…the noyau, an animal society held together by mutual animosity rather than co-operation
Robert Ardrey, The Territorial Imperative.
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"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken."
Prothero thinks that marsupials were a separate created kind represented on the ark and wonders why they and not the other non-marsupial kinds went to Australia.
Sheer dumb luck appears to be an answer he is unwilling to accept in this particular case.
Mung,
That Sheer Dumb Luck…she can create great things…including great confusion among the many…she is the worst…
Mung,
I’m willing to bet a large slice of Christmas cake that he doesn’t think that at all.
Goodness me! If I weren’t full of the Christmas spirit, I’d be uncharitable.
The quote is from chapter four The Evolution of Evolution which discusses the history of ideas about life’s diversity. Prothero is noting that the odd (unless you consider evolution as an explanation) distribution of marsupials which does not match a dispersal from Mount Ararat and was already raising questions in the late eighteenth century following the Europeans’ rediscovery of Australia and its fauna.
ETA
PS Merry Christmas everybody!
Safe bet!
Alan Fox,
Good job – already ate it!
That’s exactly what I said.
Making sure that phoodoo, Mung, and Chava (probably other creationists too) received my Christmas gift:
Christmas gift
Have a great time!
Sal is not mexican, he’s of filipino descent. Just saying
dazz,
I wasn’t thinking Mexican, but still thanks. Good to know.
Entropy,
Your racist slurs and name calling are duly noted.
Fat shaming does not seem much different.
Except for the all important bit in parenthesis. Evolution explains why the fossils under the feet of modern organisms bear a striking relation and distribution to those same organisms. A curious sorting artefact to match the stratigraphic one, if one is naive enough to think The Flood a factual account.
What racist slurs? What name calling? Chava is the friendly nickname for Salvador in all of Latin America and Spain. Maybe even wherever you’re from. I’m Latin American myself. If you think that a Latin American/Spanish nickname is a racist slur, or name calling, who’s being racist? What exactly are you thinking Salvador? (Not Chava anymore, you don’t deserve an affectionate term.)
Entropy,
Sal is the biggest racist on this site.
I think its some kind of weird deflecting mechanism, because he doesn’t like his own identity.
I think its what he likes about Trump. He is like Ben Carson and Amarossa.
Discussion of ethnicity to my face is a rather rude racist comment, especially when you insinuate that it causes me to be illiterate and that I don’t agree with you.
That’s hardly affectionate description of me mung and phoodoo, you racist slur maker.
I didn’t even bother to click on his link, lol. When all someone has to give is B.S. You can expect B.S. for your Christmas gift. 🙂
Hispanic lives matter, Entropy, you racist slur maker.
I asked my kids regarding the Ark and plants issue mentioned in your quote:
It took them 2 seconds to give the answer and 30 seconds to find this:
Gen 7: 21-23
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All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind;
22
of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.
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Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark”
No mentioning of plants being blotted out or the need of taking them on to the Ark.
Many animals, like Harshman’s crocs, could have easily stay out, floating in the water maybe even being in the state of some sort of hibernation including many of those in the ark…
ETA: My kids think that many animals, like birds and others could have been taken on to the ark in the form of eggs…
Or this:
“Biblical:Chava is the Hebrew name of Eve, the first woman God created. Gender:Female. Origin:Hebrew.”
Why do people hate?
Is it because you expose their beliefs as false and you don’t tell them what they want to hear?
J-Mac,
I had a chava mocha latte just this morning.
It was really dark and bitter unfortunately.
I’m not so sure phoodoo…Why do you say that?
Are you perhaps mistaking Sal’s insecurities about his race as racism?
BTW: I hate the word race because we are ALL of the same race-the human race…I don’t care what Darwinists claim!
J-Mac,
Sal has plenty to say about Blacks and welfare and black lives matter, and fat people and poor people, and who knows…
He doesn’t engender a lot of sympathy frankly.
But I agree, who cares what anyone looks like. Sal does apparently though. Its one of his favorite topics.
The issues of “race”, nationality and so on are deliberately overblown by the propaganda machines…It is one of the easiest ways of dividing and controlling people… Look what Hitler did…Him and Goebbels used the so called superiority of the Aryan race first to unite the German nation and then to divided against the minorities… Sal could be a product of more or less the same thing…being raised in US…I was shocked when I found what the segregation of “races’ still exist in so many countries…I though the South Africa was one of the very few…
Then there must have been Darwinists in Alabama and Mississippi even before there was a Darwin
J-Mac,
Doesn’t even touch the actual question of biogeography and correlation with fossils. And plants aren’t living things?
Tell your kids: the Ark is an embarrassment to thinking Christians. Or thinking anyone.
You sound like a SJW
Allan Miller,
🙂
No it isn’t. What you wrote was the following:
Which bears no relation to what Donald Prothero wrote in chapter four of Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters. He was recounting history. As Allan Miller points out, evolution has a better explanation for the observed facts than an ark.
It touches on some aspects you quoted…
The fossils are a matter of interpretation… If one day we have the evidence that the universe and the earth, are not as old as we think they are, the age of the fossils and the whole narrative around them will have to change.. Evolution will have to speed up and so on…
My kids have minds of their own…They don’t need to be told what to think…They certainly don’t admit that there is on shred of evidence for their beliefs and move on… like you did regarding the origins of life…Would you like to tell them something about that? They would like to know how you can live with yourself…Any pointers?
Sure. And to the unbiased eye, the consilient evidence forms a pattern. A nested hierarchy.
But today is not that day. Though I’m encouraged that you consider that new evidence contradicting the current consensus age for the Earth would be needed before we need to change the consensus.
As do we all!
Though I hope they get the opportunity to look at all the information available about this Universe we inhabit and develop the skills to choose among competing ideas.
How old are your kids?
He was making things up. He was making an argument. He was claiming the Ark was ludicrous. To that end he asked a question, “Why had nothing but marsupials migrated from Mt. Ararat to Austrailia?”
I gave the answer. Sheer dumb luck. That undercuts his claim that the the pattern in some was is non-biblical.
Then I was mocking evolutionists like Prothero who accept the sheer dumb luck explanation on a regular basis without so much as blinking an eye. They are hardly being objective.
Alan Fox,
Allan,
1. What assumption is the age of the universe based on? I couldn’t careless what the consensus is… The age of the earth could be billions or millions or tens of thousands of years… If general theory of relativity is off, as it appears to be, everything changes…
2. Nested hierarchy? Do make me laugh! Do yourself a favor and learn something about duons… with an open mind… You won’t. I know….
3. My kids are old enough to make a mockery of the many legends here as they have many times… with or without my knowledge… (12 and 14)
4. Your statement right before you took away my publishing privileges; “So what that there is on evidence for abiogenesis…” something like that had a great impact on my kids… So, I take this opportunity to thank you for being so honest publicly.. If you could be just as honest to yourself… Nuh…
Mung,
Are you saying that Alan quote-minded a quote-mind?
So there is dumb luck in design as well, imagine that.
Stop it Salvador. You know I call many people here illiterates, and it has nothing to do with ethnicity. Mention of your background was due to someone suggesting I was mistaking you for Mexican. That’s all there is to it.
Why do you insist on portraying yourself as an illiterate? Do you not understand that I cannot have the slightest idea what phoodoo’s or Mung’s backgrounds might be?
I was not referring to “illiterate” as a term of affection, I was referring to “Chava.” Did you catch that now? I have several friends I call Chava, and, whether or not I might call you something else, it has nothing to do with your country of origin or of residence, but with your insistence on failing to read for comprehension, as you exemplified quite well in your thoughtless answer.
Stop it already. You’re just ridiculing yourself.
kids! Do your homework!
I told you already that I am Latin American myself. Can you read at all? Are you still surprised that I call you an illiterate?
Really. Just stop it.
Yeah, like learning the correct term is “quote-mine”
and no, J-Tard, if it’s someone else’s quote it doesn’t become “quote-hers”
J-Mac,
May I dare to ask why you talk about “duons,” and overlapping whatever, so insistently? It doesn’t strike me as either biblical, or anti-evolutionary at all. Just some guy who didn’t know that we have known of nucleotide sequences with more than one overlapping function for many years already. Plenty of overlapping genes in viruses, specially phage, and plenty of overlapping coding sequences with other kinds of sequences, like promoters or ribosome binding sites in bacteria. We have known since the 1970s, if not before. So, what’s your fascination with them?
J-Mac:
Good for them. That means they doubt the accuracy of the biblical account, which states otherwise.
That’s an important first step. Let’s hope that they continue on that skeptical path so that they don’t end up like their father.
He was referring to the Wallace Line. People, at least Alfred Wallace, were asking this in 1859. The evolutionary explanation is summarized in the Wikipedia article I’ve linked to.
That’s not an answer, though. “I can’t explain it” would have been better. I find the evolutionary explanation, including geographical isolation, plausible.
By claiming
It’s blindingly obvious that Prothero thinks no such thing. If it was meant as mockery, you could have included a clue.
I guess it’s because they are hard evidence of design, to J-Mac, as they could not possibly have occurred any other way, to J-Mac.
So you think I was claiming that Prothero is a Young Earth Creationist?
Lulz
Doubt it, given making claims requires getting off that fence.
motd
I’ve been following the exchange between kairosfocus and Bob O’H at Uncommon Descent. Kairosfocus’ reaction to the hashtags is just mind-boggling.
There’s something wrong with his brain.
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