Guano

Comments that seem to me to be in violation of the game rules will be moved here, and closed to further comment.  Do not regard having your post moved here as a reprimand, merely as a referee’s whistle. :)

Feel free to comment on them at any other peanut gallery of your choice.

932 thoughts on “Guano

  1. @ Gregory

    You mean ‘naturalistic,’ ‘materialistic’ or ‘physicalistic’ origin-of-life theories instead, don’t you? That’s what ‘reality-based’ means to you and most others here at TSZ.

    Alan Fox’s atheism demonstrated as moderator at TSZ. That’s what this place has sadly come to be about.

    Just for the record, it wasn’t me who moved your comment to guano. Where your posts let you down is you keep assuming what others are thinking rather than asking them.

  2. petrushka:
    I simply don’t believe William. If his wife gets appendicitis or a toothache, she will be taken to a modern medical practitioner.

    William’s faith healing is only relevant when the doctors have given up.

    Looks like gauno to me.

  3. What you and everyone else here demands is that category B be examined in the same way, with the same assumptions and mental framework as that which works for category A.

    No, I asked for another method to reliably determine that “category B” exists. You just repeated your appalling belief in junk that can’t be reliably studied, as if that were in question.

    Why don’t you just admit that you have nothing but your bias to commend your tripe?

    Glen Davidson

  4. keiths,

    Keith, was this comment intended to illustrate my point?

    Calm down, Walt, for both of our sakes. I would much rather debate someone who is at his intellectual best.

    Please edit this out or I’ll have to move the comment.

    ETA

    In response to Keith’s comment immediately below, you are assuming Walto is upset and that it is affecting his judgement. It’s unnecessary and provocative. It’s directed at the commenter not the comment.

  5. OK, Alan, but I don’t see how asking someone to calm down is against the rules.

  6. Walt,

    Anyhow, eloquent and clever as Hitchens was, I’m with Holmes on this matter (or at least await something better than the mention of a few Yiddish speaking socialists to convince me.

    Yeah, who cares about a few Yiddish-speaking socialists? As long as I myself can freely criticize the government, who cares if a few Yids get jailed for protesting the draft? They’re Yiddish-speaking, and socialists, and their liberties aren’t important the way mine are.

    Jesus, Walt.

  7. Yeah, that’s what I meant, obviously.

    This is why it’s stupid to interact with you. You’re a shmuck, pure and simple.

  8. And ridiculous accusations of keiths(hmendric’s) kind are exactly the kind of shit that should be pulled, and for which posters should be disciplined. It’s hurtful and he’s an annoying dildo that spends most of his time here baiting people.

  9. Moderators,

    Please don’t move Walt’s two comments above to Guano. Yes, they’re clearly in violation of the rules, but no one needs to be protected from them.

    ETA: It looks like I was too late. Here’s a link to the Guano’ed comments.

    ETA2: Also, I’d like to hear an explanation of why my comment was Guano’ed.

  10. But, of course, the world is a better place for these kinds of interchanges, as Hitchens eloquently points out.

  11. keiths,

    keiths,

    Right. As I’ve said here a couple of times, getting called names like shmuck or crazy aren’t actually hurtful. Other stuff is, though. Besides, (i) you’re anonymous, and (ii) I’m guessing you’re aware of these traits of yours. So what the hell? Make a ruckus, get a thrill, who gives a shit.

  12. Thanks for that link. But no links are needed for pointers to keiths’ sophomoric know-it-allisms: you can pretty much pick any thread and any comment of his at random. He’s full of shit pretty much everywhere you look.

  13. “….than on the issue supposedly being discussed.”

    But just what IS the issue being discussed? You were discussing my character, and I’m discussing your character.

  14. There is nothing of any intellectual worth here. I think you’re a sophomoric nudnik who likes to bait people. You think I hate “Yids.” My view is correct, yours is ridiiculous, but so what? It’s my view the whole confab is useless fighting, Drivel. The theory of this site is that “it’s all good.” Moderators move stuff they don’t like–like “Calm down, Walt” and leave other stuff, because, as I’ve said, it’s impossible to set forth rules against being obno. So if no one is thrown out, one of us will leave. And you will be able continue to tell people just how much smarter you are than Alvin Plantinga (which I know is very important to you) without me calling bullshit on your bogus “arguments.” So, congrats.

  15. keiths: ETA2: Also, I’d like to hear an explanation of why my comment was Guano’ed.

    I moved that, and the others. I’ll shortly move some more. It should be obvious why I moved those.

    I have (I think) removed the ability of keiths and walt to post. I’ll revisit that tomorrow. Consider it a 24 hour cooling off period.

    [I moved this to Guano, too, since it is a reply to a message in Guano.]

  16. “What does that have to do with our dispute? You told us that you’re “with Holmes on this matter”, and that you need something “better” than the false imprisonment of “a few Yiddish speaking socialists” to make you reconsider.”

    Yeah, right, dickhead, I wrote that I need something “better” than the false imprisonment of a few “Yiddish speaking socialists” to make me reconsider. Excellent use of selective quotation. Go “fuck” yourself.

  17. And, I remind you, what our dispute is actually about is our respective characters. I say that you’re an arrogant asshole, and you say that I’m disrespectful of “Yids.” I invite everyone here to judge for themselves on this terribly important matter which illustrates the extreme importance of Hitchens’ “argument” regarding the horror of prohibiting people from yelling “fire” in crowded theaters where there is no fire. My “counterargument” (I know you love those) is that you are a sophomoric asshole with no real interest in much except baiting people with whom you disagree because you enjoy this kind of thing.

  18. Neil, what you did was eminently sensible. I would have continued to point out keith’s stupidity and dickishness for another half-hour to no one’s benefit except my own. As to your suggestion that we continue this via email, I think that’s also very sensible, and I’d be happy to do that if I had keiths’ email address. He, however, enjoys making a public dick of himself, so I’m guessing (and his re-baiting above confirms this) that he’d much prefer to continue here.

  19. keiths:
    hotshoe,

    You didn’t answer my question,which was:

    You seem to be arguing that it is somehow illogical for Hitchens to warn about the unintended consequences of censorship laws, but you never explained why. Could you elaborate?

    How does Hitchens’ warning amount to “Christopher’s brand of illogic”?

    Sorry, boyo, your questions are as boring as Christopher was.

    IF you’d like, do feel free to be more interesting.

  20. Condensed version of my exchange with hotshoe:

    hotshoe:

    What a terrible speech. Hitchens was so illogical.

    keiths:

    Really? How was he being illogical?

    hotshoe:

    What a boring question.

    Well, that was persuasive. You could’ve taught Hitchens a thing or two about rhetoric, couldn’t you, hotshoe?

  21. keiths: Condensed version of my exchange with hotshoe:

    hotshoe:

    What a terrible speech. Hitchens was so illogical.

    keiths:

    Really? How was he being illogical?

    hotshoe:

    What a boring question.

    Well, that was persuasive. You could’ve taught Hitchens a thing or two about rhetoric, couldn’t you, hotshoe?

    Heh, exactly the response I (privately) predicted from you.

    Can’t you at least try to be a little interesting in the future?

  22. Patrick, to walto:

    I suggest you take responsibility for your own experience here.

    Yes, it’s really all about taking responsibility.

    Hotshoe sneers at “Christopher’s brand of illogic”, which is fine. But when she’s asked to take responsibility and support her statement, she suddenly finds the question too “boring” to answer.

    It’s a shame that it’s so boring to take responsiblility for your statements, isn’t it, hotshoe?

    Neil volunteers for the role of moderator, oversteps his authority, and is called on it. Yet there is not a word of explanation from him for why he felt free to invent a new rule instead of sticking to Lizzie’s. No word from him on whether he still feels he was right to do so, or whether he now recognizes that he was wrong and will refrain from inventing new rules in the future. And still no explanation from him of why he Guano’ed my two comments, whether he still thinks that was the right decision, and why; or if not, whether and when he will rectify it.

    Like hotshoe, Neil is refusing to take responsibility.

    And walto, of course, throws out accusations without taking responsibility for them, as I just demonstrated. And though he claims I am wrong about Plantinga, he refuses to say why. Like hotshoe, he enjoys tossing out criticisms without taking responsibility for backing them up. Perhaps he is as bored by this sort of responsibility as she is.

    The three of you are responsible for what you write (and in Neil’s case, do) here, just like the rest of us. If we accept responsibility for our statements and actions, why won’t you?

  23. keiths:
    [snipped expansive tedium]… refusing to take responsibility … [snipped expansive tedium]

    GUANO.
    I see this whole comment of yours is guano.

    If you are not getting replies which satisfy your demands, that still does not give you warrant for breaking the very first rule of this site:
    Assume all other posters are posting in good faith.

  24. No sign of William for a couple of days.

    I wonder if he has become “satisfied with the debate” and left with his tail tucked satisfyingly between his legs.

  25. keiths: This entire discussion wouldn’t have happened if Alan had simply left it up to William to decide whether he wanted to complain.

    Bollocks!

  26. “Evolution scores again.”

    That could be the idiotic title of this Blog by Elizabeth Liddle, yes. She’ll come back eventually of course, not as busy as many others who are more philosophy competent and engaged than she is.

  27. Steve,

    Lol, the anonymous poster known here as ‘keiths’ appears to be incorrigibly obtuse and dispiriting (thinking that loud and repetitive equates with right). It’s proud, posturing and arrogant obtuse and materialistic, granted. But it sure doesn’t seem to be what Elizabeth Liddle had in mind calling this site TSZ, as quasi-Buddhist as she is.

  28. Whatever happened to Elizabeth Liddle? She was hot!

    I suspect that she has been distracted by the real world.

    How unfortunate a loss for us all.

    (She was hot! Did I say that?!)

  29. Rock:
    Whatever happened to Elizabeth Liddle? She was hot!

    I suspect that she has been distracted by the real world.

    How unfortunate a loss for us all.

    (She was hot! Did I say that?!)

    Jesus fuck, Rock. Are you an ignorant sexist pig or are you a deliberate sexist pig?

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