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Please use this thread for alerting admins to moderation issues and for discussion or complaints arising from particular decisions.
Well played Mung. +1 beverage at the TSZ get together. 😉
Thank you, Mung. Apology accepted.
+2. I’ll add in a drink, partly because you did the decent thing and partly because I want to hear what you really think when you’re intoxicated.
Seriously, that showed class.
It’s, like, all the funnier, never having known what keiths means*,
Woodbine asks:
I don’t know of any, but perhaps the moderators do.
Drunk posting night at TSZ?
Mung,
I could get behind that.
We might need a rule that says “What gets said in the Drunk Posting Thread stays in the Drunk Posting Thread.”
lol
phoodoo writes:
Allow me to quote from the Rules:
“It is stochastic.
Things that increase vs. decrease the probability of guanoing:
1 Clearly breaks rules vs. may be interpreted as rule-breaking.
2 Guanoing requested vs. Target requests post not be guanoed
3 Author perceived to be “home” side vs. Author perceived to be “visitor”
4 Target perceived to be “visitor” vs. Target is an admin
5 Substantive content is low vs. Substantive content is high
6 Derailing active discussion vs. ancient bloody history.”
Was Rumraket’s comment in violation? Yes. Was Guano’ing requested by the person at whom the comment was directed? No. Did the comment result in derailing the discussion? No.
I could go back through the thread to find and Guano that comment, but the discussion has moved on so there’s no reason to make the effort.
Alan and Neil: Agree or disagree?
I agree. The discussion has moved on.
What a load of crap.
mung, Patrick has been busy working on the “Anybody but Hillary (who would be in jail if there were any justice in the world)” campaign. Cut him some slack.
Patrick,
Sure. On the other hand, Otelangelo sails close to spamming in a couple of copypasta comments.
What are the rules for deciding whether a comment has derailed a thread and why ought that even be a criteria?
There’s no rule per se against off-topic comments. There is a rule against spam. I happen to think long, copied, repetitive and unresponsive comments can stray into the spam category.
Even if somebody is really fond of them?? No way! X>{
Could you repeat that a few more times?
Could some admin perhaps teach Rumraket how to use the “more” option?
I thought I had already fixed that. Maybe it disappeared during some editing.
Moderators, please upload my latest post. Thanks.
phoodoo,
It needs attention. One issue is that moderation issues are raised in the moderation issues thread. Simplest is to lose the last paragraph. Title needs correcting, too.
Alan Fox,
Why does the title need correcting Alan?
I thought anyone could start a new post, but now you are censoring, based on what?
Your title is John Harshman think Nilsson Pilger’s fairytale on eye evolution is science.. The verb case ending is wrong. Also, you don’t know what John Harshman thinks. So a question mark at the end would be more accurate.
I’m asking you to remove the remarks about moderation. Moderation issues must be discussed in the appropriate thread. It’s a rule, here.
It’s also a rule that we don’t edit other people’s text except by request. So, impasse. Lose the reference to moderation (you can raise it in the appropriate thread) and I’ll publish it.
Phoodoo evidently prefers fairly tales that are at least 2000 years old.
Alan Fox,
Ok, so I took out the word moderation. So now its good to go.
If you ever start a blog, Phoodoo, ‘Bad Telepathy’ would be an appropriate name.
Alan,
You decided that you don’t think Gregory’s comments followed the rules (I think that’s very debatable, to begin with). But then so you have decided you now are going to make all of his posts go through moderation beofre you post them. And yet Rumraket has continually done the same thing you accuse Gregory of, and did so right after him, and yet you aren’t giving Rumraket the same punishment.
Is there some cognitive bias going on Alan.
And then, to top this all off, I commented on this duplicity, and before I could even ask you why, I saw MY comment was also stopped by moderation before it was even posted, and it said nothing wrong.
What is going on Alan? I know this site has a long history of being moderator challenged, but this one is more silly than usual.
It’s not a question of punishment. There is a very specific issue regarding Gregory’s comments that he is aware of and I have requested an undertaking from him that he will desist from divulging private information about other commenters. This is not the first time the issue has cropped up.
Apologies that your comments were caught in the moderation filter. You should find there is now no longer a problem.
Ok, but Gregory’s comment that you moved to guano had nothing to do with him giving anyone’s information did it?
Rumrakets seems to be able to break the rules with almost as reckless abandon as Richard, and little is done about that in my opinion.
Are you blind, phoodoo?
The private information divulged here applies to all TSZers.
If you want to discuss the comments of other commenters, you’ll need to be more specific and provide examples. It’s not possible for admins to monitor every comment. If you think a recent comment has broken the rules, let an admin know (PM me, preferably), and one of us will look into it.
Censorship? There’s no censorship here! Censored comments can be found in Guano. Therefore, there is no censorship!
The “moderators” (there are no moderators here at TSZ, only admins) have their eye on you Gregory.
As I said, there is a specific issue that Gregory is aware off and that he can resolve if he wishes.
Now everyone knows it is Lizzie who has set the bar here. The secret is out.
No wonder he is (semi) banned.
Alan Fox,
I thought I was being specific Alan. What rule did Gregory break with the post you moved, and then banned him?
It doesn’t look like a violation to me, other than he is critical of the thinking skills of the skeptics here.
phoodoo,
The issue is “outing”. I’m hoping Gregory will contact me via PM or he can discuss it with another admin if he prefers.
Alan Fox,
The issue is outing, even when he is not outing anyone?
Alan Fox,
Actually, I disagree with you here. Outing isn’t the issue, since I’ve been pretty open about my real-life identity. The issue is the personal nature of his attacks on me.
Kantian Naturalist,
I think we agree there is a problem. Not sure Gregory sees it though. I’m waiting for a response to my PM.
Alan Fox,
I think Rumraket is a problem. Are we voting?
Nope. TSZ is a benign dictatorship. If you have a legitimate complaint about a recent comment, then this is the venue for making a complaint. I would refer you to the aide-memoire for considering whether a comment should be moved to guano:
Things that increase vs. decrease the probability of guanoing:
1 Clearly breaks rules vs. may be interpreted as rule-breaking.
2 Guanoing requested vs. Target requests post not be guanoed
3 Author perceived to be “home” side vs. Author perceived to be “visitor”
4 Target perceived to be “visitor” vs. Target is an admin
5 Substantive content is low vs. Substantive content is high
6 Derailing active discussion vs. ancient bloody history.
I think number three didn’t need mentioning. Its pretty obvious.
phoodoo,
Rumraket also gets points on number 5.
Number 3 (“Author perceived to be ‘home’ side vs. Author perceived to be ‘visitor'”) actually works in favor of visitors. In order to avoid unintentional bias I tend to let more slide from IDCists and I’ve seen similar behavior from Alan and Neil.
Alan’s off the deep end, moving Moderation posts to Guano because they make him look like a fool. Nothing against the rules but getting foxed over.
Gregory,
Gregory, you have a PM.
Except there is no such rule as this Alan, you just made this up.
Are you saying that as long as a post has substance (according to you, in fact the substance could just be his same nonsense), one can call another poster a lair, a dipshit, a loser, a fucking asshole, a skeptic!, as long as its long enough and filled with other distractions?
You should know better. The camouflage is not that sophisticated.
The cognitive blind, leading the cognitive blind.
That’s a complete lie, and the record easily proves you wrong.
Remember the last time Gregory was responding to Rumrakets insults, and you moved his posts because you said it was off topic for him to respond to Rumrakets insult. Then I asked you why you didn’t remove Rumrakets insult, and your reply was, “Oh, I didn’t see it.”.
And Neither did Alan apparently. or Neil.
No phoodoo, the “aide-memoire” has been on the rules page for over ten months.
Keep pounding the table, phoodoo.
Great, glad to hear!
I think evolution is not entirely self-evident, contradictory, and self-defeating in a Cartisean-Nyaya context, particularly from a compatabilist, exhaustive viewpoint. I think the movement to unseat the relativism of dualism, is unfounded, and further unenhanced by the forces of Yugoslavian influence, which by the way, also resonates with Camus’ idea that …
…DNA Jock is such a sniveling pussy isn’t he?
Was that enough context Alan?