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Neil:
So we can add “too steep an intellectual challenge for Neil” to the list of reasons for rescinding the censorship scheme.
It’s because the founding and supporting fathers of evolutionary theory don’t like their life work exposed as false…They can’t even take a healthy amount of criticism without running to the moderators and crying like babies…
Harshman is not even hiding it he got me banned… I know there were 2 other crybabies because they never denied it either: tight sombrero and the earring guy that got his math brain accidentally pricked… They are the true seekers of truth, as they see it… it boggles my mind why some would insist on deceiving themselves….
Since Neil and Allan are no logger the moderators, can I have my publishing rights back?
J-Mac,
Well, Neil is still a moderator.
My strictly personal view is that there should be a higher standard for OP’s, one that you have, to date, failed to attain. But I am happy to conform to the precedents that have been set previously.
Neil’s call.
BTW posts such as this so not help your case.
Yeah… because it’s true.. and people in general, and at TSZ especially, tend to want to hear what they want to hear…
Quality of OPs? What’s that?
Just look at the last 10-20 OPs and wake up from you dream… lol
Neil is still the moderator? Forget that I asked.
I’m not planning to make any changes at present.
With J-Mac having to request publishing, it seems to me that his post are now less frequent and better thought out (which does not mean that I agree with them). I see that as an improvement.
DNA_Jock:
Oh, dear. As if Alan and Neil’s screwups were to be enshrined as “precedent”.
Neil,
Good thing you wrote the clarification in brackets or someone could accuse you of being open-minded and unbiased… 😉
No sweat Neil! TSZ is not my life. I’m not planning to stick around regularly… I’m just between 2 gigs, so I decided to post some findings I have always enjoyed researching as a hobby. I asked my kids if they were interested in debating real scientists and they looked puzzled. I guess they are going to pass. If they do the double slit experiment, I will post it here…
Perhaps DNA_Jock intends to follow the precedent set by Lizzie and just up and disappear for a few years.
Is anything ever going to happen to hold lying assholes like J-Mac to some standard of integrity and intellectualism?
All he ever does is tell lies about others, which apparently is just fine. Of course he’s too fucking stupid to do anything else, but why does that make it all right? He lies constantly, he knows fuck nothing, he’s completely beyond any kind of honest discussion at all. To be sure, one could say that of most IDiots here, but J-Mac is the most egregiously lying sack of shit here.
He’s never dealt with issues in good faith, yet we’re not supposed to call him on it. Obviously there can be no discussion with the pathetic moron, but there ought to be something that steers us toward some sort of discussion and away from his vile, lying attacks.
What is the point of putting up with someone like J-Mac, whose only mode of “discussion” is lying about the opposition? His only qualities are bad qualities, from gross dishonesty, to near-complete ignorance of science, to sheer nastiness. He’s all that he rails against, but he’s too stupid even to begin to recognize what a dumb lying shit he is.
Glen Davidson
He’s doing a pretty good job making himself look like a scientifically illiterate immature asshole right now. Why make him stop? 🙂
The trouble is that it’s all he ever does.
Anyone with a brain has long known that he’s a blustering idiot.
Glen Davidson
When Glen looks at J-Mac it’s like looking in a mirror. No wonder he’s so upset.
When Mung writes, he lies.
It’s his way of bonding with disingenuous people like J-Mac.
Just tell lies about people. It’s the ID way.
Glen Davidson
Liar liar pants on fire! How childish can it get here?
Seriously Glen, if you think all IDers are liars, why are you posting here in obvious violation of the site rules?
Can’t you find someplace that’s more in tune with your personality?
As childish as some fuckhead like Mung just blankly lying about somebody else.
So look to your childish stupidity, idiot Bung. We could discuss things, if you weren’t just a mindless name-calling shithead, like J-Mac.
Glen Davidson
First off, liar, it’s not like I actually wrote that all IDiots are liars. How stupid are you?
And how would that violate the rules anyhow? I know you violate the rules constantly and get away with it. You’re always stating or implying that those posting in good faith aren’t, so I hardly think the rules actually matter. But I’m not violating the rules to note that assholes like you just lie about the opposition.
It would be nice to find a site interested in good intellectual standards, rather than in coddling lying fuckheads like you and J-Mac.
Glen Davidson
No, it’s not like that at all.
They’re different, I think. First, Glen’s temper gets the best of him and then he spews out insults, but when he’s not angry he posts a ton of intelligent stuff. Admittedly, his fuse is short. But J-mac spews out insults whether angry or not, and he never posts anything but errant nonsense.
Also, while neither is willing to automatically give the benefit of the doubt to his adversaries. Glen responds intelligently to intelligent posts. J-mac does not: He’s civil only to his confederates. Again, with J-mac, there’s been no evidence that any respect is deserved–other than you know for being a human, etc. Certainly none has actually been earned from anything we can see here. This is different from Glen, who has earned a measure of respect from his posts as well as from his existence.
So, while neither is exactly a do-bee, I think it’s incorrect to conflate them as you have here.
No so childish that you can’t do your normal Mung pointless shit smearing troll job.
Just stupid enough. Why?
I didn’t say it was your comment that violates the rules. I said it’s your belief that it is “the ID way” to “just tell lies about people” (your words) that poses a problem for you as a contributor here, since it is rather obvious to anyone with even a modicum of honesty that you simply cannot accept that anyone representing ID here could be posting in good faith. Your comments about ID and IDers are all broad brush generalizations that lump them all together as being dishonest and disreputable.
Some actual evidence would be nice. If you feel singled out, well, think about that.
Pretty sure he has me on Ignore and only sees my comments if someone else quotes them. 🙂
Hi all,
I have to say I am dismayed by the level of bile in some of the last two days’ comments on this thread. Is there anything in life that’s worth getting that worked up about? And even if there were, aren’t there more creative and humorous ways to insult someone?
Just for starters, you could try the ones in this move script.
I hope that this comment doesn’t apply to me as I have tried to make my comments as humours as possible… It they didn’t come across as such, I sincerely apologize…
BTW: Life is too short to waste it on people whose only hope is materialistic purposelessness and who insist it remains like that by pretending they have empirical evidence that materialism is all there is…
All who understand this point should sincerely pity the unbreakable men and women of materialistic and Darwinian faith…
The only thing that’s funny here is your silly caricature of what naturalists believe.
O’RLY?
“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.
It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”- Professor Richard Lewontin
Which part of naturalists beliefs did I miss?
Indulge me!
Wait a minute. Are you suggesting a new category called “bile” where some objectionable comments would be moved to? Would that be a subcategory of Guano or a whole new category? And are you really saying there is a script that can automatically identify bile and move the comment without moderator action?
I have no problem with that the team of moderators is appallingly incompetent in hilarious ways, but could you please devise a method for internal communication so that you would not keep embarrassing yourselves out in the open.
A single typo got you there 😀
move script -> movie script
They’re humours, alright. And of a most bilious type.
Haha. I didn’t realize that’s what had riled him up so much!
A few earlier comments did that already. Moderators should talk their own procedures among themselves only, not out in the open. I am of course not a moderator, so I will try to not care. I will just keep up with mayhem as per their example.
Try reading a book for a change.
I just happen to have a copy of The Book of Bile for sale.
That’s a Bible, mung. Just has a letter missing on the front.
Books on ‘naturalism’ I recommend:
Life After Faith: The Case For Secular Humanism
A Significant Life: Human Meaning In a Silent Universe
The Really Hard Problem: Meaning in a Material World
Well, for starters, you seem to have missed the next 44 words, viz:
There’s also some preamble, that might help you capture Lewontin’s tone, such as
This seems to happen a lot…
So…you have no answer…
I know very well you don’t because it is painful when you are faced with the reality of your own beliefs. I have been there. I know. I felt it. The truth might be hard to swallow, but it is refining. At least it should be to unbiased people of course, which I hope you are.
Don’t misunderstand me! This truth refining process equally applies to theists… In case of materialists however, it is much more daunting because, unlike theists, who base their beliefs more on faith, materialists claim to base their beliefs on empirical evidence. Just read 10 of Glen Davidson’s comments, if you have doubts. He takes pride in that.
So… when materialists accept evidence that is suitable to their belief system ONLY, just as Lewontin advised, how could materialism be trusted? How could it be true? Most of all, how could it be based on science, if the only science acceptable to this belief system is the science that ONLY supports it?
Can you see a problem with this, Kantian Naturalist?
DNA_Jock,
Are you the new moderator? If yes, do your job!!!
Don’t talk to me until you fulfill your obligation…
Is making this place an entire shithole the only goal of Neil? J-Mac routinely breaks rules, nothing. Someone calls him on his lying assholery, ooh, that has to go. Because rule-breaking by lying trolls is precious here, honest discussion is entirely dispensable.
This is a place that is friendly only to lying trolls like J-Mac.
Glen Davidson
Have any of the moderators ever read the rules? I wasn’t even discussinig anything with asshole J-Mac, when he wrote this set of stupid lies:
Are the moderators smart enough to know why such lies are against the rules? Now I know the rules are fairly stupid in the main (why nothing about dishonesty?), but in this case there’s at least some good reason why this bit of gross dishonesty breaks the rules on two (albeit related) counts:
and
Now I hadn’t been bothering with this shithead, while he’d been calling me names and sniping in general. No problem for the rule-enforcers, that’s blatantly against the rules, but moderators don’t really enforce the rules when J-Mac lies about people. The moron never discusses anything, you know, so he simply came up with these egregious lies because they’re just he being the asshole he is and because no one can discuss this kind of libel. But it’s fine with Neil for J-Mac to libel me for no reason, contrary to the rules, it’s not fine with Neil for me to call it the libel that it is, while skirting the rules. Hence I responded:
Did I call that liar a “liar”? No, I didn’t, I called the lies “lies.” They are lies, which would matter to fair and just moderators. You want to say that it’s against the spirit of the rules? Fine, but why did I have to respond to a pack of passive-aggressive lies in the first place, other than that the moderators don’t care how egregiously the dishonest J-Mac breaks the rules (let alone libels, although that obvious violation of decency didn’t make the rules)? It’s pure projection, for that matter, since no one’s more closed-minded than the fuckwitted J-Mac. Trying to help? By lying?
Does it actually matter that he may be stupid enough to believe his hateful lies? No, for two reasons. One is that it’s simply against the rules in the first place. Neil doesn’t care, but I was simply blind-sided by an egregious twat who I didn’t and don’t want to deal with at all. Secondly, although related, such libel can’t be discussed. It’s not meant to be discussed, it’s just an attack on the person, and not even one based in any kind of fact, it’s just J-Mac being the lying, hateful asshole that he’s always been.
But that’s ok on this broken forum, J-Mac’s unfair and dishonest attack was left up. I broke the spirit but not letter of the rule, only in response to a truly egregious libel by this disgusting shithead who had been sniping and lying (against the rules, moderators, since that seems not to occur to you) for some time. Neil can’t be bothered to enforce the rules against a useless moron who rarely does anything except lie about others, but he can Guano my defense against an unprovoked and rule-breaking attack. To put it another way, I wouldn’t have even had to do that had anyone bothered to enforce the rules against J-Mac, who violates the rules ceaselessly.
How is one supposed to respond to sheer lies made up by the dull but malicious mind of the fuckhead J-Mac? The whole point is that no discussion is possible, it’s dishonest shit-stirring that moderators can’t be bothered with except to defend against the only honest response, that they’re just a bunch of lies.
So that’s it, I guess. J-Mac can be stupid, dishonest, libelous, and break the rules constantly, while someone who defends against libel by noting that it is libel (lies) gets slapped down. The whole point apparently being that J-Mac should shit on anyone he likes, damn the rules. His rule-breaking comment stays up, my defense against it gets shorn of context and sent to Guano.
What is the point of moderation when the rules don’t act as any kind of basis for that moderation?
Glen Davidson
I just put up an OP, and would be grateful if one of the mods could stick a hyperlink where I have put a url. Don’t really know what I’m doing. Thanks.
Glen needs a time out.
lmao
The universe is not silent. So I probably won’t be reading that one. 🙂
You need to fuck off, lying dumbass.
It’s all you ever do too, you nazi dog, you just attack people without contributing anything 90% of the time. And the incompetent moderators don’t care about your constant rule violations either.
This should be a place for discussion, not gutter snipes like J-Mac and Bung just lying about people. I have never understood why rules don’t matter for the biggest assholes around, but they almost never do.
The moderators here are beyond hopeless. Rule violations don’t matter, as these are constant with fuckwits like J-Mac and Mung, there are just certain words that set them off, not gutter sniping lies from the stupid and the evil.
Glen Davidson
If I were a moderator most posts would probably get moved to Guano. Which is probably why I am not a moderator. 🙂
Yeah, well, that’s probably not going to happen. So maybe you need to take a time out and ponder that.
No, that’s not the reason. With you as moderator there would be no posts to moderate.