Please use this thread for (and only for) alerting admins to moderation issues and for raising complaints arising from particular decisions. We remind participants that TSZ is a benign dictatorship, the property of Dr. Elizabeth Liddle. All decisions regarding policy and implementation are hers alone.
No, I am not saying that.
phoodoo,
Agreed, but I’m trying to determine where Jock stands on this.
Jock:
What are you saying, then?
A reminder of what the question was:
Neil, Jock, Alan —
What reason can you offer to explain why you are not immediately restoring Mung’s moderator privileges? Be specific.
Hang on a second. Every time I send an OP, I have to go to this thread & ask permission. Yet 96 “New Authors” here don’t need to ask, they can just post immediately? Does that mean I’m not a “New Author”, but a mere lowly untrusted “Contributor”? I’m stuck in the default for “new members” by this genius & generous trio of agnostic/atheist Admins? LOL = P
Gregory,
That’s right.
Yep. So are Mung and I, unless his demotion has been reversed.
keiths,
Don’t be naive, keiths!
No matter who runs the show at TSZ, it will never be just…Someone like you should have realized it by now…
We are all biased, but not all of us can be right… there can’t be more than one truth…
If we were all on the same page, who would need TSZ?
Would you? 😉
keiths,
Ah, yes, justice at TSZ! = P
He covered that with Gregory near the top of this page. Might be helpful to clear it up.
Now this will blow your mind even more , moderation is preformed by an admin , moderator is not even position. He quit a job that does not exist.
Which is why I suggest a level playing field of everyone a contributor. The converse, everyone as new author, would be too risky.
The reason I have already given several times since suspending Mung’s admin permissions: there was an ongoing discussion and that needs to be resolved. I am not going to predict the outcome but Mung knows how to contact me.
I will acknowledge that an aggravating factor was initially waiting for a response from Lizzie which never came.
DNA_Jock and Neil of course speak for themselves.
Let’s recall what happened exactly:
Mung gave me the Authors rights back because he saw no need for me to wait to have my OPs published. But the holy-darwinian-trinity saw it as a threat to their worldview due to OPs like this one.
Help Dr. Lenski to Design Real LTEE
Posted on March 21, 2019 by J-Mac
[Admin edit: This thread is, with the agreement of the thread author, a rule-free thread.]
They needed to make sure that appropriate censorship is applied so as the one piece of their machinery of selling lies could safely continue…
The Admin edit note at the outset of my OP broke all the rules and principles that the owner of TSZ assured would never take place. I love it though, because it proves at least one very important principle:
The admins, and those who support their censorship, are not worthy of any meaningful discussions. Why waste time on someone who openly proclaims confirmation bias , or that he/she/them will only accept truth, as they would like it to be… Why engage someone in a conversation who would rather lie to himself, and deceive others, than be open minded?
If there is God, those close minded people self-serve justice.
Here is just one example :
They refuse to accept even the slightest possibility of the existence of a “magical being” in the sky with creative powers, and yet, they have no problem assigning the same magical creative powers to the bolt of lightning. They just substitute one faith for another.
Who needs any further proof what the admins, and their supporters, are all about?
You asked a question:
And I answered your question thus:
I suspect you meant to ask a different question, but since I also suspected that you were asking for rhetorical effect, rather than honestly seeking information (the ground having been covered previously), I chose to answer the (poorly formed) question that you had asked.
Don’t be a prick, Jock.
You know perfectly well what I’m asking, and it isn’t for rhetorical effect.
Alan,
What was the “ongoing discussion” about?
Lizzie appointed Mung. Lizzie did not remove him. That by itself tells you that Mung should be reinstated as moderator (and shouldn’t have been ousted in the first place).
keiths I have indulged you enough. Going over the same ground is not going to change anything. So, I won’t be responding to you further on this.
Alan,
You haven’t answered this question…
Nope, keiths. Sadly, I do not possess the awesome mind-reading powers that you think you possess.
I answered the question that you asked. If you meant to ask a different question, that’s your fault.
Don’t play dumb, Jock. You know what I’m asking. Even Alan got it.
OP in pending queue.
Nope, keiths. Like I told you, I do not possess the awesome mind-reading powers that you think you possess.
Alan answered the question that you asked; I answered the question that you asked. If you meant to ask a different question, then you might want to admit your mistake and re-phrase.
Or you could continue with the mindless insults. Your choice.
I’m not going to rephrase when you already know perfectly well what I was asking.
I will note, however, that you and Alan are going to great lengths to avoid answering simple questions. Why the evasiveness? Is there something that you’d rather keep hidden?
keiths,
Stop it keiths! I beg you.
Don’t be a moron!
Lizzy doesn’t care about TSZ anymore, so we are stuck the hollow-trinity, like it of not…
J-Mac,
This isn’t about getting rid of the “hollow trinity”. It’s about reversing the illegitimate ouster of Mung.
It won’t happen! Get it?
I’ve already written why…
Don’t waste your energy! It weakens your immune system…
I’m only willing to countenance an equally illegitimate re-instatement though.
😉
I’m not here to rehash that. I shouldn’t have brought it up. It’s just the way my mind works sometimes. A thread on moderation…someone brings up fantasies…
I think at the time I said I had given J-Mac Author, but it may have just been New Author.
It’s interesting to see that the discussion the admins were having went nowhere after I left. Obviously I wasn’t standing in the way of it being done.
As I said back then, the ship has sailed. I might reconsider if Elizabeth ever returns.
Please go back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I’ve upped the security level* on the Captcha (only applies on registering as a new member) as number of spam registrations has escalated. Please let me know if this causes problems.
*Introduces a slight delay so bot registrations should fail but human registrations should be unaffected.
Fine. That would indeed level the playing field. Of course, other than for the 3 atheistic or agnostic, largely anti-religious & anti-theistic admins, since the only theist Mod at TSZ, Mung, has once again declined (just as did Johnny Bartlett & Vincent Torley).
They told me I was getting a promotion, and I wanted you to have one too. It’s my fault. 🙂
Mung,
Awww. That’s sweet of you, Mungie.
Can someone explain to me why does this site need to pretend it needs moderators?
Why does this site need Alan, Neil, Jock? What the fuck is their role?
Both Neil and Alan post right after these posts, so why do we need them? Why continue the lie?
Now, I could easily say all these same things back to Alan, back to Neil, or back to anyone for that matter, and within two minutes they will move them. And I wouldn’t even care, except for the fact that their whole existence here is so dishonest.
phoodoo,
I’ll be able to keep a closer eye over the next week or so at least.
I mostly nip in and out of this site now and I don’t read everything, but I have to agree with phoodoo that there is an awful lot of playing-the-man-not-the-ball going on recently. From all sides, actually.
There are dozens of personal attacks in the main threads that aren’t being moved to guano. It really degrades the site and it will put people off from visiting. Either guano more actively, or issue some (temporary) banishments as a deterrent (yes, I know, that is against the rules, but desperate times call for desperate measures, as we are currently seeing all around us).
Are you offering?
Well, as I said, I’m stuck at home for the next two weeks (though Mrs F has grand plans for gardening, healthy walks, spring cleaning, paint jobs, tidying garage, clearing junk from loft etc) so I will have more time to read comments.
Bear in mind I use this as a guide:
Things that increase vs. decrease the probability of guanoing:
1 Clearly breaks rules vs. may be interpreted as rule-breaking.
2 Guanoing requested vs. Target requests post not be guanoed
3 Author perceived to be “home” side vs. Author perceived to be “visitor”
4 Target perceived to be “visitor” vs. Target is an admin
5 Substantive content is low vs. Substantive content is high
6 Derailing active discussion vs. ancient bloody history.
I would prefer to not be needed.
In this case, you posted one of the offenses. And yes, I let it pass.
I take the view that online discussion is unavoidably going to lead to some amount of minor insults. When it gets too bad, I clamp down. But if it is minor and not disrupting discussion, I let it go.
phoodoo,
That’s all adapa is capable of doing: name calling.
He/She/Them still have not recovered from the evolutionary fiasco of how, and why, bacteria would abandon the weapon that was essential for survival to get food and decided to turn it into a propeller…
How did the bacteria get to food before modifying the syringe into a flagellum?
I gotta tell you, phoodoo, I wish I had the faith our Darwin’s faithful friends have in the miraculous powers of natural selection…😅
I just don’t know how Darwinists were able to get this kind of religion into schools?
Then, the religious beliefs of the creative powers of bolt of lightning followed…
One day, not long from now, people will look back and say: how in the hell did this happen? Who was behind this nonsense? Why the great majority of so called intelligence would accept science fiction as science? How could the tiny minority bully the great majority and make them accept ridiculous myths as scientific facts?
The end of this nonsense is inevitable…😁
I have a suggestion, since it seems our club of no pink dress Alzhes is growing:
If one of them attacks you directly, rather than the issue, just place them on ignore for a week or so…
It works very well for me…though sometimes I switch IPs and have to place the leading members of the Alzhe club on ignore on all my devices…😊
Why bother engaging those who have proven time, and time again, they only accept one conclusion, logical or not: no pink dress allowed!
Definite agreement here.
Yes to this.
I fid it fairly easy to skip over posts that start with ad hominems. And yes, it happens with all sides.
I tried using the ignore button, but it didn’t stay pushed. So I started scrolling past posts. Works every time.
Wonder why the designer did not design bacteria with the propeller from the start if it was such a good idea?
“Alzhe club” ,better put yourself on ignore again.
I am sure ID will find a new audience when that happens
I look on moderation as protecting the conversation.
There’s been waaaay too much troll-feeding around here lately, and a paucity of conversations worth protecting (notable exceptions being Tom’s and Allan’s OPs).
Fixing this situation would require a rule change or two.
The ignore button and scroll wheel work wonders in getting past any objectionable content. Like petrushka, I’m willing to take responsibility for what I do and don’t read.
The responsibility should belong with readers, not with the moderators.
An OP is awaiting moderation.
Thanks, j-mac
The responsibility is with those who post comments that break the rules.
The vast majority of members manage to write comments within the rules. It’s not difficult.
No, the responsibility for what we read belongs with the readers, not the moderators.
keiths,
That’s a choice, not a responsibility. Members are responsible for what they write. Lizzie as site owner is responsible for what is published here.
Alan,
Readers are responsible for what they choose to read.
And they are responsible for what they choose to read.