and Smith banned a week before Alan Fox identified himself as the author. Over at ATBC there’s a list of dozens of other scientifically knowledgeable folks who have been banned at UD, many of them by Banny Arrogant himself.
Since most IDiots don’t understand intellectual honesty it’s no wonder you see no problems with such heavy handed censorship.
Always make me smile.
Not true. I identified myself as the person who was posting under the pseudonym “Aurelio Smith”. Sockpuppetry involves a poster using an additional identity to pretend support for a point of view.
I agree the subject of Uncommon Descent’s moderation is off-topic for this thread and I already replied here to your
I look forward to seeing a response from you there.
Aurelio Smith, in the name of Aurelio Smith, was invited to contribut an OP to UD. All responses to that OP made in the name of Aurelio Smith were deleted, without explanation, and regardless of whether they violated any rule.
To claim that “Aurelio Smith” was an “admitted sockpuppet” as though a pseudonym is something that warrants banning and deletion, when the pseudonym had been used in the invited OP, is, well, disingenuous.
And I have no idea whether my posts will at UD will be retrospectively deleted, Mung. It hasn’t happened so far, but the precedent has been set.
And I’m not going to bother to post there until there is assurance that it won’t happen again. Partly because I don’t want to spend time on posts that subsequently disappear (although that could be solved by cross posting them here, although it would be a PITA), but because I, like others, am making a stand over this.
Call it a boycott if you like. I’m not going to participate in a forum in which dissenting posters can have their entire posting history disappeared without explanation or trace. It’s Orwellian.
disingenuous basically describes the whole ID enterprise.
I am not talking about Alan Fox, it’s obvious who I am talking about. Or do you claim that no poster has been banned at UD with all that posters posts removed?
Duh.
You may not know you are talking about Alan Fox but you are in fact talking about Alan Fox. This is why the whole issue is such a charade.
I’m Aurelio
According to Mung, unless you are using your real name you’ve no right to complain if your entire comment history is deleted.
Mung, that’s a strange name. Birth name is it?
Developments after the fact do not change the fact that a poster was banned and all his content deleted when as far as anyone knew Aurelio was Aurelio.
Even if Barry had suspicions, da facts is that he deleted a user and all his postings without any notice. It could happen to anyone. Except for you and the other regulars.
I wish to apologise for posting without out reading everything. Reading with reading glasses is new to me and something of a strain.
An interesting phenomenon — which might derail a thread — is that I have gone from functionally blind in my right eye to 20/30 in just a few days. The first few days were interesting, to say the least. The eye had been unused for so long that at first I could tell that it was corrected, but the image was incoherent. I could look at a solitaire deck on the computer and see individual cards clearly, but the pattern of the deck was incoherent. I had to re-learn how to see out of that eye.
After several days of walking around without glasses, the world began to make sense. I am reminded of experiments where people acclimated to inverting goggles.
Just tossing out a bone for anyone who thinks perception is unrelated to learning and feedback, or is somehow independent of experience.
Just my opinion, but perception seems to be constructed through interaction.
from another thread:
The Jokes, they write themselves!
Yup
Yes, very much so.
The img tag isn’t working for me. Here’s one: .
Do I need some attribute other than src? Do I have to put in a / at the end?
here is a pastebin with the source of the previous comment: http://pastebin.com/b72neFva
JonF,
It may depend on your WordPress role.
I had a similar problem a while ago when attempting to embed videos in my OPs. WordPress would strip out the embedding code, so I had to ask the admins to put it in for me.
Nope, not working with the alt attribute added.
There was a little discussion of this somewhere recently, and IIRC Lizzie thinks that img was restricted to some but is no allowed for all.
I’m not sure what my role is but I can see the WP dashboard which seems to indicate I’m more than just hoi polloi.
You have “Author” status JonF which allows you to write and publish OPs. You should have no problem publishing images in an OP. I think comments are a bit more restricted regarding images and video. There is a possibility I can change permissions for you to embed images. Give me a few minutes.
ETA
Doesn’t seem easy to do without editing CSS which I’m reluctant to do. Tried a plugin (Comment Images) but it crashes. You could try posting your comment without the image, then click on the grey edit button, top right, and try the image tag in the editor. I think you need to upload your image to the media file first. It’s the camera icon on the left of the dashboard.
If you’re still stuck PM me.
Test of epsdice in
: 
ETA: No joy.
For “PCD Andre @ UD” http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.114.238103
He’s gonna love it.