Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.
I’ve opened a new “Sandbox” thread as a post as the new “ignore commenter” plug-in only works on threads started as posts.
I bet my life. Already.
The question is not whether the vaccine had adverse effects, but whether the virus had greater effects. I’m pretty sure the overwhelming percentage of people have had covid.
There is an issue facing the world that seems appropriate to a forum that originally discussed evolution.
That topic is demographics. Population decline.
Say what? At 16.3 per thousand over all, the 2023 birth rate is TWICE the death rate (7.6), according to ourworldindata.org.
I do think that, within the first world, people are evolving to become stupider, but that does not appear to be what you are complaining about.
For some reason the quote function when replying now works for me again. I don’t know if Alan did something to the Forum software, if there is some background change on my PC, or if the planets are aligned again, but in any case I can quote people again. Win 🙂
faded_Glory,
This is why it’s working now. Alan, on the Moderation Issues thread:
How do I cash your “life” if you are wrong?
You must be joking…
Used? I used my tennis racket in golfing. Some people used shovels. Can you see the problem? How effective those tools were?
I’ve have overheard that the convid-19 “vaccines” are actually failed gene therapies if such a thing is even possible…
RFK Jr. is purging the CDC “vaccine” advisory nonsense… What is going to change?
I’m just wondering when he is going to apply the knowledge he clearly has that convid-19 was a scam with seasonal flu like symptoms were replaced by convid-19?
If viruses don’t exist, as virologist Stefan Lanka claimed, what would that mean for the evolutionary theory? Another brick in the wall of nonsense missing?
J-Mac:
If the earth is a pancake, as the Flat Earth Society claims, what would that mean for geology and geography? Would the ridiculous Round Earthers finally get their comeuppance?
Nobody can answer this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIKhleWExg
Haha. The real Kandiss Taylor is almost that bad:
Globes, globes, globes everywhere
“This would be a globe if I was a normal person”, lol.
Do you believe that the universe is a hologram?
Yes or No?
J-Mac:
If you’re asking whether the holographic principle applies, the answer is: I have no idea. We live in de Sitter space, but the holographic principle was developed in the context of anti-de Sitter space. It isn’t yet known whether it applies in de Sitter space. That’s all I know about it.
What does that have to do with virus deniers and flat-earthers?
I like your honesty. Good for you, keiths. They virus model is unlikely to be right because what both evolutionary biologist and virologists ascribe what viruses can do.
It’s nonsense…
J-Mac,
What is the connection between the holographic principle, virus deniers, and flat-earthers? Are the Illuminati involved? Did vaccines kill JFK?
Have I ever been disrespectful to you?
J-Mac:
Yes.
Saw this ad on Truth Social and thought it was too funny not to share:
Well then I’m sorry. I don’t remember but I hope you forgive people who wish you well..?
If you are really interested I can tell you one thing that the virus model is broken and it can’t work. It never did and the so-called flu vaccines were the first indications of that failure. While Stefan Lanka got me interested in this subject, I realized long time ago that virus model must have been broken because of the claims virology made, It was bs.
Be well, keiths.
J-Mac:
Don’t sweat it, J-Mac. I took it in stride.
SOCRATES. You agree, Thermippos, that all men are mortal.
THERMIPPOS. I do.
SOcRATES. And you agree furthermore that I am a man.
THERMIPPOS. I have no reason to doubt it, Socrates.
SOcRATEs. Surely then you agree that I am mortal.
THERMIPPOS. I didn’t say that. You did. Don’t put words in my mouth.
SOCRATES. I beg your pardon, Thermippos, but I have simply drawn what follows.
THERMIPPOS. Strawman.
SOCRATES. But no true reasoner could fail – THERMIPPOS. Ah, the no-true-Macedonian fallacy.
SOCRATES. But, Thermippos, given the logical form…
THERMIPPOS. Define “logical form”.
SocraTes…. you must either accept the conclusion or reject at least one of the premises.
THERMIPPOS. False dichotomy.
SOCRATES. I see, Thermippos. You’re an idiot.
THERMIPPOS. And that’s an ad hominem.
Scrolling up, I see J-Mac is a virus denier. Colour me unsurprised. As a former molecular biologist, it’s akin to telling a mechanic there’s no such thing as the internal combustion engine. It’s that dimwitted. Viruses played a massive part in the development of molecular biology, as tools. There is a straight line from objection to Covid measures to denial of the entire class of entities – even Tobacco Mosaic Virus, the best studied of all. Pure batshit crazy.
For those who care about Brigitte Macron being accused of being a man and taking on the identity of here younger brother Jean-Michel Tragnoux, it looks like I will be subpoenaed to testify in one the cases against Cadence Owens and there is not much my lawyer can do about that but charge me $700 hour …lol
This website sucks. I get an error message almost each time I post. I’d like to purchase this domain from Lizzie and make Keiths responsible for running it without any interference, even mine, if Keiths agrees.
Let’s end this madness!
J-Mac,
I’ve lined up a firm to fix the technical problems (details in Moderation Issues, starting here). They need some information from Lizzie before they can proceed, but she’s aware of it and will provide it soon.
J-Mac:
That should probably go in the Candace Owens thread. I’ve reposted it in that thread, and you can tell us about your subpoena there.
Q. How important was the “evolution of either dead or “alive” viruses” in the evolution theory? What would happen if the existence of viruses was made up? What would be the consequences?
I don’t have to…I’m in touch with her trying to convince her to drop the JMT brother case to Brigitte Macron case… She hates being wrong
So, she is not responding
Candace Owens is dead wrong about Brigitte Macron taking on her brothers identity. Candace and Xavier Poussard are wrong and I can prove it easily…
Regarding the so-called vaccines, including the m
RNA, I’m not surprised how the so-called vaccinologists here quickly switched from what vaccines were originally designed to do to what they now supposedly do…
BTW: Allen Miller, at what university did you take your long lasting vaccination courses? Was it Oxford? Or was it another of the most reputable English universities?
Let us know because my sceptical son thinks you are a phoney…
You can beat him now..
J-Mac,
Repost in the appropriate thread (antivax) and I will be happy to discuss.
J-Mac,
Extensively addressed in ‘Antivax’. I suspect the effort wasted, since you haven’t even addressed my very first response, on flu, but I’m a trier.
http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/antivax/comment-page-3/#comment-303760 http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/antivax/comment-page-3/#comment-303762
Do the vaccines work or don’t they?
I can prove no vaccine ever worked and never will..especially the bs mRNA vaccines…
If anyone would like to challenge me, I will pay say 10k for a reasonable challenge to prove me wrong…
Who gets to judge?
petrushka:
And is J-Mac willing to put the money in escrow?
Cash prizes are #13 on the Crackpot Index.
Übercrank Stefan Lanka offered such a prize for establishing the existence of the measles virus. He was taken to court, lost, but won on appeal on a complete technicality: it all had to be in a single paper. Which thickies trumpet as “German court rules viruses don’t exist”!
There’s a whole thread laid out ready and waiting for you to pursue your arguments, but you seem to lack sticktoitiveness. Not complaining; some of the more energetic antivaxxers can keep me going for weeks.
I don’t need your money. I’m already a wealthy man having been paid vast sums by the Illuminati to pretend viruses are real…
I’m not sure where to post this since I’m not allowed to to post posts, but I was wondering if people here are aware what is going on with the so-called Freedom Movement that was formed after the convid-19 scam. While it is fragmented, I’m not a part of it, a large crowd of people with good credentials, like Dr. Mike Yeadon, have come forward claiming that not only Stefan Lanka was right about viruses, that they don’t exist, the contagion model, germ theory is also wrong.
Simply put, they claim we have been lied to not only about viruses existence-like Lanka claimed – but also about the whole germ theory.
I’m not going to leave my opinion here for now… but I will eventually.
I’m sure those who are perceptive have seen how convid-19 “vaccines” have changed from preventing people to carry the virus to hopefully preventing the symptoms if the stats could be rigged…
I don’t feel sorry for those who should have known better and took the mRNA BS shots.
How much are we talking about and who will be the judge?
if virus model is broken or viruses don’t exist, why do we need protection?
You are familiar with Lanka’s work, right?
We bought SARS CoV-2 samples from 3 sources. Would you like to work with those?
Tell me how to test it to be the contagious and killer virus…
You won’t is my guess because you have no integrity like DNA joke…
Quite. We reject your premise as crackpot-level wrong.
Yes. Although “work” is rather generous.
Did you actually take receipt of live virus samples? Did you lie about your BSL to do so? It’s a little bit surprising that a person who believes viruses don’t exist would pony up over $4,000 for non-existent entities. Color me incredulous.
Inhale the powder deeply.
I’m not the one apparently lying to take receipt of biohazardous materials, but you do you.
J-Mac,
Seriously? How are you storing them? You have a BS3 lab?
Recruit some volunteers to be infected/be controls.
Haha, a familiar tic “Do this but you won’t cos you’re a twat”. I’ve made a thread for you. I’ll change the title if it’s too snarky. I hope you’ll visit more than once a fortnight; drive-bys are tiresome. It’ll make a change from Trump.
DNA_Jock,
Lanka is major-league weird. He has the knowledge base (unlike the gullible Yeadon) and has published papers on viruses, as has Mike Donio. I have no idea what they might say to their former selves about the molecular biology of the situation – eg sequencing, PCR, ELISA detection of proteins not coded for in the human genome, the extensive use of viruses as tools in molecular biology. I know what they say to the rubes, who don’t know any better – some impossible waffle about ‘cell debris’ – but have not seen them address these ideas with anyone knowledgeable.