Noyau (2)

…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation

Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.

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  1. Mung: you have a point. I don’t think I’d ever vote for keiths.

    Exactly, why would you trust him to do what he says?

  3. William J. Murray: What law are you talking about?

    Amongst others, the acting Attorney-General at the time believed Flynn may have broken the Logan Act.
    You really need to get out more.

  4. William J. Murray: Not working for whom? I realize he’s not working out for you and yours, but so far he’s working out GREAT for everyone who voted for him.

    Trump is the best evidence for subjective morality I can think of.

  7. newton: When the personalities affect the ability to obtain the results?

    That has yet to be determined. What is fact on the ground is that Trump is far exceeding my expectations and apparently the expectations of many if not most of those that voted for him, seeing as his popularity is rising.

    I expected there to be quite a bit of drama and problems going in – I actually expected a lot worse than we’ve seen so far. I expect it to get a lot worse. A LOT. As we go forward. I expect there to be a lot more firings and bureaucratic throughput as Trump and his team sort out whom they can trust and who is actively acting to sabotage his agenda.

    You think Flynn is going to be as serious as it gets? Flynn ain’t shit compared to the attempt at a power coup the 9th circuit just invoked. And just wait until Trump fires Priebus. The shit’s really going to be flying then. The corrupt marxist/fascist establishment is being laid bare for all to see.

    You really don’t have any idea what Trump is doing, do you? You guys are working off the same playbook that got Trump elected in the first place. You have no idea what’s coming or what Trump’s end-game is.

    Or maybe you do. Maybe you’re just another pizza-loving globalist troll trying to talk your way out of the populist/nationalist uprising.

  8. Alan Fox: Nor whether these personalities possess any integrity?

    Given all I know of any person in public life is filtered through the lens of biased media characterization (on both sides), I don’t feel like I’m in a position to meaningfully judge such things about any such person. All I can judge is their actions and whether or not they are in line with their stated policy platform.

    Flynn was appointed to highly sensitive positions by Obama.- deputy director of national intelligence, and later director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. I guess Obama would have had to have actually met with Flynn in order to gauge his “integrity”, but never did. Not once. Makes you wonder, if Flynn lacked integrity,why didn’t Obama find that out and fire him? Hmmm.

    Here we are only a few days into Trump’s administration and even though the information came to him via an acting attorney he fired, and even though the WH Counsel cleared Flynn of any legal wrongdoing, he fired Flynn because Flynn gave the VP an incomplete review of his phone calls.

    Now, Trump had no obligation to fire Flynn or “accept his resignation” – Flynn was cleared of having violated the Logan Act. Given Trump’s invulnerability to being pressured by the press or political opponents on display throughout the election, do you think he was “pressured” into firing Flynn? Do you not think Trump would have loved to stick his thumb in the eye of the press and the Democrats calling for Flynn’s scalp? He would have eaten that up like candy. That’s what Trump loves to do – infuriate the press and his political opponents.

    So, given all this, why do you think Trump fired Flynn?

  9. William J. Murray,

    You really don’t have any idea what Trump is doing, do you? […] You have no idea what’s coming or what Trump’s end-game is.

    Care to enlighten us – assuming you do?

  10. Allan Miller:
    William J. Murray,

    Care to enlighten us – assuming you do?

    It’s not like Trump insiders haven’t been published. Along with reading what antagonists and anti-Trumpers write, you might spend some time reading what insiders and pro-Trumpers write. There’s a reason Trump got elected. If you want to think that it’s because millions of dumbass racists and misogynists and xenophobes were exercising the “last gasp of white male privilege” like KN says, you might also question why Democrats have been losing governorships and state legislatures ever for 8 years.

    Some of my family and friend often parrot the same thing – that they are sick of the establishment power structure. Here we have a guy who the establishment was entirely united in trying to stop the Dems and the Reps, all of wall street, the banks and the corporate media were ALL rabidly trying to stop Trump, yet these same people dismiss Trump based on not much more than how that establishment characterizes the guy they are trying to stop.

    Unless you think like some that all that was a big con job, you might ask yourself why the entire global multinational power and money system was out to stop Trump by virtually any means necessary, and are still now working doubletime to harass and undermine him.

    I mean, if you’re not just a globalist, pizza-eating troll.

  12. William J. Murray,

    Avoiding actually stating a position. The answer’s over there! Do your research! Trump has an end-game, but a lengthy post not saying what it is will have to suffice – just in case history determines that he wasn’t actually the canniest operator … like … ever, as you seem to be insinuating.

  13. William J. Murray: newton: When the personalities affect the ability to obtain the results?

    That has yet to be determined. What is fact on the ground is that Trump is far exceeding my expectations and apparently the expectations of many if not most of those that voted for him, seeing as his popularity is rising.

    If your expectations were for his national security advisor to be fired and under investigation, that there would indications his campaign was in constant contact with a foreign country accused of interferring with the election.

    But probably you might mean appointing the same people who almost wrecked the economy to run the Treasury.

    I expected there to be quite a bit of drama and problems going in – I actually expected a lot worse than we’ve seen so far. I expect it to get a lot worse. A LOT. As we go forward. I expect there to be a lot more firings and bureaucratic throughput as Trump and his team sort out whom they can trust and who is actively acting to sabotage his agenda.

    Not sure if Trump can fire the Constitution but so far the Trump himself and people he hired are actively acting to sabotage his agenda most effectively . His claim of competency is looking a lot like everything else Trump claims.

    You think Flynn is going to be as serious as it gets? Flynn ain’t shit compared to the attempt at a power coup the 9th circuit just invoked. And just wait until Trump fires Priebus. The shit’s really going to be flying then. The corrupt marxist/fascist establishment is being laid bare for all to see.

    Don’t get so hysterical William ,so far Trump has met all your expectations. It sounds like you are starting to make excuses.

    If Flynn or Manafort roll over things could get more serious. Of course not for those who don’t care if a foreign country is undermining our election as long as they get a chance to stick it to their bête noire

    You really don’t have any idea what Trump is doing, do you?

    Condoning a public lie by his national security advisor, trying to bully a company for his family’s financial gain, exposing his and his party’s hypocrisy.

    You guys are working off the same playbook that got Trump elected in the first place. You have no idea what’s coming or what Trump’s end-game is.

    William ,don’t get so emotional. There is no playbook, people genuinely think Trump is not Presidental material, he should have stuck what he was good at. Being a rich ,horny blowhard.

    But please tell me ,does democracy survive in Trump’s end game?

    Or maybe you do. Maybe you’re just another pizza-loving globalist troll trying to talk your way out of the populist/nationalist uprising.

    I do love pizza, there is a place in Conneaut Ohio called called Pizzi’s . Mama’s Special .Yum.

    Oh ,that was an emotional appeal, I concede that nationalists American and Russian support Trump, as for the other ,nothing says populism like a born rich billionaire germaphobe who appoints billionaires to his cabinet as a friend to the working man. I doubt they will be too happy when Trumps screws them for personal gain.

  14. William J. Murray: So, given all this, why do you think Trump fired Flynn?

    I thought I read reports that he resigned. Did Trump fire him? Where’s the video with the finger and the catch-phrase? There’s got to be an earning opportunity there for the Trump brand.

  18. William J. Murray:
    Here we are only a few days into Trump’s administration and even though the information came to him via an acting attorney he fired,

    Acting attorney general and senior national security official at Justice who learned it from an FBI investigation

    and even though the WH Counsel cleared Flynn of any legal wrongdoing, he fired Flynn because Flynn gave the VP an incomplete review of his phone calls.

    It took about sixteen days, which makes one wonder why now?

    Now, Trump had no obligation to fire Flynn or “accept his resignation” – Flynn was cleared of having violated the Logan Act.

    Sorry, the advice of the Presidential attorney said he had not violated the Logan Act, a court would be required to clear him.

    Given Trump’s invulnerability to being pressured by the press or political opponents on display throughout the election, do you think he was “pressured” into firing Flynn?

    The pressures brought to bear on a candidate are not the same as on a President

    Do you not think Trump would have loved to stick his thumb in the eye of the press and the Democrats calling for Flynn’s scalp? He would have eaten that up like candy. That’s what Trump loves to do – infuriate the press and his political opponents.

    Like the Trump University lawsuit? Kicking Flynn off the lifeboat alllows the call, as evidenced by some in Congress ,to move on. No investigation is needed.

    So, given all this, why do you think Trump fired Flynn?

    It benefitted Trump to throw Flynn overboard at this time,

  20. William:So, given all this, why do you think Trump fired Flynn?

    From The NY Times those lying bastards.

    “But other aides privately said that Mr. Trump, while annoyed at Mr. Flynn, might not have pushed him out had the situation not attracted such attention from the news media. Instead, according to three people close to Mr. Trump, the president made the decision to cast aside Mr. Flynn in a flash, the catalyst being a news alert of a coming article about the matter”

    It looks like the the myth of invulnerability of Trump is laid to rest.

    By the way, Flynn was interviewed by the FBI, good thing he has a buddy of Trump in the justice department else the Logan Act might not be the only legal jeopardy.

    All good populists make sure their cronies are protected.

  26. William J. Murray:
    The New York times?Good grief. You guys really have no idea what is going on.

    I had no illusions that anything not on Fox would convince you of anything, in fact my guess is if Trump said that was his reason you would be unperturbed and claim this was no big deal.

    Trump has known about this since January , he let Pence go on TV and tell a lie , deny ,deny deny, Flynn is still advising Trump as of last weekend, the Times releases the story about the campaign talking to the Russians, and Flynn is out , Manafort gives a non denial denial, and Trump goes off on the intelligence branch again.

    My answer fits the facts, if you have a better explanation please share. Preferably with rational response since you have chastised others for emotionalism

  28. OMagain:
    Where can we find out what is really going on then William?

    Go ahead and keep believing what your old sources say. How’d that work out for you wrt the election?

  30. William,

    Go ahead and keep believing what your old sources say. How’d that work out for you wrt the election?

    Afraid to say? I wonder why.

  31. newton: You alluded to it twice on this thread.

    “Alluding to” is not the same as “telling someone about”. Telling people about it once is enough, although one might wonder why a post that didn’t break any rules was censored at the skeptical zone – I mean, I understand why Mr. Arrington censored it- it’s his site and he allows or disallows posts as he pleases. Fair enough.

    But, the skeptical zone is supposed to be all about non-censorship and fall back only on a bare minimum of rules – yet the post was censored. Don’t you find that odd?

  33. OMagain:
    William,

    Afraid to say? I wonder why.

    I’d just as soon your side stay as clueless as they were when the election results came in after all your sources predicted an enormous landslide win for Hillary. If you want to educate yourself, you can work google like anyone else.

    When your information sources get something that big that wrong for that long, and when your information is leading your side to an erosion of national, state and local political power (in state and federal legislatures), a common sense question to ask is whether or not your information is accurate and reliable.

  35. newton: I had no illusions that anything not on Foxwould convince you of anything, in fact my guess is if Trump said that was his reason you would be unperturbed and claim this was no big deal.

    Trump has known about this since January , he let Pence go on TV and tell a lie , deny ,deny deny, Flynn is still advising Trump as of last weekend, the Times releases the story about the campaign talking to the Russians, and Flynn is out , Manafortgives a non denial denial, and Trump goes off on the intelligence branch again.

    My answer fits the facts, if you have a better explanation please share. Preferably with rational response since you have chastised others for emotionalism

    Oh good grief. You’re so clueless. Fox is every bit as bad as the NYT. Nothing that is really going on is being reported by any major media sources.

  36. William J. Murray: When your information sources get something that big that wrong for that long, and when your information is leading your side to an erosion of national, state and local political power (in state and federal legislatures), a common sense question to ask is whether or not your information is accurate and reliable.

    Or you can write three books.

  37. William J. Murray: Go ahead and keep believing what your old sources say.How’d that work out for you wrt the election?

    Help a brother out, what are these new honest sources? Trump? Infowars? Breitbart?

  38. William J. Murray: Oh good grief. You’re so clueless. Fox is every bit as bad as the NYT. Nothing that is really going on is being reported by any major media sources.

    Weird,so far you have hit the standard Fox News talking points, Just one real news source.Please

  39. William J. Murray: Alluding to” is not the same as “telling someone about”. Telling people about it once is enough, although one might wonder why a post that didn’t break any rules was censored at the skeptical zone – I mean, I understand why Mr. Arrington censored it- it’s his site and he allows or disallows posts as he pleases. Fair enough.

    Fair enough, though I didn’t say it was the same. I just stated a fact. Was it inaccurate?

  40. William J. Murray: Trump has known about this since January , he let Pence go on TV and tell a lie , deny ,deny deny, Flynn is still advising Trump as of last weekend, the Times releases the story about the campaign talking to the Russians, and Flynn is out , Manafortgives a non denial denial, and Trump goes off on the intelligence branch again.

    So what do your sources say?

  41. William J. Murray: Oh good grief. You’re so clueless. Fox is every bit as bad as the NYT. Nothing that is really going on is being reported by any major media sources.

    INFOWARS.COM

  42. William J. Murray,

    Oh good grief. You’re so clueless. Fox is every bit as bad as the NYT. Nothing that is really going on is being reported by any major media sources.

    Ah, do I detect the faint whiff of conspiracy? Wake up, sheeple!

  43. Mung,

    Me being original, now that would be original! I stole it.

    I know – from me! I’m going to have to abandon subtlety.

  44. Mung,

    At least us nutjobs will have guns.

    It’s an inalienable right. One that can even be exercised by aliens …

  45. William J. Murray gets spanked by LackofFocus:

    “I don’t know if DD and rvb8 are aware of this and are pushing the narrative like good trolls, or if they are simply useful idiots parroting the vapid, easily refuted [SNIP — vulgar reference drawn to my attention by DD — KF Feb 16, 4:26 AN EC Time] they have been indoctrinated with.”

  47. Mung: Looks like this site could learn a few things from KF.

    Pompous sermonizing and the production of indecipherable screeds?

  48. Mung,

    Looks like this site could learn a few things from KF.

    Yeah, we’re really short of the same few phrases being trotted out ad infinitum.

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