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  3. Joe G: Yes Rich, I know that both of your eyes do not point in the same direction.

    that’s because I’m looking at your chins.

  6. Strange that we went over this yesterday afternoon and just NOW RichTARD chimes in with his cowardly bullshit that everything we discussed yesterday was bullshit.

  7. Rich:
    Joe, As you believe universes more complex has been created ex nihilo for you to to believe this one couldn’t be is irreconcilable with your current views. But this system doesn’t need to the only thing in the universe, it only needs to be sufficiently far that I doesn’t know if it is or isn’t the only thing in the universe from anything else. Andlet’s be clear, your original gibberish objection was:

    “For ONE, the earth/ moon system would fall into the Sun without any counter-balance- we need that external pull to help keep us in place.
    Obviously you don’t have much of a physics background. And obviously all you have are “why” questions that 5 year olds ask.”

    Do you still stand by that?

    We already did this. I see you are still having problems with CONTEXT.

    Obvioulsy you have other issues Richie…

  8. And the bottom line is we can discover much, much more in our current universe than in Richie’s imaginary system.

  10. Joe G: LoL! You do NOT get to tell me what I believe.

    Why don’t you clarify by telling us what you believe. Oh wait, we already know you’re a YEC.

  11. Rich: Why don’t you clarify by telling us what you believe.

    You first, Captain Coward.

    Oh wait, we already know you’re a YEC.

    You also “know” that all of what we observe “just happened”.

  12. olegt: Or maybe you misunderstood what Rich said and are now accusing him of dishonesty. Step away from your computer, Joe, and look in the mirror.

    You first oleg.

    Ya see you could try to make your case but you don’t.

    To extend the idea, we’d only need one star, one planet and one moon via special creation and we could still discover loads.

    ONE star, not a universe with many stars.

    ONE planet, not a universe with many planets

    ONE moon, not a universe with many moons.

  14. Rich:
    I believe that universe is 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years and came about by what is commonly called ‘the big bang’. I don’t know if the big bang was directed in any way but I don’t see any reason why it has to be.

    Okay, your turn.

    I believe the universe was designed and it could be roughly 14 billion years old- or appear that way if designed using relativity.

  15. Joe G: I understand it better than you. That much is obvius.

    Driveby non-response and obviously wrong. Now you were going to tell us how old the universe is?

  16. Rich: Driveby non-response and obviously wrong.

    I can prove it Rich- OTOH you are still Captain Coward as evidenced by your statement about the universe.

  17. olegt: No. You don’t. That mumbo jumbo about planets falling into stars was quite silly.

    LoL! Nice try moron. The mumbo-jumbo imaginary physics pertains to Richie and his universe with one star and one planet/ moon system and again with that system in this universe but very isolated from everything else.

    So go pound sand because you still cannot grasp the CONTEXT in which I made my statement.

  18. OMTWO: So how do mutations become fixed in Joeworld?

    Non-sequitur from the OMtard.

    Rich has no idea what it means to become fixed. Try to follow along.

  19. OMTWO: What does “designed using relativity” even mean? Please detail how something can look old but in fact be much younger? Or will your answer to that simply be “it was designed using relativity” in the same way that you claim that biology was designed via design, as design is a mechanism?

    And presumably it is your opinion that the entire universe was designed for humanities benefit? Yes/No?

    Hi OM-

    Nice try- unfortunately the way to the design inference is THROUGH your position. And that means you had your chance and struck out, badly, many, many times.

    And I have no intention of engaging your belligerence- unless of course you would care to meet and just get it over with- That’s right you are safe hiding in your mommy’s basement.

  20. Joe G: Non-sequitur from the OMtard.

    No, in fact it was directly responsive to your point.

    You said

    You don’t understand that for a mutation to become fixed means the entire population has to have it.

    What do you understand “fixed” to actually mean Joe?

  21. Joe G: Nice try- unfortunately the way to the design inference is THROUGH your position. And that means you had your chance and struck out, badly, many, many times.

    The evidence seems to point to a different conclusion.

    Joe G: And I have no intention of engaging your belligerence- unless of course you would care to meet and just get it over with- That’s right you are safe hiding in your mommy’s basement.

    I’m happy to meet up with you Joe. Where and when?

  22. Joe G: Rich has no idea what it means to become fixed. Try to follow along.

    Then it falls upon you as a good Christian to educate those less fortunate then you.

    So, a mutation happens in a single member of a population. Over to you Joe, what happens then?

  23. OMTWO: No, in fact it was directly responsive to your point.

    Only if you cannot comprehend what I said- and obviously you cannot.

    What do you understand “fixed” to actually mean Joe?

    I said it in that sentence you quoted. As I said you are nothing but a belligerent moron.

  24. OMTWO: The evidence seems to point to a different conclusion.

    Nope, the evidence points to design, intelligent design. There is no way to test the claim of “it just happened”.

    I’m happy to meet up with you Joe. Where and when?

    When will you be coming to the States?

  25. Joe G: Only if you cannot comprehend what I said- and obviously you cannot.

    You say that but you never actually seem to explain why it was not responsive, only that it was not.

    Interesting…

    Joe G: I said it in that sentence you quoted. As I said you are nothing but a belligerent moron.

    So if all members of a population have a mutation except one single member of that population, that mutation is not fixed ? Is that a correct statement in Joeworld?

  26. OMTWO: Then it falls upon you as a good Christian to educate those less fortunate then you.

    Except I am not a christian. Nice try though but your ignorance is showing, again.

  27. OMTWO: You say that but you never actually seem to explain why it was not responsive, only that it was not.

    Interesting…

    So if all members of a population have a mutation except one single member of that population, that mutation is not fixed ? Is that a correct statement in Joeworld?

    fixation
    Once the frequency of the allele is at 100%, i.e. being the only gene variant present in any member, it is said to be “fixed” in the population.

  28. Joe G: When will you be coming to the States?

    I’ll be in New York next week, then I’m free for a couple of days.

    Where would you like to meet up?

  30. OMTWO: Yet only you and a few dozen other people are convinced. Yet 200 years ago almost everybody was on your side. Seems something changed in the meanwhile….

    Unfortunately for you the design inference in the majority PoV- by far. And materialism still doesn’t have any positive evidence.

  31. Joe G: fixation
    Once the frequency of the allele is at 100%, i.e. being the only gene variant present in any member, it is said to be “fixed” in the population.

    Not so hard was it? So now Rich knows what you mean by that because you’ve defined how you are using the word.

    So, in Joeworld, how do mutations become fixed in a population? Intelligent fixation?

  32. Joe G: Unfortunately for you the design inference in the majority PoV- by far. And materialism still doesn’t have any positive evidence.

    Stephen Hawking recently wrote a book about his (scientific) opinion as to where the universe originated from.

    Your book on the other hand has not been updated in several hundred years. And it’s still the most scientific explanation you can offer.

    And if the best you and the people like you have is “materialism still doesn’t have any positive evidence” then neither does ID and it’s stalemate. Which is acceptable.

  33. OMTWO: Not so hard was it? So now Rich knows what you mean by that because you’ve defined how you are using the word.

    So, in Joeworld, how do mutations become fixed in a population? Intelligent fixation?

    Again all you have to do is step up and support your position. Apparently you are too much of a coward to even try.

  34. OMTWO: I’ll be in New York next week, then I’m free for a couple of days.

    Where would you like to meet up?

    Please come to Boston for one of those days.

  35. Joe seems desperate not to talk about:

    1. How old he thinks the universe is

    2. ““For ONE, the earth/ moon system would fall into the Sun without any counter-balance- we need that external pull to help keep us in place.
    Obviously you don’t have much of a physics background. And obviously all you have are “why” questions that 5 year olds ask.”

    And yet he accuses others of being cowards. Amazing!

  36. Joe G: I corresponded with Luke but that does not make me a christian.

    It’s an inference to best explanation.

    That site says

    Joe Gallien has been interested in the Creation versus evolution debate for many years and has taken part in various web forums on this subject. Joe Gallien has contributed to this site with helpful comments and by responding to some comments posted to the site

    So as you presumably were not supporting evolution in the “Creation versus evolution” aspect, you must have been supported the “Creation” version.

    And more evidence for your Creationist (and there is no such thing as a non-theistic creationist) leanings come from your days as “John Paul” where you explicit note that you are actually a creationist.

    More here at TWT’s site.

    http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/joe-g-muslim-young-earth-creationist.html

    So, Joe, I don’t think god is going to be very happy with you that you denied believing in it to this heathen.

  37. Rich:
    Joe seems desperate not to talk about:

    1. How old he thinks the universe is

    I gave you my answer. Don’t blame because you are too stupid to understand it.

    2. ““For ONE, the earth/ moon system would fall into the Sun without any counter-balance- we need that external pull to help keep us in place.
    Obviously you don’t have much of a physics background. And obviously all you have are “why” questions that 5 year olds ask.”

    Again, YOU were the one who pulled a totally imagined system out of your ass

    And yet he accuses others of being cowards.

    The evidence supports my claim.

  38. Joe G: His opinion wasn’t scientific.

    More scientific then the bible, your “explanation

    Joe G: I don’t have such a book. However “The Privileged Planet” contains more science than Hawkings’ book.

    How would you know if you’ve not read Stephen’s book?

    Joe G: If only we could tell that to all the students. But the cowardly evoTARDs won’t let that happen because they know there is evidence for ID and none for materialism.

    They get told every sunday. And yet the majority lose their faith once they get exposed to other viewpoints at university etc.

  42. Joe G: You are a proven liar- that is the just the fact of the matter.

    Excuse me?

    Ok, I can make it to Boston between the 19 and 26 of this month, beyond that I’m not in the USA again until the start of June.

    So can you make any of those days? If so, where would you like to meet?

    If not, what date can you make?

  43. Joe G: Robin, read Dembski’s “The Design Inference” His explanatory filter supports what I said.

    Hmmm…Dembski seems to disagree:

    “Increasingly, people with any sense of religious sensibilities believe there’s an underlying purpose to the world,” Dembski, an evangelical Protestant, says. “Intelligent design is the only view opposed to the reductionist materialism that prevails in the academy and in the scientific view the elites of the culture. Most of the unwashed masses, and I count myself among them, believe there’s a sense of purpose. We’re giving a voice to those people, saying: ‘The science backs you up.'”
    – William Demski, 2005 from:
    Pike, D (February 24, 2005). “Evolution Revolution”. Las Vegas City Life.

    “The real significance of intelligent design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.”
    – William Dembski, 2007 from:
    http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=19115

    ID is part of God’s general revelation. Consequently, it can be understood apart from the Bible. That’s why, for instance, the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies invited me to lecture on intelligent design and warmly embraced my message (this happened in October 2003). Just about anyone who is not wedded to a pure materialism agrees that some sort of design or purpose underlies nature. Intelligent design not only gives a voice to these people, but also gives them the tools to dismantle materialism.
    – William Dembski, 2005 from:
    http://www.designinference.com/documents/2005.02.Reply_to_Henry_Morris.htm

    So according to Dembski, the design inference is quite independent of materialism and, according to Dembski, would exist quite fine without it. Care to try again?

  44. Rich: could you repeat your answer please. I’m curious how old you think the earth is. If your answer isn’t a number or a range, then you’re obviously not ready to discuss scientific things as you can use the evidence to support an opinion.

    LoL! YOU can’t even produce a testable hypothesis for your Captain Coward position. You have no idea what science is.

  45. Joe G: LoL! YOU can’t even produce a testable hypothesis for your Captain Coward position. You have no idea what science is.

    “LoL! I’m a boilerplate Joe response!”

    Don’t change the subject. Man up. You’re very opinionated for a man with none.

  46. Rich: “LoL! I’m a boilerplate Joe response!”

    Don’t change the subject. Man up. You’re very opinionated for a man with none.

    Lol! Captain Coward tells me to “man up”.

    You are a very belligerent person with no clue.

  47. Joe G: Lol! Captain Coward tells me to “man up”.You are a very belligerent person with no clue.

    You said “you first”, so I did. Then you didn’t. Evidence shows us what is and isn’t cowardly Joe. Joe are.

  48. Rich: You said “you first”, so I did. Then you didn’t. Evidence shows us what is and isn’t cowardly Joe. Joe are.

    LoL! You drooled something about the big bang and made an unsupported claim.

    My response was at least equal to yours.

  49. Joe G: You are a liar and cannot be trusted with anything you say. I do not believe you will be in the USA next week and I sure will not go running around looking for some anonymous wanker who won’t be any where near where I am looking?

    Er, Joe, it was you who suggested we meet! I’m simply taking you up on that suggestion.

    Remember, you said:

    Joe G

    And I have no intention of engaging your belligerence- unless of course you would care to meet and just get it over with- That’s right you are safe hiding in your mommy’s basement.

    I said I’m happy to meet and said where and when.

    Joe G: When will you be coming to the States?

    Next week?

    Joe G: Please come to Boston for one of those days.

    Ok, sure. When?

    Joe G: What day can you get to Boston?

    Any day, what day is good?

    Joe G: You are a proven liar- that is the just the fact of the matter.

    Huh? Ok, I can make it to Boston between the 19 and 26 of this month, beyond that I’m not in the USA again until the start of June.

    Joe G: You are a liar and cannot be trusted with anything you say. I do not believe you will be in the USA next week and I sure will not go running around looking for some anonymous wanker who won’t be any where near where I am looking?

    Scared I’d pull out a clown mask are you Mr Dubble Chin?

    You are all foreplay Joe. When it gets to the action, no so much man there. Yeah, yeah, it was a thick sweatshirt and it was cold. I know.

    So, Joe, perhaps I can meet you at the next ID for kidz night you run at your local school, “Imaginary High”?

  50. Joe G: OM I get it- you are a moron.

    Nothing on the site says I am a christian. Nothing on that site implies I am a christian.

    Nothing on the other site says I am a young earth creationist- and “John Paul” was several people, not just me.

    Yep, the “several people” who are in your muslim creationist schizophrenic head.

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