Guano (1)

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  1. Mike Elzinga:
    It appears that Joe G has hijacked Elizabeth’s blog.It’s typical of his behavior with the same profile. He has done this on other forums as well.

    The hypothesis has been put forward that Dr. Liddle is merely performing another psychology experiment, measuring just how deranged and psychotic Joe can get when taken off his leash.

    It does fit the available data.

  2. Thorton: The hypothesis has been put forward that Dr. Liddle is merely performing another psychology experiment, measuring just how deranged and psychotic Joe can get when taken off his leash.
    It does fit the available data.

    Yeah, that crossed my mind as well.

    And she could also be studying how others respond to him as well.

    On the other hand, internet forums can get pretty paranoid. Trolls like that.

    I would be profiling this character for his misconceptions and tactics, but I’ve seen it before with him. Besides, this thread is starting to load awfully slowly; not worth the time.

  3. olegt: There is of course another possible explanation. Namely, that the OP is not even wrong. It doesn’t contain much of an argument.

    Yup, you are one of those people who just cannot understand it, or are you just too afraid to address it?

    Don’t blame me for your issues.

  4. olegt: That’s clearly not so. Another excerpt:

    Read the paper, Joe, try to understand its contents, and then make your arguments.

    It’s clearly so, oleg.

    I read the paper. make your case, if you can. Or stuff it.

    BTW Darwinian evolution does not aply to RNA aptamers as they ain’t a living organism and cannot reproduce on their own.

  7. Rich: So now there’s a GA AND some unseen agency (itself ummune to the effect of entropy) preserving the GA. FASCINIATING! *leans forward* Tell me more! Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Watching Joe make it up as he goes along is one of the most entertaining things about reading his otherwise idiotic drivel.

  8. Rich: Doesn’t understand ‘entropy’. maybe thinks “without the garbage men, the garbage will all pile up”, or something.

    Liar

  10. Thorton: So you think Sanford’s ‘genetic entropy’ claims are completely wrong because mysterious ‘agencies’ have been continuously correcting for any degradation.

    Interesting.You should write Sanford and tell him.

    Nice strawman- did your mommy help you make that one up?

  11. Joe G:
    But anyway- is there any way to get back to the topic?

    Evotards are quick to say that I hijack threads but just look at what they have done to this one.

    We can have another thread for GAs and what ID claims and how to test the design inference.

    But we can’t do any of that if we can’t even agree on this.

    Joe, YOU are the one who first brought up and started discussing GAs.

    Now that the heat’s getting too high you want to run from the kitchen.

  12. Joe G: Nice strawman- did your mommy help you make that one up?

    No Joe, you did when you claimed your supposed “GAs in the cell” didn’t degrade over time because of the intervention of “agencies”.

    Not my fault when your mouth runs ahead of your brain.

  13. Rich:
    We could step through a GA one line at a time to help Joe get it?

    Get what- that you are incapable of grasping a simple concept?

  15. Mike Elzinga: You aren’t making an argument; you are demonstrating to us that you don’t know what a GA is.

    That is what you say- I say and know you are FoS.

    I am OK with all the definitions of GAs I provided from wikipedia- not one of them refutes anything I have said. I am OK with all the examples I have provided to support my claims.

  17. olegt: It’s safe to say that most of us are having trouble understanding what you are saying, Joe. I suspect that this is not because we are stupid but because your writing is careless. It doesn’t take much observation to see that it takes you less than a minute to read a comment an write a response. You don’t even take time to digest what your opponent is saying, let alone read some source he or she cited (and ponder it).

    If you don’t make an effort at learning, you won’t learn.

    Yes oleg I do understand that you and your ilk have comprehension issues- and it is obvious that you don’t take the time to digest anything I post, so nice projection.

    But it is nice to know that you think you know how long it takes me to digest 2-4 lines of nonsense and post a response.

  18. Joe G: And here is one for guano- Fuck you asshole

    That suggests very strongly that you have no idea on how to outline an algorithm of any kind.

    Ok, so we now know.

  19. OM: If that’s not the case then how come Ventor could “print” a living organism out that was previously stored in computer RAM? He needed nothing more then physics and chemistry and the pattern in the computer.

    Sure, you’ll just claim that it’s the “pattern” that’s the crucial part, but it’s perfectly material. It’s information instantiated in whatever form Ventor needed, stored in a physical matrix in a pattern of physical charge differences. Nothing mysterious. And everything that’s needed to create a living thing by what amounts to printing.

    So, in the Ventor example, why are his “printed” organisms not reducible to physics and chemistry? They seem to be. Nothing more is needed to make them live then that.

    Wow, just wow.

    You have no idea what Venter did. Nice way to expose your ignorance.

  22. Mike Elzinga: That suggests very strongly that you have no idea on how to outline an algorithm of any kind.

    Ok, so we now know.

    This proves that you are full of false accusations and have nothing at all to offer.

  23. olegt: Indeed, Joe, no surprise here. Still, it’s mind-boggling that you have previously linked to the Wikipedia article Genetic algorithm, declared that you are OK with the definition of it, yet you still have no idea about genetic algorithms. That’s truly amazing.

    And another evotard with a false accusation.

    Some day you may have the balls to actually support the shit you spew poleg.

  24. Thorton:
    Amazing.Joe G still can’t grasp the simple fact that a GA can’t run INSIDE the organism that is evolving.The GA needs to be EXTERNAL where it can affect the selection pressures on the organism and thus impact the direction their evolution takes.

    Umm the GA would RESPOND to the selection pressures you moron.

  25. Joe G: Some day you may have the balls to actually support the shit you spew poleg.

    I think you nailed it, Joe. You think with testicles. Try using your brain. For once.

  26. olegt: I think you nailed it, Joe. You think with testicles. Try using your brain. For once.

    YOU should try that you brainless wonder.

    Yiu are brainless and ball-less oleg

  27. olegt: Oh, brother! Selection is part of a genetic algorithm. What responds to selection pressure is the population of digital organisms. Not the GA itself. Think of GA as of simulated nature. Nature doesn’t respond to selection pressure, does it?

    Man you are dense- You think you can take the way we use GAs and apply that to living organisms- Nature would provide the stuff the GA uses to allow the population to adapt.

    The real environment would take the place of our GAs artificial environment.

    Thanks for the stupid, oleg

  28. OM: Noted: No specifics given as to why I was wrong.

    Noted- you are a moron without a clue. Look it up and figure it out OM.

    You will find he just removed the cells DNA and replaced that DNA with synthesized DNA- DNA was the ONLY part he manufactured. All the rest of the cell remained as it was.

  29. OM: “Stuff”? Care to be a bit more specific?

    The environemnt- organisms adapt to their environment- so whatever their environment was giving them- that is the stuff

    Pull your head out…

  30. olegt: I never said that. The subject of this thread is genetic algorithms. You don’t understand what a genetic algorithm is. I am trying to help you learn. And you resist.

    Shove your false accusations up your ass.

    You don’t know enough to teach me about GAs

  31. OM: And so where is this additional component that you claim must exist? Vendor did not seem to need it to create a living organism.

    And when he synthesises the “rest of the cell” that neatly disproves your entire argument. I understand that’s on his list.

    He did NOT create a living organism you mental midget. He did NOT synthesize the rest of the cell you moron.

    He synthesized DNA and inserted that into an alreadt existing cell that he removed the DNA from.

  32. OM: Ah, so DNA has been proven then to not need any mysterious additional component then other then matter and energy.

    Thanks for clarifying that.

    It needed Venter you moron.

  33. Joe G: Umm the GA would RESPOND to the selection pressures you moron.

    So the “cell internal GA” doesn’t control selection pressure, it only responds to it.

    Then what happens in the almost certain case that the ever-changing selection pressures drive the “cell internal GA” AWAY from its pre-specified ‘target’?

    How did the ‘target’ for extant cetaceans know in advance that the selection pressure would take it from being a land-dwelling animal to a fully aquatic environment?

    Your cowardly dodge on the question of how do your targeted GAs handle speciation events is noted too.

    I have to say Joe, your idea of “cell internal GAs is incredibly stupid even by your low standards.

  34. olegt: I don’t need to make my case, you are making it yourself every time you say silly things about genetic algorithms.

    IOW you have no idea if I am right or wrong but you feel the impulse to spew away.

    Got it.

  35. olegt: It’s worse than that, Joe. You are not even wrong.

    Still waiting for something more than your moronic drooling.

  36. Rich: That’s not fair. He’s asking direct, relevant questions. Don’t bluff – engage.

    I don’t care what you say Rich- and all you do is bluff and falsely accuse people.

    IOW you are sick.

  38. OM: So there are rules regarding what DNA your GA would be able to work with?

    What are they? How do you know about them?

    Hey moron- there are rules to what DNA the cell will be able to work with.

  39. Folks, we’re watching the “Joe G gigue.”

    This is pretty much all we’re going to see from him.

  40. OM: Citation please.

    Intelligent reasonig –

    ‘CSI of cake’
    ‘Meet me in the parking lot’
    ‘I’m with my boys and we know where you live’
    ‘I’m not Jim and John Paul despite getting confused which sock I’m using’
    ‘I’m a powerlifting war hero cripple GA encrypting tick feeding research scientist fridge repair man’

    etc, etc.

  41. OM: Which are?

    Get an education as obvuiously you are too stupid to be discussing biology.

    Venter had a pre-specification in hand- the DNA has to be able to code for proteins…

  42. Joe G: Well when you evotards start answering my questions I may take a look at yours.

    So you are happy to make claims and then simply ignore logical questions that follow from those claims on the basis that *your* questions have not been answered to your satisfaction?

    Standard ID tactics. No wonder the DI don’t have comments enabled!

  43. OM: So you are happy to make claims and then simply ignore logical questions that follow from those claims on the basis that *your* questions have not been answered to your satisfaction?

    Standard ID tactics. No wonder the DI don’t have comments enabled!

    Hey I have supported my claims.

    OTOH you are such a moron that you don’t understand the basics of biology.

  45. Mike Elzinga:
    Folks, we’re watching the “Joe G gigue.”

    This is pretty much all we’re going to see from him.

    And another tard chimes in…

  47. Joe G: Exactly- YOU are a fucking hypocrite!

    Wow – I post a link to Tu Quoque… and Joe accuses me of also doing it! And to think chance and necessity made that joke, because I can’t see any intelligence behind it!

  48. The guano is a result of your dog evotards.

    If you cannot see that tehn you have issues that need to be addressed.

  49. Rich: Wow – I post a link to Tu Quoque… and Joe accuses me of also doing it! And to think chance and necessity made that joke, because I can’t see any intelligence behind it!

    No Rich- you are just a hypocrite, an intellectual coward and a proven liar.

  50. Joe G: No Rich- you are just a hypocrite, an intellectual coward and a proven liar.

    More Guano time for you, Joseph. So angry, so scientifically impotent.

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