…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation
Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.
[to work around page bug]
2,941 thoughts on “Noyau (2)”
Leave a Reply
You must be logged in to post a comment.
The Skeptical Zone
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken."
Well, evolutionarily speaking, an organism learns from its mistake or it’s toast. On the other hand evolving a tough hide is a workable strategy for a population.
keiths:
Alan:
No, you don’t. Witness your indignation at my “chutzpah” for daring to challenge Joe Felsenstein on a particular point.
Wrong ideas. But if someone’s ego gets bruised along the way, them’s the breaks. This is The Skeptical Zone, not The Mollycoddling Zone.
LMFAO, what a helpless retard
He’s a Dunning-Kruger poster child.
First, it appears under the current policy I am allowed to quote and respond to guano comments:
Responding to a series of comments about me in Guano:
I’m not a star right now. Didn’t you read this about me:
But along those lines, I’ve had aspirations lately of becoming another Eric Hovind:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_Hovind
In response to Tom English:
Awh shuck Tom, what a nice thing to say.
Regrettably I wasn’t a formal part of the team, at least not yet, but they know who I am and we’ve interacted, and my Blackjack friends have encountered them in the casino.
I don’t see why the Holy Rollers should be considered deplorably flexible in their morals, maybe just creative in interpretation of ethical conduct. 🙂
Casino’s are organized to lure and then plunder and pillage their patrons. The casinos, in other words are designed to screw people over. There is an old proverb that I think applies to the Holy Rollers who did unto the casinos what the casinos tried to do unto them: “screw onto others as they would screw onto you.” (I read it in a book describing the thoughts of a sniper killing the opposing sniper).
So I view the Holy Rollers as bashing the bad guys in the community and turning the tables on them. Bwahaha!
But here is one of my favorite Holy Rollers, the Reverend Catholic Father Fahey:
What I did, what the Holy Rollers did, what Thorp and Shannon did, and Father Fahey did to those dastardly casinos was an honorable thing. Praise be!
Tom Mueller said:
I never promised my professors would adjudicate. You’re not telling the truth Tom.
He really is unbelievably stupid. Literally, it is hard to believe it is possible for him to actually be that intensely subnormally intelligent.
Perhaps not, but you strongly implied that what you present here is what your professors are teaching. We merely think that is bullshit. If you are impugning the intelligence of teachers, we have a right to ask you to demonstrate that they are as clueless as you portray them.
petrushka,
He went well beyond mere implication, and actually paraphrased a conversation he claimed to have had with one of his teachers.
I’ve said it many times before. Even OMagain can tell you. I’m preparing teaching materials for creationists students junior high through graduate school, especially science disciplines.
I have good enough math background, nominal physics background, computer and engineering background, no geology and only a little grad school in biology. I won’t get the best arguments by just rehashing what’s in existing websites and books. It take those arguments and test them out here and get editorial corrections and citation corrections.
I can also tell by your guys silence and evasions when I have a good argument.
But the fundamental reason I’m doing this is I think evolutionary theory is wrong, and the truth should be told.
Sal,
While you might be preparing teaching materials for creationist students (the poor dears), I am quite confident that that is NOT your motivation for posting here. Your “I’m just honing the best arguments to develop a curriculum” storyline does not hold water, for the following reason.
Although you are nothing like as smart as you think you are, you are smart enough to know that you lie here, and deliberately misrepresent what others have written. If you were truly here to hone your best arguments, you would not indulge in such self-aggrandizing, but ultimately self-defeating, behavior.
You are here to stroke your fragile ego. THIS is the arena in which you want to “win”.
My role is to keep you from procreating.
😉
Why? Creationists aren’t interested in actual science. Neither are you — you just want to sound sciency while proselytizing to people too young and uninformed to question you.
You, Sal Cordova, are a child abuser. No one should allow you near children.
Liar.
You do Elizabeth proud Patrick.
Merely an observation. Feel free to present a counter example of a creationist interested in science for its own sake rather than as a means of (typically dishonestly) shoring up his or her ridiculous claims.
Patrick, you’ve never been the brightest bulb here at TSZ. Why must science be for its own sake? Is that the way science is always done?
Typical Mungian attempt at diverting from the topic. Creationists aren’t interested in science except where they can use the terminology to incorrectly and often dishonestly give the impression of providing support for their anti-science beliefs. Provide a counterexample if you think I’m wrong.
Science for its own sake translates to a search for lowercase truth, how things work.
Some people find that interesting.
Behind each and every medical breakthrough are countless discoveries made by people who were just curious about how things work.
So Patrick admits that science doesn’t work that way. But he wants me to accept his false premise. Not going to happen.
So it’s neither true nor false. Got it.
An observation of reality. A fact. You should familiarize yourself with the concept.
Patrick the Moralist.
The beliefs of others are objectively morally wrong. Not their actions, their beliefs.
Patrick as Libertarian is a fiction.
Objective Libertarian Moral Values. Such as?
There is no commandment that states that atheists must be liars.
I’ll comment here.
My take is that Sal is very much aware of the evidence, and that it is against YEC.
What I see Sal doing, is trying hard to convince himself that the evidence supports YEC. And he is using us as informal peer reviewers, to comment on the weaknesses of the case that he is trying to make.
I’ll give it a fail. Sal has not convinced himself. That’s why he keeps trying.
Heh, how long did it take to convince yourself that was what was happening?
I don’t recall mentioning any such things, but don’t let that interrupt your ranting.
Well, I didn’t want to go so far as saying “unbelievable” as that would be tantamount to accusing Sal of dishonesty. I can’t deny the possibility that Sal really believes that the evidence from cosmology, geology, palaeontology etc supports a young Earth or “young life”.
Based on the DI funding numbers provided by Tom English and others, my hypothesis is that Sal is just trying to get on that gravy train. If he can write a sciency sounding book and get on the circuit to talk about how he used to be fallen from grace but followed the evidence to Jesus, that’s a pretty easy living. If you can shave without looking at yourself in a mirror.
I remember reading some speculation, probably at AtBC, that Sal was angling for the attack gerbil position vacated by Casey Luskin.
It’s an amusing thought.
Sal, what are you doing for a living these days?
There’s the Pascal’s wager bit. My parents did not preach and did not demand religious orthodoxy, but I grew up in a world in which everyone had to be a believer.
You were allowed to attend the church or whatever of your choice, and you were allowed to doubt the inerrancy of the bible. If you were an academic, you were even allowed to be a Unitarian.
But being an atheist was not an option. That would excommunicate you not from church, but from friends, family, society.
I wonder sometimes if some of our ID friends are not in that situation, and are desperately trying to find some intellectually respectable way to remain within their community.
He won’t get a reference from Barry Arrington, though, to help his career plans.
Sal may be just trying to sell something to the gullible through churches and other religious connections. Maybe a book, but maybe more than just a book. Isn’t he marketing himself as an investment guru or some such thing?
I’m not saying he doesn’t believe it all, as he seems never to have gotten past the stage of wishful thinking. YEC is dumb, of course, but so is OEC and ID. However, the fact (if true) that he believes what he says does not make him at all more trustworthy, as it seems instead to give him license to ignore anything that refutes his hogslop, and to take silence at his breathtaking idiocies to be confirmation that he is correct. More importantly, he at least may know better than to believe that silence at his inanity is confirmation (his own inability to tackle evidence straightforwardly is legend, although self-recognition isn’t a strong suit of his either), and is claiming victory when he’s gotten too stupid and repetitious for even the most tenacious to address, for the sake of “the faithful”–some of whom may be reading here, but more of whom that can be directed to here to see his fight with the devil.
He’s of course being mistreated here, by being called on his evasions and general dishonesty, so there’s the martyrdom angle. And he’s gone into the den of iniquity and shone his brilliant intellect, wiping the floor with experts–if you’re a wishfully thinking rube who swallows nonsense as a matter of course. So yeah, I think he’s selling something, I just hope it’s the more usual scam (a book filled with lies), and not some greater and more illegal scam. His moral compass seems to be broken (if he had one), probably in part by the hopeful dishonesty of ID, so I have no high hopes that he’d be honest financially with anybody, either.
I hope we don’t see him on American Greed one day, after having fleeced millions from gullible creationists. But if we do, he’ll be whining about how he’s been persecuted.
Glen Davidson
Manage a small privately held investment fund grown from relatives and friends and acquaintances. That means a lot of the details are private. You will not find any public website advertising the fund as that would violate SEC rules. Privately held deals that aren’t actively marketed in public are sanctioned under the law.
It pays the bills. I own a house, mortgage paid off. Own 3 cars, no car payments. I gave a sample trade right here that accords with my investment theory just to show off. 🙂
If the market is a random walk, much like shuffled cards give a random walk, there is still expected value to be gleaned if one knows how to leverage arbitrage. I don’t try to predict market direction, I try to play the arbitrage odds. Making money on random walks is how casinos, casino sharks, and arbitrage houses make money. The law of large numbers is a central consideration. Hence you see reference to it many times from me…There is risk, but hey, what business endeavor doesn’t have risks?
The math is very similar to gambling math, and having physics and math degrees doesn’t hurt, in fact a lot of investment houses want guys with math and physics backgrounds. Emmanuel Derman and Fischer Black are classic examples. Even though my study of Einstein’s theory of General Relativity, statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, cosmology, astrophysics, quantum mechanics, classical mechanics isn’t directly applicable to investment, they made me comfortable using math. Quantum mechanics is heavily invested in the idea of expected value. I’ve used expected value notions in my ID and investment and casino arguments, and for that matter Pascal’s Wager.
The case for some parts of YEC are good some very bad. I’ve said what I think is bad, and I’ve said what I think is good. I’ve criticized CSI and 2nd law ID arguments, but I think the framework of expected values and gambling math is the way to go. It is above reproach, and you guys haven’t been able to take it apart. I hung Nick Matzke out to dry with it. It’s simple, straightforward understandable — contrast with Kairos Turbo Encabulator.
I also get some money for preparing research like was reflected by the AM-NAT 2016 paper and I get paid to go to the NIH conferences and classes. Don’t know how long I can keep that up, but it was a nice generous bonus.
I will be making presentations to audiences that will include the big name ID authors as a lot of them are not at all knowledgeable in the Chromatin Epigenome or the details of ENCODE, and few even know about the NIH RoadmapEpigenomics project. That’s half a billion dollar treasure trove of ID arguments sitting on the shelf.
I’ve been asked to prepare reports and deliver presentations to the ID intelligencia, many of whom are just computer types. So now you know why I likened the chromatin epigenome to RAM and pointed out there are about as many epigenomes in the human body as there are cells — maybe 10^21 bits of collective chemical information. Powerful awe inspiring wowing stuff!
The guys loved the pictures of man made RAM along with God-Made chromatin ram and that beads on a string architecture. Chromatin isn’t a fuzzy concept (contrary to DNA_joke’s retarded assertions), it’s a physical organelle that is so dynamic the exact list of parts and states change, it is only fuzzy in that sense. But you can see photos of chromatin yourself. It’s not a concept, it is a physical entity.
So I got some nice vetting here at TSZ. I learned your guys play book, and you cleaned up a few things like about that X-inactivation inheritance, provided editorial improvements just like I said. Maybe a few phylogeneticists like John Harshman actually learned a few things about Histone readers, writers and erasers. I was the first to introduce the term Epitranscriptomics to TSZ. Few IDists know about Epitranscriptomics. There is a 205 million dollar NIH research project in the planning stages for Epitranscriptomics. The C-Value paradox is potentially solvable by understanding of the epigenome, epitranscriptome, epiproteome….so many nay-sayers here at TSZ who implicitly think 82 megabytes of information is sufficient to make a human. Absurdity!
The ENCODE and RoadmapEpigenomics projects are hated by Dan Graur and friends. It was practically a road sign of where IDists should take their next set of arguments. After all Graur himself said, “If ENCODE is right, evolution is wrong.” ENCODE will likely win, the NIH is betting half a billion on the chromatin epigenome, and so are the pharma companies, in the multi-billiions. Graur is going to be hung out to dry in a decade. He and Moran will be the butt of jokes and it won’t be just creationists gloating but a lot of medical researchers whom Graur called “crooks, ignoramuses generating piles of excrement in the service of the evolution-free gospel of ENCODE.”
A big name ID author has tentatively agreed to be a co-author of several books directed at the Ratio Christi and homeschool crowd.
Beyond that, please do not post anything about my personal life publicly here at TSZ. I’m releasing this info as it will be coming out anyway after the first books in a line of books projected to be published.
The AM-NAT 2016 conference is now leading to an AM-NAT conference on biology and then another on finance and economics. Right down my alley.
I’ve tried to frame the ID argument away from information theory and more toward the gambling and investment math. I laid it out in my AM-NAT 2016 paper.
I have a lot of fun at TSZ. I get a high seeing some of you guys blow gaskets at what I say. Really, nothing personal against you guys. I’d be just as happy, maybe moreso if you said, “Sal is a genius” but I’ll settle for psychopath and amoral charlatan if that’s all the attention I can get here from my anti-fan club. 🙂
stcordova,
I bet they did.
I suspect that some people react so vehemently when they discover how they have been tricked by plausible charlatans with an agenda that ultimately it’s self defeating. For every 100 kids who are reassured that their belief is supported by actual science by molecular robots or pictures designed to provide unwitting support for ID, some number are created that will ultimately fight against such, taking many more out with him ultimately then were convinced by the person that convinced them.
That’s what I like to think anyway.
OMagain,
I’m not so optimistic. I don’t see anything that goes on here as making much of a difference, and I think, with Brexit, fundamentalism and the rise of Trump, that we are seeing an increase in the amount of dumb in the world. Or maybe the internet is its natural home.
If our argumentatin’ merely makes the opponents stronger or craftier (“bwahahaha”, I hear faintly), so be it. It’s a leisure activity, a click away from a song I’m learning or something I’m doing for work.
I have to confess that The Flood is just low hanging fruit. ‘Eat Me’.
Liar. Either that or your gobsmackingly ignorant. Or both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell
Context matters, Mung. My statement is accurate about existing creationists who attempt to argue against modern science.
Title at UD: Theistic evolution: All evolution, no real theism
As opposed to what, I wonder.
Just what “alternative” might be theistic?
Glen Davidson
Then it’s tautological.
Not at all. It is logically possible for honest, open minded creationists to exist. We just never see any. Odd, that.
It’s also logically possible that you have never uttered a statement that is false. It’s also logically possible that you have never uttered a statement that is true.
Patrick is a Jew-Hater. He also hates Christians. Does he hate gays?
Please invite NewMung to take over for a while. OldMung is making Sal Cordova look like a decent human being by comparison.
Patrick,
Some of us do seem to have lost our way, lately. 😕
I’m feeling a lot of hate in your posts, mung.
After that comment, I hate to admit that Joe/Frankie/Virgil would be preferable to Mung.
But what do I know? My morality is subjective.
Patrick, you call the God of the Old Testament “the Christian God.” You are, apparently, totally incognizant of how insulting your comment might be to other faiths.
Or you just don’t care.