Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.
This is also a continuation of previous Sandbox threads (1) and (2) that have fallen victim to the dreaded page bug.
Sometimes very active discussions about peripheral issues overwhelm a thread, so this is a permanent home for those conversations.
This is also a continuation of previous Sandbox threads (1) and (2) that have fallen victim to the dreaded page bug.
So you want it both ways? They hate the truth that has not yet been determined? Is that seriously your claim? Can’t you just tell me what this “truth” is that you mentioned in your first comment? How can they hate it if you can’t explain what it is?
I think you set the bar low a long time ago when you misrepresented the views of a 17 year old because of who her father was. Fair game huh?
https://udoj.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/salvador-cordova-asshole-of-the-year/
And as such you have no basis to complain about the behaviour of others. You’ve been slandering people for years.
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/05/02/sal-cordovas-rank-dishonesty/
So don’t play the academic freedom card now. It just ain’t gonna work.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080106113229/http://www.youngcosmos.com/blog/archives/161
Is this the truth you mention, about what Darwinists believe? If Darwinism is bad science which originated from the feeble mind of math-challenged Darwin then what does that make ID given the comparative success of the two ideas?
This is what Skatje said:
How would you like me to represent her statement?
Like a man.
Yes indeed, the notion of “MAN” as in adult MALE, is still symbolic of archetypal ideals. Don’t you think your statement is a bit anti-feminist and sexist?
If you were a woman I’d have said like a woman instead.
You know, instead of like a child. A child you can excuse from ignorance, but a grown adult?
You, sir, have no honor.
Do you still stand behind that statement?
Do you believe that women are equal to men in all ways? Do you believe feminism is a good thing? I do, on both counts. Equality for all genders beyond the binary is also a good thing, agreed? I already know your opinions on these matters however. I can’t wait until you have a transgender child, then you’ll gain some empathy. Until then, FOAD.
It’s hard to believe the long time bigot is asking if I think what I’ve said is anti-feminist and sexist. Why, do I get to join your bigot club if so Sal?
She’s saying she’s not surprised about it given that humans clearly have deep relationships with their pets (countless families have a pet dog or cat that they literally love in the same way siblings might love each other, as a close family member you trust and as a friend), not that she believes humans and animals should have sex.
She’s right of course. Given that humans have deep emotional relationships with their pets, it should not come as a suprise that some people manage to turn this sexual.
It isn’t “Darwinism” that makes it the case that humans typically love their pets as if they were family members. In fact that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Sal wants and deliberately tried to make it seem like she was advocating or arguing for sexual relations with animals. And the fact that she and her father is a “Darwinist” is what Sal hopes he can tie together with a desire for sex with animals.
Sal knew that everything he did was wrong. Because he really is a worse person than most.
It seems knowing something is wrong does not prevent them from repeating it endlessly. The things Sal has been corrected on then continues to misrepresent is legion.
That would have been a reasonable way to represent her views Sal. You have asked for “sympathetic readings” many times in the past for your claims, yet it seems you are not able to extend that option to others.
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.”
Don’t bet on it, plenty of transgendered children live in a repressive households.
Non sexually would be a good way
Quote-mining a seventeen-year-old in order to smear a whole group of people is despicable, in my opinion.
Sadly I’m sure this is true. But it’s been demonstrated that experiencing something personally can induce empathy where previously there was none, so in some cases there’s hope. I’m reminded of this somewhat unbelievable turnabout: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/11/dick-cheney-defends-daughter-liz-in-gay-marriage-family-feud/
Man-hating is a bad thing. Why not humanism instead of feminism? Feminism only pretends to argue for equal rights, but it is veiled man hating.
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9197
You think that sort of feminism and transgenderism is right?
They are equal in rights but not in anatomy and physiology. An ovary is not the same as a testicle. Men on average are heavier than women. Men are over represented in terms of combat deaths. Are you eager to equalize the numbers of female combat deaths?
Do you have problems with the over abundance of male plumbers and roofers and female nurses? Is that the result of the conspiracies of the “patriarchy”?
Men are disproportionately represented in prisons. One report said there are 13 times more men than women in prison. If you take numbers as evidence of injustice, would you be happier if there are 50% females in prisons? Or do you think that is somewhat a result of biology?
Do you think the IQ distribution curves are identical for men and women are the same even assuming the average IQs of men and women are the same? That is can the AVERAGE be the same between men and women but the VARIANCE from the mean different? If the VARIANCE is greater in men, that explains why there are more male geniuses than females. But that isn’t politically correct science is it?
I reported what Skatje said. Rumraket agreed with it. Skatje said:
So you apparently agreed with Skatje, maybe all the Darwinists here. Does any Darwinist here disagree with that statement by Skatje? How about “Fair” Witness?
The context was that I was describing how a man died after he had relations with a horse. Then Skatje saw my blog post about the incident and said:
A man died from having relations with a horse and Skatje isn’t shocked by it? C’mon guys, you’re just taking her side of the argument because you don’t like me.
I’d think a wiser thing for her to say would have been:
But nooooo, I get demonized for reporting what she actually said in response to a man dying after having relations with horse that killed him:
And actually, what that man did can be considered abuse and cruelty to animals and forcible rape. Did she comment on that? Nooo, instead she said:
Sal,
Feminism is the advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. Do you disagree or agree with feminism?
It seems you disagree.
One day you will understand. Perhaps. But not for a long long time.
Likewise the overabundance of people of color in prison demonstrates that they are more likely to commit crime then whites. Right?
Fundamentally, yes. It’s the same reason we had girl and boy toys. Boys play with soldiers and girls play with pink nurses, right?
However, old man, such attitudes are changing.
You reported it in the same way Fox “news” reported about Benghazi.
Nobody has a problem with you quoting someone else. That’s kind of missing the entire point. But I’m not surprised that’s what you are fixated upon, I’d be putting some serious psychological avoidance tactics in at this point were I you.
Sal, how does your idea of nursing being a female role square with the fact most nurses were male at a particular point, as in that graphic?
http://nursection.com/male-nurse-jobs-education-duties-salary/
Here is the baseball bat patrol of Ever Green Students trying to “protect” the campus from white male privilege. Do they want to “protect” the campus from white jewish evolutionary biologists teaching the classes students enrolled in?
That’s white-hating feminazi-ism on full display. It would be intolerable for a bunch of white guys to wield baseball bats to drive out female a black teachers out of the class room, but it’s OK by these students to drive a white male jew from campus merely because he’s a white male jew.
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/evergreen-state-is-launching-a-masters-in-social-justice-program-with-guaranteed-jobs-for-graduates/
Whatever Sal, whatever.
Any evidence his religious affiliation is relevant? I don’t see any evidence to picture is actually college students reaction to the professor, any further link beyond heatstreet?
You seem to harbor some hate toward leftist garbage, is that a bad thing as well?
Can you supply a link the whole response without the ellipses ?
Tip of Sal’s iceberg is my guess
I think you’re still the major league A-hole who changed other people’s posts on both UD and your own blog, deleting their thoughts and adding words the posters never said without attribution to make it look like they agreed with you.
To this day that’s still one of the most despicable things I’ve ever seen a Creationist do. What do you think?
Once, when I embarrassed him at ARN, he changed his own post, and then made a big deal of how I’d gotten him wrong.
Salvador, if you want to be taken for a good guy these days, then you’ve got some confessing and some apologizing to do.
stcordova,
Seems more like, as a card carrying conservative, you find the actions of the left reprehensible. Surely the discipline of the individual concerned, and its relation to your own biological inclinations, are wholly immaterial?
1. Marxism and postmodernism are incompatible.
2. Hysterical paranoia is not a good substitute for sociological and economic analyses.
Sometimes hysterical paranoia is all you got
Amen.
Incompatibility doesn’t prevent creation of incoherent unions of thought. A case example of incoherent unions joining “intellectual” forces are sharia-loving Islamic terrorists being co-leaders of feminist women’s marches:
http://freedomoutpost.com/islamic-terrorist-and-womens-march-leader-rasmea-odeh-will-be-deported-lose-us-citizenship/
The baseball bat gestapo at Evergreen State aren’t exactly shining examples of systematic coherent intellect.
Not sure about them but no doubt about you. You auditioning for some kind of right wing media welfare position?
So why didn’t you use the gender neutral term ADULT instead of MAN? The Feminazis and pronoun gestapo might have issues with your sexist language.
Maybe they can file a complaint against you in the Montreal Human Rights commission for your sexist language.
Oh, that’s the other thing about the pronoun gestapo. If a man insists he be called a man, according to New York law a fine of $250,000 can be imposed for violations of that. Ironically, then, the law can be used to require sexist references. So much for coherent thinking.
stcordova,
Sal, we’re going to wait for you to pick your gender then you can tell us what pronoun you want 🙂
As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Odeh was associated with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is a secular Marxist group about as far from political Islamism as one can get.
They’re kids. Kids do dumb stuff. I was a student activist and did a lot of dumb stuff. The problem wasn’t my worldview, but that I had more passion than common sense.
It’s interesting that you don’t dispute your behaviour was unethical but rather focus on the words used to call you out on said behaviour.
They might, and then again they might have bigger problems. Problems like you, for example. Someone who won’t say if they believe in equality (hint: that means you don’t).
Yes, those pesky human rights. As noted, you seem to class some people as sub-humans and I’ve already asked you what color star they should wear to indicate that.
http://gothamist.com/2016/05/19/gender_pronouns_false_fine.php
Said the YEC.
http://www.harpersbazaar.co.uk/culture/culture-news/news/a42066/cambridge-university-bans-sexist-flair-brilliance-genius-words/
So “flair”, “brilliance”, and GENIUS are associated with men, therefore Lucy says we should stop using the words. Ok so how about the words “thug” and “prisoner” and “criminal” or “tyrant”, that’s associated probably associated with men more than women, how come they don’t suppress those words too? Not exactly a fair and balanced policy, imho.
Ok so this was really about what to tell students in giving them feedback, so what I said wasn’t exactly accurate as far as students, but is regarding general word usage.
Her man-hating is on display…
I see the ‘pizzagate’ gunman was sentenced today.
Humorous that he wasn’t any more gullible than a couple of the right-leaning nitwits that post here. Just has more balls than they have….
Not all men ,amigo.
Dunno, maybe the fact that professors rarely use those words in student evaluations which was the point Lucy was discussing
Is your hypothesis that men actually have it worse, that women monopolize most positions of power, that women restrict what a man’s doctor can tell him?
“Novelist Margaret Atwood writes that when she asked a male friend why men feel threatened by women, he answered, “They are afraid women will laugh at them.” When she asked a group of women why they feel threatened by men, they said, “We’re afraid of being killed.””
Why say it then? Just to keep in practice of saying inaccurate things?
Maybe not all men, but in your case I am sure she would make an exception
I fear for democracy
Nice article on the desire to understand consciousness:
http://nautil.us/issue/49/the-absurd/when-neurology-becomes-theology
Yes because men on average commit more violence. There are 13 times more men in jail than women.
But, there are 7 more male geniuses for ever 1 female genius, and maybe even more in the realm of super geniuses in specialized fields.
There is plenty of bad and sublime in the population of males. Just because there is plenty of bad in a population of men, does not justify all the feminazi man-hating and jealousy of men going around.
The fact that men commit more violence than women and the fact that there are 700% more male geniuses than women doesn’t justify trying to force men via quotas and affirmative action to stop holding positions of prominence in certain fields like physics and roof repair or fire fighting or being CEOs.
Feminazi’s have said this imbalance is due to a social construct of patriarchy and systematic discrimination. I’m for removing systematic discrimination, but that won’t necessarily remove the imbalances.
On a related note regarding imbalances of race, what happens when race is removed from considerations of college enrollment?
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21669595-asian-americans-are-united-states-most-successful-minority-they-are-complaining-ever
Asian families have a different culture that emphasizes academic achievement and tend to produce students and adults that tend to be a somewhat nerdy and studious rather than having the entrepreneurial spirit of some of their non-Asian counterparts that become CEOs. Their over-representation in Berkely and Cal Tech has nothing to do with systematic discrimination, imho. It is part of the culture of Asian immigrants to the USA to be studious.
I recall during my college years one young lady friends (half-asian) almost complaining that her fully Asian roommates did nothing but study. They didn’t seem to want to do anything else!
Citation please.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21568704-geniuses-are-getting-brighter-and-genius-levels-iq-girls-are-not-far
The link I have just provided seems to show that some unknown factor can greatly reduce the disparity.
On a side note, have you come out yet?
Yes, it’s true…