Sandbox (3)

Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.

This is also a continuation of previous Sandbox threads (1) and (2) that have fallen victim to the dreaded page bug.

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  1. stcordova

    Ever been to Mississippi

    Well yes. I didn’t see much racism there, personally, so times probably have changed a lot (for the better).

    Ah yes, the marvelous casino towns of Mississippi that are here now with some gone away:

    Greenville (scary place, looked like left-wing Detroit in some places)
    Lula ( ok )
    Tunica (escorted out under threat of arrest)
    Vicksburg (escorted out under threat of arrest)
    Biloxi (my favorite)

    Ah yes, Biloxi and the Beau Rivage

    Ever been to Mississippi, they might be 50th in every other category

    Actually they’ve ranked #1 for some years for the fattest people in the USA! Congratulations to Mississippi:
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mississippi-the-fattest-state-again/article/2565096

  2. newton

    petrushka: I’ve never been to Mississippi, but I’ve lived in the south side of Chicago. I’ve seen what happened to my wife’s childhood neighborhood.

    What happened?

  3. MungMung

    I say to the grown-ups: if you want to deny evolution and live in your world that is completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine. But don’t make your kids do it, because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems.

    – Bill Nye

    LoL. We need your kids to learn evolution. Because we need taxpayers and engineers, not evolutionists. You can’t make this stuff up.

  4. newton

    Mung: LoL. We need your kids to learn evolution. Because we need taxpayers and engineers, not evolutionists. You can’t make this stuff up.

    The key phrase was scientifically literate.

  5. dazzdazz

    Seems to me american fundies are trained to read everything like they read the bible: find something that seems to support whatever you have in mind and ignore the rest, with Mung being the epitome of that crap

  6. petrushka

    newton: What happened?

    White flight. Chicago perfected it. It happened while my wife was a kid. Her high school was 95 percent black. Now the neighborhood is as segregated as ever, just black.

    I grew up in segregation city, Florida. White flight never happened. Blacks moved into white neighborhoods and nothing remarkable happened. Even the gated neighborhoods are technically integrated, just segregated by income.

  7. Tom EnglishTom English

    IIRC, I lived in Mississippi for 27 years. It’s a place of extremes. It’s a place where you have no choice but to pick a side. The finest people I’ve ever known are in Mississippi. The worst in Mississippi are deplorable. But I can’t say that they’re worse than the worst I’ve seen elsewhere. They’re just more overt in what makes them deplorable.

    Donald “From Many Sides” Trump is not overt. But he took a side yesterday, declining to take a side in a circumstance where he had no choice but to take a side. And I realize today that I have no choice but to oppose him actively, even though I’m in poor health.

    He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

    Martin Luther King, Jr.

  8. newton

    Mung: As if no one was scientifically literate prior to 1859. Not buying it.

    Compared to our scientific knowledge today?

  9. MungMung

    Tom English: And I realize today that I have no choice but to oppose him actively, even though I’m in poor health.

    Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Here’s to your health Tom.

  10. MungMung

    newton: Compared to our scientific knowledge today?

    I don’t know why anyone would think that we have arrived. Even our best scientists are still incredibly scientifically illiterate.

  11. Tom EnglishTom English

    Mung: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Here’s to your health Tom.

    I don’t know of anyone who’s done better at putting this into practice than did Mohandas K. Gandhi. Like MLK, I’m a great admirer of him. Gandhi emphasized that his response was not passive, but active: nonviolent noncooperation. I wonder what noncooperation would be in this circumstance.

  12. newton

    Mung: I don’t know why anyone would think that we have arrived. Even our best scientists are still incredibly scientifically illiterate.

    Part of being literate in science is understanding
    science is provisional Did you think Bill Nye was saying children have to know everything ?

  13. newton

    Tom English: IIRC, I lived in Mississippi for 27 years. It’s a place of extremes. It’s a place where you have no choice but to pick a side. The finest people I’ve ever known are in Mississippi. The worst in Mississippi are deplorable. But I can’t say that they’re worse than the worst I’ve seen elsewhere. They’re just more overt in what makes them deplorable.

    I grew up in New Orleans.If I remember right when you drove East on I-10 you knew when you were in Mississippi because the pavement went to shit. The motto of Mississippi being ” We make your state look good. “

  14. MungMung

    newton: Did you think Bill Nye was saying children have to know everything ?

    No, I think he was saying children need to know evolution so they could grow up to be taxpayers and engineers. Which is, of course, utter stupidity.

    But thanks for playing the “I’ll defend anything an evolutionist says no matter how ignorant or irrational ” game.

  15. newton

    Mung:
    No, I think he was saying children need to know evolution so they could grow up to be taxpayers and engineers. Which is, of course, utter stupidity.

    Perhaps it is your paraphrasing

    “We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future.

    Personally I think we should have scientically literate voters and taxpayers in the future. It may help them sort out the truth. And whether you like it or not knowledge of evolutionary theory is a major part of biology and of course it is compatible with ID.

    We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems.

    As long as engineers vote, I am for them being as knowledgeable as possible

    But thanks for playing the “I’ll defend anything an evolutionist says no matter how ignorant or irrational ” game.

    Thanks for reducing me to a stereotype, sorry just think more knowledgeable electorate is a good thing

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