Noyau (1)

…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation

Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.

2,559 thoughts on “Noyau (1)”

  1. Mung:
    LoL. Shallit is getting it handed to him. You all want to be abused why don’t you just abuse each other?

    LOL! Sure he is Mung, just like ID has the evolutionary sciences on the run. 😀

    I hear the DI is looking for a new Propaganda Director since the attack gerbil abandoned ship. You’d be a natural.

  2. Adapa,

    Great idea! Mung has displayed no qualms about people expressing publicaly what they privately know is not true. That’s like 80% of the job right there.

  3. Richardthughes:
    Adapa,

    Great idea! Mung has displayed no qualms about people expressing publicaly what they privately know is not true. That’s like 80% of the job right there.

    Plus he thinks lying for Jesus is not only acceptable but desirable. It doesn’t make his moral compass twitch even a degree.

  4. Mung:
    LoL. Shallit is getting it handed to him. You all want to be abused why don’t you just abuse each other?

    You must be reading a different thread than the rest of us. But JS shouldn’t be given too much credit. He is debating a guy who claims that all mass shootings in the US are perpetrated by Democrats.

  6. keiths:
    Rich,

    Holy crap, that’s good. Can we get Egnor over here?

    “Blogger mregnor said…
    @Rich:

    It looks like a great website, where Darwinism/design issues are discussed intelligently. Thanks!

    Mike

    9:56 AM, January 03, 2016”

    Fingers crossed!

  7. Richardthughes: “Blogger mregnor said…
    @Rich:

    It looks like a great website, where Darwinism/design issues are discussed intelligently. Thanks!

    Mike

    9:56 AM, January 03, 2016”

    Fingers crossed!

    It should be fun. He will give Barry a run for the title of stupidest educated man in the US.

  8. Richardthughes,

    Egnor:

    It looks like a great website, where Darwinism/design issues are discussed intelligently.

    He’s in for a friggin’ disappointment then, isn’t he? 🙂

  9. Famous hedge and investment fund risk manager Nassim Taleb takes Stephen Pinker to task regarding the world becoming less violent.

    Taleb’s math is almost impenetrable, but he and his students have provided risk management to hundreds of billions of dollars if not trillions of dollars. Little of what Pinker has said has struck me as all that smart. Taleb is smart, he shows Pinker is a Ploppy.

    For instance, in the thesis by Steven Pinker [10] that the world is becoming less violent, we note a fallacious inference about the concentration ofdamage from wars from aq with minutely small population in relation to the fat-tailedness.
    Owing to the fat-tailedness of war casualties and consequences of violent conflicts, an adjustment would rapidly invalidate such claims that violence from war has statistically experienced a decline

    The website below by the way, looks interesting. It has a lot of relevance to finance, gambling theory, and worldviews.

    http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/longpeace.pdf

  11. stcordova: Taleb’s math is almost impenetrable, but he and his students have provided risk management to hundreds of billions of dollars if not trillions of dollars.

    How does Sal manage to take even the simplest points he wants to make, and screw them up so badly?

    “His math is almost impenetrable, but…” Sal doesn’t even know what the word but means.

  15. Taleb does echo my feelings on climate change and environmental conservation:

    Climate models and precautionary measures
    THE POLICY DEBATE
    with respect to anthropogenic climate-change typically revolves around the accu-
    racy of models. Those who contend that models make accurate predictions argue for specific policies to stem the foreseen damaging effects; those who doubt their
    accuracy cite a lack of reliable evidence of harm to warrant policy action.
    These two alternatives are not exhaustive. One can sidestep the “skepticism” of those who question existing climate-models, by framing risk in the most straight-
    forward possible terms, at the global scale. That is, we should ask “what would the correct policy be if we had no reliable models?”

    We have only one planet. This fact radically constrains the kinds of risks that are appropriate to take at a large scale. Even a risk with a very low probability becomes
    unacceptable when it affects all of us – there is no reversing mistakes of that magnitude.

    Without any precise models, we can still reason that polluting or altering our environment significantly could put us in uncharted territory, with no statistical track-record and potentially large consequences. It is at the
    core of both scientific decision making and ancestral wisdom to take seriously absence of evidence when the consequences of an action can be large. And it is
    standard textbook decision theory that a policy should depend at least as much on uncertainty concerning the adverse consequences as it does on the known effects.
    Further, it has been shown that in any system fraught with opacity, harm is in the dose rather than in the na-ture of the offending substance: it increases nonlinearly
    to the quantities at stake. Everything fragile has such property. While some amount of pollution is inevitable, high quantities of any pollutant put us at a rapidly
    increasing risk of destabilizing the climate, a system that is integral to the biosphere. Ergo, we should build down CO2 emissions, even regardless of what climate-models tell us.

    This leads to the following asymmetry in climate policy. The scale of the effect must be demonstrated to be large enough to have impact. Once this is shown, and
    it has been, the burden of proof of absence of harm is on those who would deny it.
    It is the degree of opacity and uncertainty in a system, as well as asymmetry in effect, rather than specific model predictions, that should drive the precautionary mea-sures. Push a complex system too far and it will not come
    back. The popular belief that uncertainty undermines the case for taking seriously the ’climate crisis’ that scientists tell us we face is the opposite of the truth.
    Properly understood, as driving the case for precaution, uncertainty radically
    underscores that case, and may even constitute it.

    Unfortunately most girls like having more than replacement number of kids. Even a 1% annual population growth rate over a several centuries will result in a global population of 1 trillion. The human race is screwed. No amount of smart cars and green energy will over come the population problem unless the population growth problem is arrested.

  16. stcordova,

    The paper that Sal is referencing just so happens to be inaccurate, full of unsupported strange assertions, and appears to have been written by an untrained seven year old with poor grammar, writing in a foreign language he just recently learned about.

    Its like the results of someone who was just given a long list of words, and symbols, and asked to please arrange these on a page randomly, to resemble a code that no one has the keys to unlock.

  18. phoodoo,

    You’re off by a decade:

    Readability Formula | Grade
    Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level |12.1
    Gunning-Fog Score |15.7
    Coleman-Liau Index |13.2
    SMOG Index |11.4
    Automated Readability Index |12.1
    Average Grade Level |12.9
    Text Statistics

    Character Count 2,248
    Syllable Count 757
    Word Count 457
    Sentence Count 22
    Characters per Word 4.9
    Syllables per Word 1.7
    Words per Sentence 20.8

    By comparison, your post:

    Readability Formula |Grade
    Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level | 16.8
    Gunning-Fog Score | 19.7
    Coleman-Liau Index | 10.3
    SMOG Index | 10.8
    Automated Readability Index | 19.7
    Average Grade Level | 15.5
    Text Statistics

    Character Count 359
    Syllable Count 114
    Word Count 81
    Sentence Count 2
    Characters per Word 4.4
    Syllables per Word 1.4
    Words per Sentence 40.5

  19. Nature has culled us before:

    True. But it would be nice if the human race wouldn’t have to face something so awful.

    There was a young lady a while back who told me with dreamy eyes the sort of family she wants to raise. She came from a big family and all her friends came from a big family. Our pastor has 11 kids (9 his own, 2 adopted). She said she wanted to have a family just as large our pastor’s. Yikes!

    That biological imperative is pretty strong. Persuading couples to have less kids seems less painful than suffering through pandemics (not that we really have control of pandemics).

  20. Alan Fox,

    People not remaining in one job forever is evidence of a theory in decline? Huh? What a weird interpretation.

    “I think Casey Luskin should never do anything else, that would really prove the theory!”

    Materialists are strange.

  21. phoodoo,

    True. They’ve got the next generation of leaders like you and Frankie. A golden age. Materialism doomed in 3…2…1….

  22. Richardthughes,

    How anyone possibly defeat you and Adapa? It would take way too much time to draw that many cartoons, and put in the Boston background music to keep your attention.

  23. phoodoo,

    Given your history (writing posts about articles, when you’ve only read the abstracts, for instance) I tried to go for a format that even kids can absorb. Whether the material will even be mentally withing reach for you, I’m not sure. But we’re not giving up on you!

  24. Richardthughes,

    Given your history, of being an admitted troll, whose job here is to tweak noses and obsess over Bary’s genitals, and who can’t even read abstracts, little yet comment on them, ..why do you think anything you write is even remotely in proximity to anything interesting?

    “Honey, come here quick, I need to find something that sounds insulting. Why do they put so many keys on the computer thingy. Can’t they just make a computer with pictures of monkeys giving the finger? DAMMIT! The dog just peed on me again! Wait I will be back, I have to go tweak his nose. Get over here, don’t you run from me…Honey get the hose!”

  30. [Guano’d post by poodoo copied and posted in Noyau by AF]Alan Fox,

    Your post is dumb. Let me tell you why:

    Because I asked if Richard’s posts were acceptable and you said yes. Thus your post is dumb. (Explanation provided)

    Now I see why you couldn’t follow the rules at UD.

  31. Alan Fox,

    Why are they guanoed. All I did was say your post is dumb, and then I explained why. I thought this was within the rules?

    You are having a change of heart Alan?

    Is this why you couldn’t follow the rules at UD?

    Its pretty annoying when someone makes vacuous posts all day long isn’t it Alan? You didn’t have a problem before when they weren’t directed at you however.

  32. Let Phoodoo keep going. He is ID, emotional not rational. Right now he’s upset because he didn’t understand basic probability and so people created humerous examples showing he was wrong. He was cocksure he was right to begin with but I think his rage is a product of realizing he was wrong.

    He still hopes for “TSZ is as bad a UD”, though. Perhaps he Mung and Frankie could make their case in a post?

  34. phoodoo: You admitted your role here is to be a troll.

    You’ve said this multiple times and I’ve asked you for support. You never provide it. Your nasty habit of being dishonest continues.

  35. Alan Fox:
    [Guano’d post by poodoo copied and posted in Noyau by AF]Alan Fox,

    Your post is dumb.Let me tell you why:

    Because I asked if Richard’s posts were acceptable and you said yes.Thus your post is dumb.(Explanation provided)

    Well, if I gave you that impression, I apologize. What Lizzie is trying to do here is encourage communication across divides of misunderstanding. That means avoiding rancour. I’ve been impressed with a couple of your political comments so I know you can do it.

    Now I see why you couldn’t follow the rules at UD.

    I don’t think I ever insulted anyone at UD in any of my comments. I might have been quite scathing about some of their arguments. I was able to comment at UD without modifying my normal posting style for long periods until some unexplained glitch prevented further comments. I don’t even know whether I was formally banned as nobody from UD has ever confirmed it. Emails to Barry Arrington have gone unanswered.

  36. Alan Fox,

    Alan, I just finished writing a post showing how you were continuing to allow posts from both Richard and Adapa and Robin, which were vacuous, and whose only purpose was to derail threads. You and Patrick’s only response back to me was that those types of posts were acceptable.

    So, if you didn’t care about these types of posts, why do you suddenly care now when I do the same thing back to you?

    I listed 4 examples of out of fifty that were just nonsense posts. Patrick said, well, those were fine! Now I posted the exact same essence of posts, and suddenly the moderation springs to life!

    So you need to look internally for the problem, not at me.

  37. phoodoo:
    Alan Fox,

    Why are they guanoed.

    Off-topic unsupported assertions become spam with repetition.

    All I did was say your post is dumb, and then I explained why. I thought this was within the rules?

    Let me repeat. Personal attacks of the type “You are a [insert pejorative]” or “stop being a [insert pejorative]” or “why are you such a [insert pejorative] (not exhaustive list) are clearly against the rules. “Your argument [insert summary or link] is [insert pejorative] because [insert reasons]” is not.

    You are having a change of heart Alan?

    I understand you are ploughing a lonely furrow here. I can’t help that ID is a busted flush.

    Is this why you couldn’t follow the rules at UD?

    See previous comment.

    Its pretty annoying when someone makes vacuous posts all day long isn’t it Alan? You didn’t have a problem before when they weren’t directed at you however.

    I’d like to see a better system where it was simpler for members to flag comments they deem inappropriate. Unfortunately this does not seem to exist as an “off-the-shelf” WordPress plugin.

  40. phoodoo:
    Alan Fox,

    Alan, I just finished writing a post showing how you were continuing to allow posts from both Richard and Adapa and Robin, which were vacuous, and whose only purpose was to derail threads.You and Patrick’s only response back to me was that those types of posts were acceptable.

    So, if you didn’t care about these types of posts, why do you suddenly care now when I do the same thing back to you?

    If you can’t figure out the difference between why my posts are acceptable (hint: I haven’t derailed anything) and why yours are not (hint: most of your “that was dumb” posts don’t actually address the posts at all and don’t add to the discussion in anyway), then it’s no wonder your comments keep ending up in guano. Heck, if I were a moderator here, I’d just default all your posts do guano and wait until you complained before I pulled selective ones out again. You have no interest in actually engaging in the type of discussion that Lizzie intended; you just want to display your butt-hurt over some supposed persecution of your religious motivations.

    So whatever Phoodoo…you want to be angry about being treated like a crap when you’re behaving like crap, have at it. It makes for a rather amusing example of ID’s inadequacies.

  42. Alan Fox: I apologize. What Lizzie is trying to do here is encourage communication across divides of misunderstanding. That means avoiding rancour.

    So that’s why she allows all the insults!

  43. Alan Fox: Off-topic unsupported assertions become spam with repetition.

    You have to pose them as questions Phoodoo, then they are not spam. The preference is for exactly three questions, no more and no less.

  46. Mung:
    How do you expect me to add anything to what is in effect a black hole?

    If there’s nothing here either to add to, or to subtract from, why so many posts?

  47. Mung I think could contribute positively. Phoodoo / FrankenJoe need to start somewhere simpler / grasp the basics.

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